Kimbo's Ranking

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POLL: Could Kimbo be considered a top 10 HW as long as he is in Elite
Yes 10% (6)
No 55% (33)
After 5 straight 1st round KOs, yea 22% (13)
I hate Don King 3% (2)
I hope Kimbo fights Don King next 10% (6)
Pitbull09
2/17/08 1:04:12AM
First off, I apoligize for making a Kimbo topic since there are already 3-4 on right now but I thought this should be brought up.
With many people saying Kimbo is unstoppable or a world class fight, I have to ask "does anyone see Kimbo breaking the top 10 HW's while staying in Elite?"
I understand he may be good but I really cant see him being considered one of the best until he goes against a fighter in UFC and/or M-1. Tank Abbott imo really didnt help him either than just showing he is a better brawler which I expected.

So give me your opinion.
bullettdodger
2/17/08 1:07:25AM
He needs to move up to the UFC if he wants to be considered top ten in my opinion
npayant
2/17/08 1:08:36AM
I voted "no"

But I would have voted for an option like:

"Yes, after he beats a few top contenders"
KeNn
2/17/08 2:17:28AM
lol if you read my posts I'm a huge Kimbo fan.

I didn't however vote yes, BECAUSE he is fighting cans.

I say throw him a bone, and see if he'll take it for what it's worth.

I say if he ever goes to the UFC Sylvia, this may be a couple years and might have his purple belt in jj if he trains, so I think it would be a entertaining fight if him and sylvia banged it out. Chances are Tim would get dropped, so he'd have another game plan he's a fairly smart fighter...As he should be lol.
cmill21
2/17/08 2:45:55AM
I think he's a big strong guy, I'd like to see him and Ricco and then him and Bigfoot, I don't think you need to be in the UFC to be a top 10, and I think there are just as many(if not more) great HW's outstide the UFC as their are inside.
hails
2/17/08 4:36:52AM
I voted no.

There is not enough depth in EXC.

How many fights does he have left on his contract in EXC?

He needs to move on asap considering he is 34.

Time is against him!!

Holler.
Jackelope
2/17/08 5:41:55AM
If he were to run through Ricco and Bigfoot in 1st or 2nd round finishes with the fight actually hitting the ground and being pushed against the fence for a few minutes I would say he could eek into #10 on the top 10. That's provided within those 1st or 2nd rounds he shows some solid takedown defense, takes a good shot and shrugs it off, and shows a halfway decent ground game. Mostly this is due to the fact that IMO the HW world is so screwed up right now that you've got no other choice.

Let's face it, it's screwed up- some people are ranking Kongo in the top 10.

Mastodon2
2/17/08 7:12:02AM
If he beat Ricco and Bigfoot then he deserves a top 10 spot. That said, the way things are going with the UFC HW division at the moment, being in the UFC won't be the whole game when it comes to being a top 10 HW anymore.
fullerene
2/17/08 7:17:49AM
Echoing what others have said, the genral rule is that to be in the top 10 you have to beat someone else who's in the top 10 or at least a few guys in the top 20. They have one guy (Silva) who is borderline top 10 (makes it IMO) and they seem to be signing guys like Ricco (who impressed) and Thompson (who didn't) who are also name fighters. If he runs through Silva and some others he'd probably be a top 10 fighter. But by the time he's ready to do so he'll either have been exposed or have come to the end of his contract. Not many guys make it to the top 10 in 5-6 fights.
dstlvb
2/17/08 9:33:24AM
they need to match him against they guy that Thompson fought his name escapes me right know. Looks to be a good fight.
Taylor8766
2/17/08 10:51:10AM
I voted no, because right now he's not fighting anyone even cose to top 20 HW's, I personally think that his next fight is going to be with Ricco, beccause Ricco has said some stuff about Kimbo and I would love to see Ricco destroy him.
warglory
2/17/08 11:18:13AM
*sigh* If there's one thing I dislike about the MMA community is its insufferable ability to jump onto a bandwagon WAY too easily. Kimbo doesn't even rank right now, and shouldn't be ranked. He has beaten a washed up boxer in a match that wasn't even regulated as an official bout, he beat a guy that took a fall, and last night he beat a 43 year old whose best days are long gone.

