Keith Jardine Dropping to Middleweight, Wants Cung Le

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FastKnockout
8/2/11 8:23:35PM
Former UFC and current Strikeforce fighter Keith Jardine is dropping to middleweight, and he has one name on his mind for a debut fight at 185 - former Strikeforce middleweight champion Cung Le. Le has been campaigning for a fight in the UFC, but Jardine wants to duke it out in a Strikeforce cage. He had a lot to say to MMA Weekly about Le:

"Just looking out there, they need to get a fight for me, and it needs to be a big named guy, I want it to be a big named guy. Looking at Strikeforce seeing who they’ve got and there’s not much bigger than Cung Le. I thought that would be a great match-up."

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FastKnockout
8/2/11 8:26:12PM
He wants a brawl, huh? Robbie Lawler.
kingsmasher
8/2/11 8:30:48PM

Posted by FastKnockout

He wants a brawl, huh? Robbie Lawler.




yeah thats a good match up there
pmoney
8/2/11 8:36:10PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by FastKnockout

He wants a brawl, huh? Robbie Lawler.




yeah thats a good match up there





Robbie's nickname might as well be brawler! It would roll of the tongue nice too. Robbie "The Brawler" Lawler! I can hear Bruce Buffer screaming it in my head....

That would be a great fight for sure. Total knock down, drag out fist fight. I feel Lawler would do the knocking down, and Jardine would be subject to being dragged out....
kopower
8/2/11 8:41:34PM

Robbie's nickname might as well be brawler! It would roll of the tongue nice too. Robbie "The Brawler" Lawler! I can hear Bruce Buffer screaming it in my head.... That would be a great fight for sure. Total knock down, drag out fist fight. I feel Lawler would do the knocking down, and Jardine would be subject to being dragged out....


I have a feeling the fight would go something like Lawler's fight against Manhoef. Jardine kicking the sh*t out of Robbie's legs, and eventually Lawler landing the big ko.
Chael_Sonnen
8/2/11 8:47:45PM
The Dean of Mean @ 185? I'll believe it when I see it.

WARNING: I predict a James Irvin type of cut.
grappler0000
8/2/11 8:52:16PM

Posted by pmoney

Robbie's nickname might as well be brawler!



In fact, an anagram of Robbie Lawler is "obile brawler". And that makes total sense. Now, I'm not sure what an obile is, but I'm sure is has something to do with rearranging faces.
FastKnockout
8/2/11 9:10:39PM

Posted by kopower


Robbie's nickname might as well be brawler! It would roll of the tongue nice too. Robbie "The Brawler" Lawler! I can hear Bruce Buffer screaming it in my head.... That would be a great fight for sure. Total knock down, drag out fist fight. I feel Lawler would do the knocking down, and Jardine would be subject to being dragged out....


I have a feeling the fight would go something like Lawler's fight against Manhoef. Jardine kicking the sh*t out of Robbie's legs, and eventually Lawler landing the big ko.



It will probably be more along the lines of what Wanderlei did to Jardine. Don't get me wrong, I love Jardine and I usually hate seeing him get knocked out. But Lawler's last two defeats have left a bad taste in my mouth, and if Jardine has to take a trip to night night land to wash it out, then so be it!
Patchedup15
8/2/11 9:44:53PM

Posted by FastKnockout

He wants a brawl, huh? Robbie Lawler.



I like this better than Cung Le.. although i think he and Mousai need to settle something first
pmoney
8/2/11 10:11:41PM
Grappler, as it turns out, according to Urban Dictionary, obile is slang for police! Of course, Urban Dictionary is a cancer that plagues our society, and I wish it didn't exist.... But still, nice anagram

FastKnockout, kopower, I could see the hypothetical fight going exactly as either of you described.

For the record, I've never been a huge fan of the Dean of Mean, but even I hurt a little inside after watching him get prison effed against Wanderlei. That was one of the most brutal, savage KO's I had ever witnessed. The ol' grab em by the throat and punch em in the face until they are unconscious technique.... works every time!
Chael_Sonnen
8/2/11 10:26:41PM

Posted by pmoney

Grappler, as it turns out, according to Urban Dictionary, obile is slang for police! Of course, Urban Dictionary is a cancer that plagues our society, and I wish it didn't exist.... But still, nice anagram

FastKnockout, kopower, I could see the hypothetical fight going exactly as either of you described.

For the record, I've never been a huge fan of the Dean of Mean, but even I hurt a little inside after watching him get prison effed against Wanderlei. That was one of the most brutal, savage KO's I had ever witnessed. The ol' grab em by the throat and punch em in the face until they are unconscious technique.... works every time!



Hells yah, the rape choke by Wand was
Manak
8/2/11 11:12:14PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen

The Dean of Mean @ 185? I'll believe it when I see it.

WARNING: I predict a James Irvin type of cut.



Plus his ability to take a shot isnt great and i think going down in weight wont help it
tn_rebel
8/3/11 12:02:28AM
Lawler hasn't proved anything more than Jardine. I would take The Dean in this one.
bjj1605
8/3/11 12:31:33AM
I will be very surprised if he can make this cut and still be close to 100%.

He's a big LHW.


Cutting weight isn't always the answer. Sometimes its your skills. But I guess its better than doing nothing.
FastKnockout
8/3/11 12:53:43AM

Posted by tn_rebel

Lawler hasn't proved anything more than Jardine. I would take The Dean in this one.



