KenFlo & Barnett Drama

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RhythmAndStyle
2/16/09 3:26:58PM
don't know if this has been posted yet..if so,let me know..but i just got done readin this and thought it was pretty interestin..
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/15/759998/kenny-makes-a-statement-re

KenFlo
Anyone who watches MMA Live on ESPN.com knows that I am fair when talking about UFC, Strikeforce, Affliction etc . . . or any of the fighters. In the most recent episode, I spoke about Joe Lauzon's dominant win over Stephens. Joe has spoken negatively about me in several interviews lately but I call it like I see it. He did well against Stephens and dominated the ground action. I also spoke about Strikeforce being a great thing for mma fighters and fans. Criticizing fighters or even picking winners and losers is always tough but it is my job and what ESPN pays me to do. Most here understand that and many here supporting Barnett most likely never saw the episode.

I expected a dominant finish from Barnett because HE IS a top heavyweight going against a man in Yvel who doesn't have his ground skills. Barnett certainly dominated but for whatever the reason, he struggled to put him away. It was my job to tell people watching the show what I thought about the fight.

I have always had a lot of respect for Josh Barnett as a fighter and he has always came across well in the past. Hearing his comments about me shows that while he is a good fighter, he is like school on Sunday, he has no class. I am not sure if Barnett is overly sensitive, sexually frustrated or believes he had a perfect performance, whatever the case, I think the comments he made shows what kind of a background he comes from. He has made some unusual comments about the UFC and other fighters so I find it odd that he is so sensitive.
As a professional mma fighter myself, I have been subjected to a lot of criticism. I think all of my performances are terrible after a few weeks after my fights. I know I need improvement which is why I train so hard. To resort to insults and name calling because someone thought I should have fought better is immature and pointless. We can always do better. We fight on TV and people will criticize. No mysteries here.

It is fighters like Josh Barnett who help support the perception that MMA fighters are ignorant and low class individuals. This is unfortunate since the MMA world needs guys who act like professional athletes if we want people to take this sport seriously. Barnett isn't a kid anymore and has been around the sport for a long time now, he should act like a pro. If we show a lack of respect, how can we want people to respect us?

Either way, thanks for watching MMA Live on ESPN.com. All of our past episodes are available on the MMA page at ESPN.com.

KF

Barnett
Now that I have your attention Kenny, and the rest of the internet it seems, I’ll lay it out for you without the attention grabbing obnoxiousness. I have done media work in MMA for years and know the difference between acting as a professional on camera and taking shots at someone. You obviously do not and did not have respect for me as a fighter when you decided to not simply be critical of my performance but talk of it with derision and disdain. Your clearly condescending attitude is where I took offense and when I have fellow fighters sending me messages saying, "Hey, did you see Kenny Florian talking down about you on ESPN?" it’s clear to me you’re being disrespectful.

Yeah I know all the crass comments were a bit much and "Sit-on-a-dong" in retrospect was in very poor taste. I regret that one. But for grabbing attention and putting more listeners in front of the PC for Shoman and Co. it did the trick. The offer still stands however if you, K-Flo, think you can teach me a two about throwing an armlock or two. Your attitude suggested you sat on a pretty high perch for someone so much my junior in this sport and you must think yourself a better fighter. I’d simply like to see you stand up for that attitude. I have been submitted plenty of times by Matt Hume who is around your weight and you’re a professional athlete so no need for anyone to whine about me picking on you Kenny.

Who are you to speak of class or more importantly my background? The only thing you need to know about my background is that no one ever let me act like an arrogant prick without smacking me one. My teachers are men who put up or shut up and take no **** from anybody. See when I started fighting I didn’t have the luxury of gyms everywhere, promotions all over the US, sponsors, or even MMA gear. We fought whoever, whenever pretty much regardless of weights, time limits or rules. What you see on Sherdog isn’t the extent of my fighting history. Ever fight bare knuckle, with headbutts or no time limit? No cutting and running in those matches buddy boy. No, I bet you didn’t. You got all the benefits of a modern MMA created by people like myself and I can tell you what it really means to suffer for a sport when we didn’t make dick. But we fought however we could and for free if we had to, just to fight.

You’re a kid in this game. A mewling babe sucking from a teet. You haven’t done the things I have or even have as many fights as I have wins. You need to realize that just because you fight in the UFC and are on an ESPN internet show, we are not peers. Not even close. Not as fighters, not in MMA knowledge, not in the business aspects, not in anything.

I must say that as a fighter your improvement has been impressive and I think you have come far from the finals of the first TUF. This however is not just about professionalism but about being a man. If you want to speak with contempt and flout be prepared to have own up to it –even if it means having to get physical. That’s the way it is.