Does Kimbo have a future? Of course he does. The man doesn't fear his opponents and seems to always bring it. With that said, he has to earn his way into the rankings just like everyone else. He could beat both Ricco AND Silva and he wouldn't be top 10 if you ask me. He needs to beat a ranked fighter to be considered one.
NatedawgThaM
2/17/08 11:49:45AM
I said yes, screw Top ten, this man can be CHAMP!!!

He is very underrated, he has a solid rock chin and excellent boxing. He gets thrown in the "brawler" category because of his street fights on YouTube but did you see how he beat Tank? He picked him apart with great boxing. He used head movement and hit him with solid straights.

Once Bas gets him some BJJ defense he can be a beast.
seanfu
2/17/08 12:24:04PM
Ray Mercer was a spectacle- old
Bo Cantrel was a joke- D class
Tank was a spectacle and a joke- old and D class


Remember that despite all the hype- these were his opponents, these were the people he blew away. These guys had rocking chairs

Elite XC did what was smart, they didn't get a bunch of big names to fight for them, they invested in spectacle, they invested in B and C fighters who were very aggressive and exiting that would cost them minimal money with maximum shows.

Kimbo is being brought along very slowly. If he demolishes Ken shamrock- another old D class fighter would it really be that big of a shock?
iwannabesedated
2/17/08 4:58:17PM

Posted by KeNn

lol if you read my posts I'm a huge Kimbo fan.

I didn't however vote yes, BECAUSE he is fighting cans.

I say throw him a bone, and see if he'll take it for what it's worth.

I say if he ever goes to the UFC Sylvia, this may be a couple years and might have his purple belt in jj if he trains, so I think it would be a entertaining fight if him and sylvia banged it out. Chances are Tim would get dropped, so he'd have another game plan he's a fairly smart fighter...As he should be lol.




Sylvia would destroy Kimbo.Much like any top 20 HW in the world.I'd even bet that top ten LHW's would beat him.Lets see what would happen if he fights a good technical striker and not someone like tank and who just comes in and throws and matches well to Kimbos style.and OMG he trains with Bas Rutten yeah ok just because Kimbo trains with Bas Rutten does not make him Bas Rutten.Sure it will help him develop more skills but still i doubt that Kimbo will ever be a top ten fighter at HW.He maybe a top ten in EXC but if they would bring in someone like Brad Imes to fight and see Imes Gogo Kimbo that would be great.
Jackelope
2/17/08 5:31:01PM
I don't agree with Kimbo never having a chance at breaking top 10, but I do agree that Sylvia would demolish him ATM. Sylvia's chin is WAY too tough for one, he's got massive reach on him for two, and for three Tim has way too much experience on him.
warglory
2/17/08 6:54:29PM
I completely agree. Tim would be way too much for Kimbo. Tim is a top 5 heavyweight, there's just no comparison.
BlazinSaddle
2/17/08 7:15:39PM
whoever says kimbo is top 10 yet is insane, top 10? kimbo himself even said hes just a tadpole in the ocean in his post fight interview, jeezes christ kimbo beats somebody hes suppose to beat and people get all excited that hes fought better competition than fedor blah blah this and that choi is a can, choi would take both tank and kimbo (at present state) choi is a K-1 champion and kimbo needs at least 4-7 more victories with at least 2-3 of them being top 20 or top 10 before the UFC would consider kimbo or he is considered top 10
loonytnt
2/17/08 9:00:13PM
kimbo is no top 10 kimbo just bet tank, tank is not the best MMA fighter in the world