Robbie Lawler - 15 fights finished by KO or TKO

Keith Jardine - Finished 5 times by KO or TKO

You do the math, my friend.
tn_rebel
8/3/11 8:20:22AM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by tn_rebel

Lawler hasn't proved anything more than Jardine. I would take The Dean in this one.



Robbie Lawler - 15 fights finished by KO or TKO

Keith Jardine - Finished 5 times by KO or TKO

You do the math, my friend.



40-50% of fights end in decision, 37% of fights end in submission, that means only 13-23% of fights end in KO; not all fights have to end with a knockout; there is your math, my pal
emfleek
8/3/11 8:44:18AM

Posted by tn_rebel

40-50% of fights end in decision, 37% of fights end in submission, that means only 13-23% of fights end in KO; not all fights have to end with a knockout; there is your math, my pal



Care to state a source or did you just make that up? There are DEFINITELY not more submissions than TKO's or KO's.

Just over the course of the past 10 UFC events, the breakdown is as follows...

DECISION: 68 Fights (52%)
(T)KO: 40 Fights (31%)
SUB: 22 Fights (17%)

I didn't even take into consideration NC's or Draws.

I believe that provides a pretty good example of how wrong your "math" is.
tn_rebel
8/3/11 9:14:13AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by tn_rebel

40-50% of fights end in decision, 37% of fights end in submission, that means only 13-23% of fights end in KO; not all fights have to end with a knockout; there is your math, my pal



Care to state a source or did you just make that up? There are DEFINITELY not more submissions than TKO's or KO's.

Just over the course of the past 10 UFC events, the breakdown is as follows...

DECISION: 68 Fights (52%)
(T)KO: 40 Fights (31%)
SUB: 22 Fights (17%)

I didn't even take into consideration NC's or Draws.

I believe that provides a pretty good example of how wrong your "math" is.



either way even your "math" shows how small of a percentage of fights end in ko; the majority of fights go to decision and jardine's awkward fighting style can cause anyone problems
emfleek
8/3/11 9:47:36AM

Posted by tn_rebel

either way even your "math" shows how small of a percentage of fights end in ko; the majority of fights go to decision and jardine's awkward fighting style can cause anyone problems



Actually, it's fact. Not "math". I don't provide made up facts to support my arguments.
bjj1605
8/3/11 10:03:42AM

Posted by tn_rebel


Posted by emfleek


Posted by tn_rebel

40-50% of fights end in decision, 37% of fights end in submission, that means only 13-23% of fights end in KO; not all fights have to end with a knockout; there is your math, my pal



Care to state a source or did you just make that up? There are DEFINITELY not more submissions than TKO's or KO's.

Just over the course of the past 10 UFC events, the breakdown is as follows...

DECISION: 68 Fights (52%)
(T)KO: 40 Fights (31%)
SUB: 22 Fights (17%)

I didn't even take into consideration NC's or Draws.

I believe that provides a pretty good example of how wrong your "math" is.



either way even your "math" shows how small of a percentage of fights end in ko; the majority of fights go to decision and jardine's awkward fighting style can cause anyone problems



31% (roughly a third) is not a small percentage. That means there is a 1 in 3 chance of a fight ending by knockout.

Considering there are basically three methods of victory, those are pretty good odds.
tn_rebel
8/3/11 10:05:44AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by tn_rebel

either way even your "math" shows how small of a percentage of fights end in ko; the majority of fights go to decision and jardine's awkward fighting style can cause anyone problems



Actually, it's fact. Not "math". I don't provide made up facts to support my arguments.



i got that from sherdog. either way do you disagree that most fights end in decision? especially Jardine fights? not to mention he said Jardine only had 5 KO or TKO when he has 8. How come you didn't call that BS? Do you just care about facts when it backs your argument?
Manak
8/3/11 10:18:01AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by tn_rebel

either way even your "math" shows how small of a percentage of fights end in ko; the majority of fights go to decision and jardine's awkward fighting style can cause anyone problems



Actually, it's fact. Not "math". I don't provide made up facts to support my arguments.



when math is done correctly it becomes fact, young padawan




im an engineer i like numbers
emfleek
8/3/11 10:20:40AM

Posted by tn_rebel

i got that from sherdog. either way do you disagree that most fights end in decision? especially Jardine fights? not to mention he said Jardine only had 5 KO or TKO when he has 8. How come you didn't call that BS?



I don't disagree that most fights end in Decision. Did you not read my post that stated as much?

I provided facts to counter your argument because the stats you listed stood out as being astoundingly incorrect.



Posted by tn_rebel

not to mention he said Jardine only had 5 KO or TKO when he has 8. How come you didn't call that BS?



That's not what he said. He said Jardine has been finished by TKO/KO 5 times, which is 100% correct.


Posted by tn_rebel

Do you just care about facts when it backs your argument?



I don't even know how to answer this. Yes? No?

I care about facts when they're relevant to the discussion at hand. I didn't read his post...I read yours and it was incorrect, which is why we're having this discussion.
prozacnation1978
8/3/11 4:35:04PM
Go jardine!!!!
Bubbles
8/3/11 8:11:29PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by tn_rebel

Lawler hasn't proved anything more than Jardine. I would take The Dean in this one.



Robbie Lawler - 15 fights finished by KO or TKO

Keith Jardine - Finished 5 times by KO or TKO

You do the math, my friend.



so what do you consider the Rampage fight then?
Bubbles
8/3/11 8:14:51PM
being a Jardine nuthugger, WAR DEAN OF MEAN!! i would love to see this fight. i think Jardine can actually pull it off. even if he does start getting tagged a bit, he can always take Le down and pound him there...maybe even pull off a slick armbar
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