Don’t talk **** if you don’t want ****.

Josh

if you don't want to go into the link...
nickcuc547
2/16/09 3:36:12PM
to be honest they both look really bad in all this, and they are both two of my fave fighters. kenny looks like an arrogant jerk and barnett looks like a crying baby, hopefully this goes away because it's pretty disinteresting when there are a war of words between a heavyweight and lightweight, it's never going to get solved.
Franklinfan47
2/16/09 3:58:11PM
I personally think this whole incident has made Barnett look the more foolish and immature. Kenny is absolutely right, as an mma analyst, ESPN pays him to state his opinions, and if he wasnt impressed with Barnett's performance, he should deal with it. Kenny is just doing his job. If anything, he should take it as motivation to perform better next time. He won, so what does it matter really what other people think? A million people trash him on the internet but since Kenny is a fighter its somehow offensive? I saw the episode where he discussed Barnetts fight at affliction and there was nothing stated that shocked me in the least.

I think Barnett just watched the episode, lost his temper and responded like a scorned prom date, and is now backtracking, trying to justify what he said with intelligent-sounding words. If you ask me, Barnett should be less concerned with what a fighter 5 weight classes below him thinks and worry about fighting Fedor.
Aaronno9
2/16/09 3:58:20PM
I dont think Kenny looks to bad, I mean, all he did was his job, he said what the entire mma community was thinking in regards to Josh struggling to finish a guy whos grappling skills are below average at best. Then Josh man a personal attack on him, so Kenny was well within his rights to reply.
nickcuc547
2/16/09 4:08:04PM

Posted by Aaronno9

I dont think Kenny looks to bad, I mean, all he did was his job, he said what the entire mma community was thinking in regards to Josh struggling to finish a guy whos grappling skills are below average at best. Then Josh man a personal attack on him, so Kenny was well within his rights to reply.



ya i was referring to the second statement where kenny talks about him being sexually frustrated, i know it's retaliation for the sit on a dong comment but both were pretty un called for. pretty much think this is stupid because there is a 0% chance this gets settled in the ring, so both guys can do all the talking they want, because that's all it's going to come down to is their mouths.
fizzle
2/16/09 4:18:03PM

Posted by nickcuc547


Posted by Aaronno9

I dont think Kenny looks to bad, I mean, all he did was his job, he said what the entire mma community was thinking in regards to Josh struggling to finish a guy whos grappling skills are below average at best. Then Josh man a personal attack on him, so Kenny was well within his rights to reply.



ya i was referring to the second statement where kenny talks about him being sexually frustrated, i know it's retaliation for the sit on a dong comment but both were pretty un called for. pretty much think this is stupid because there is a 0% chance this gets settled in the ring, so both guys can do all the talking they want, because that's all it's going to come down to is their mouths.


Yeah, I think Kenny would have made his point better had he left out that remark. It just cheapens the entire thing making him sound bitter. Otherwise I think Barnett is the only guy looking bad here.
jawbreaker517
2/16/09 5:30:51PM
Personally, I didn't hear the broadcast. But I like both guys and think that they are both action-packed fighters. I think Barnett is a little more brash and emotional, though. To call Kenny out and say, "even if it means getting physical" is alittle much. These guys are professionals and should act as such.
ziegler3334
2/16/09 9:27:04PM
florian for sure has outclassed barnett thru this whole stupid ordeal
telnights
2/17/09 1:14:58PM
Really not sure why Barnett was so upset about Kenny's comments as a reporter because there were a lot of reports saying the same thing Kenny did. Kenny didn't really say anything different than a large part of the MMA community was saying. IN fact there was some sport writers that said somethings a lot worse about Barnett's performance. This sport is growing and has become very main stream, if you cant take people breaking down your performance then you shouldn't be fighting. I agree with everything Kenny said and Barnett is acting very childishly even having to have the last word. Barnett has trashed talked a bunch of fighters in the UFC and the UFC for years and that's because he is disgruntled at the UFC for cutting him for steroid use. But now that someone says they expected more from him he is all upset? Why he picked Kenny out I'm not sure but its clear that there is more going on than what Barnett is saying. Maybe he is mad that Kenny beat one of his training partners or maybe because Kenny is a fighter he thinks he is an easy target. Maybe he thinks if he picks a fight with Kenny he will get more press coverage but whatever the reason he is just making himself look bad in the eyes of fans and the media.
bls1919
2/19/09 9:30:29PM

Posted by ziegler3334

florian for sure has outclassed barnett thru this whole stupid ordeal



Without a DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to top it off Barney still doesn't own it. He is still pissy and fussy about it all.
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