plus his last 2 fights he punched the guy in the back of the head, kimbo has to conrol hisself
cj_striker
2/18/08 10:34:59AM
I know the guy who posted this apologized for it, so I'm not bashing him, just stating some stuff. Everyone should just relax a little and let the man have some legit fights, before we jump to crazy conclusions. I love KIMBO, I met the guy when I used to live in Miami, and he seems to be coming along wonderfully in the MMA world, but he is definitely not a top ten HW and will not be until he beats some top contenders (even if he has the skill, which hasn't been proven yet), if he fights Big Foot and knocks him the f**k out and/or somehow handles himself decently in the fight on the ground as he would on his feet, then I would say he has the potential to be a top ten HW and will be if he could defeat another top HW. But you'll never find out until he gets signed by the UFC. Bottom line, Bas is training this guy and it seems he is dedicated, so I expect big things to come just give it time.
pv3Hpv3p
2/18/08 10:51:33AM
I voted yes...

Ultimatley, if things keep going in the same direction... There seems to be a lot of HW's leaving the UFC... If AA leaves after his fight, which it seems like he may... Sylvia maybe doing the same... Randy's out there wanting to fight elsewhere... And you still have guys like Barnett, Aleks and Fedor, Fujita, Hunt, CroCop, the other big guys from K-1.... There are a lot more talented HW's out there than it seems...

Now, I don't know if Kimbo can beat any of these guys... But at least with competition like that out there availible for him to fight... There's no reason, that with a lot of training and a little luck he couldn't eventually crack the top ten (that's all assuming he can keep winning)
pv3Hpv3p
2/18/08 10:58:15AM

Posted by BlazinSaddle

whoever says kimbo is top 10 yet is insane, top 10? kimbo himself even said hes just a tadpole in the ocean in his post fight interview, jeezes christ kimbo beats somebody hes suppose to beat and people get all excited that hes fought better competition than fedor blah blah this and that choi is a can, choi would take both tank and kimbo (at present state) choi is a K-1 champion and kimbo needs at least 4-7 more victories with at least 2-3 of them being top 20 or top 10 before the UFC would consider kimbo or he is considered top 10



I think a lot of you are missing the point... The question isn't wether or not you think Kimbo is top 10 right now... I mean, anyone can see that he hasn't beaten anyone of consequence and only has 2 pro fights...

The question was, if Kimbo stays in EliteXC could he be considered top ten sooner or later? Or more simply... Is there enough tough competition outside of the UFC and availible for him to fight that could eventually warrant him being a top10 heavy?

OMG, Anyone who fights gangsta's on the interweb and then beats Tank is immediately top 10!!! Who doesn't know that!!! lol
rabbit915
2/18/08 12:32:14PM
Not only is Kimbo not a top 10 guy, Hes not a top 100. He hasnt fought a legitimate fighter yet.
Daddyprimetime
2/18/08 1:06:34PM
Kimbo will never be top ten in EXC. There isn't enough top quality fighters to fight there and after just 2 pro fights we can't tell if how good he is gonna be. Yeah he knock out cans (Yes Tank is a can) but what will he do against the likes of Tim Sylvia, Randy, Nog, and so on.
Focker101
2/18/08 1:16:58PM
Fedor
Nog
Arlovski
Couture
Mir
Aleksander
Cro Cop
Barnett
Vera
Gonzaga
Werdum
Tim Sylvia

There is 12 guys that will Kill Kimbo he is not... nor ever will be top ten !!!
great mid teir fighter though and will always like to watch him fight
I want to see Kimbo Vs Lesnar who else wants to see that fight ???

by the way Lesnar wins that fight via GnP
Pitbull09
2/18/08 2:35:28PM

Posted by warglory

*sigh* If there's one thing I dislike about the MMA community is its insufferable ability to jump onto a bandwagon WAY too easily. Kimbo doesn't even rank right now, and shouldn't be ranked. He has beaten a washed up boxer in a match that wasn't even regulated as an official bout, he beat a guy that took a fall, and last night he beat a 43 year old whose best days are long gone.

Does Kimbo have a future? Of course he does. The man doesn't fear his opponents and seems to always bring it. With that said, he has to earn his way into the rankings just like everyone else. He could beat both Ricco AND Silva and he wouldn't be top 10 if you ask me. He needs to beat a ranked fighter to be considered one.



I made the post to be sure that most of the ppl here agreed with me in saying "no." Just because I made the post doesnt mean I voted for the first option. I think there is way to much hype behind Kimbo, Lesnar, and even Serra, and was just seeing what the ppl here thought.

As I wrote, until he;s in M-1, Dream, or UFC; I dont think he should be considered serious
Pitbull09
2/18/08 2:38:32PM

Posted by Focker101

Fedor
Nog
Arlovski
Couture
Mir
Aleksander
Cro Cop
Barnett
Vera
Gonzaga
Werdum
Tim Sylvia

There is 12 guys that will Kill Kimbo he is not... nor ever will be top ten !!!
great mid teir fighter though and will always like to watch him fight
I want to see Kimbo Vs Lesnar who else wants to see that fight ???

by the way Lesnar wins that fight via GnP



I agree with this guy completely. Why not just put all completely overhyped fighters in one org where they can pretend they are world class fighters.
Lesnar
Kimbo
Hong man? (Fedors opponent)
Tank (no offense to him, hes not over hyped but hes really not the same fighter from the old days)

That would be an entertaining division and we wouldnt have to worry about ranking them.
Jackelope
2/18/08 2:53:08PM

Posted by Pitbull09


Posted by warglory

*sigh* If there's one thing I dislike about the MMA community is its insufferable ability to jump onto a bandwagon WAY too easily. Kimbo doesn't even rank right now, and shouldn't be ranked. He has beaten a washed up boxer in a match that wasn't even regulated as an official bout, he beat a guy that took a fall, and last night he beat a 43 year old whose best days are long gone.

Does Kimbo have a future? Of course he does. The man doesn't fear his opponents and seems to always bring it. With that said, he has to earn his way into the rankings just like everyone else. He could beat both Ricco AND Silva and he wouldn't be top 10 if you ask me. He needs to beat a ranked fighter to be considered one.



I made the post to be sure that most of the ppl here agreed with me in saying "no." Just because I made the post doesnt mean I voted for the first option. I think there is way to much hype behind Kimbo, Lesnar, and even Serra, and was just seeing what the ppl here thought.

As I wrote, until he;s in M-1, Dream, or UFC; I dont think he should be considered serious



I'm not a nut hugger, but with the way the rankings are going right now (or should I say... aren't going?) what reason is there to believe he COULDN'T be ranked in the top 10 at some point. If things stay the way they are with no legitimate top competition facing each other, you have to go with the guys who are active. I've been seeing people saying this left and right on Fedor ranking threads, so why are they backing out of saying it right now?

I believe Kimbo would lose to every single top 20 fighter out there right now. If the HW's stay at this current pace they're at then yes, I could see him break into the top 10 in the future. Honestly.. who is fighting consistently?

Sylvia
Mir
Lesnar (Just as much of a freakshow IMO)
Kongo
Werdum
Gonzaga
Noguiera
Herring
Hardonk (lol)
Bigfoot Silva
Rodriguez
Kimbo
Fedor

That's 13 fighters that have actively been fighting

Until we see that list expand to
Aleks Emelianenko
Barnett
Arlovski
Hunt
Couture
Crocop
etc.....
etc......

Now, even I'm smart enough to realize that Kimbo couldn't beat any of those guys (except maybe Hardonk) BUT as I said in my original post- should he beat 2 of those guys in Ricco and Bigfoot, and do it in decisive fashion while displaying some kind of defense to the ground game, I think the choice is obvious amongst ACTIVE fighters that he would either be creaking into the #10 spot, or he would be on the cusp.

Once we see some fights from the other guys (and I'm sure there's maybe one or two that I missed... just woke up) then we can start saying "NO" But for right now training with Bas, and bringing a hard core game every time into the cage isn't hurting him. It's only helping.
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