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silverbullet
4/3/08 12:36:00PM

Posted by Rush

I agree with your first point, but the second one.... huh? I don't think Karo could ever drop to LW. With his build and height, I don't see it happening.



come on man, did you even see Alves?? He looked bone dry compared to Karo. Alves must walk around at 200+
Karo is not even chubby. Karo is plain fat at 170. If he can't drop to LW it's bad news for him because there's no way he can be a champ at 170. No way. He's just too small. Two years ago, maybe. Two years ago dudes like Fitch, or Sanchez, or Alves fought at 185. These days, people cut, cut, cut. As the level of fighters improves, everybody is forced to cut.
bullettdodger
4/3/08 2:38:28PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Rush

I agree with your first point, but the second one.... huh? I don't think Karo could ever drop to LW. With his build and height, I don't see it happening.



come on man, did you even see Alves?? He looked bone dry compared to Karo. Alves must walk around at 200+
Karo is not even chubby. Karo is plain fat at 170. If he can't drop to LW it's bad news for him because there's no way he can be a champ at 170. No way. He's just too small. Two years ago, maybe. Two years ago dudes like Fitch, or Sanchez, or Alves fought at 185. These days, people cut, cut, cut. As the level of fighters improves, everybody is forced to cut.



well said
TNunley
4/3/08 2:53:37PM

Posted by AchillesHeel
It's funny when Rampage Jackson says things like "you mean I can get paid to beat up White people?" But if Forrest Griffin said the same thing about Black people, it wouldn't be.



I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.
Pookie
4/3/08 2:57:44PM

Posted by TNunley


Posted by AchillesHeel
It's funny when Rampage Jackson says things like "you mean I can get paid to beat up White people?" But if Forrest Griffin said the same thing about Black people, it wouldn't be.



I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.



right because racial favoritism in the work force and the judicial system is not prominent still today. Same way with the police... and because forrest griffin was a cop it would make it even less racist, i agree
AchillesHeel
4/3/08 3:27:42PM

Posted by TNunley

I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.


ABC News, 23 September 2007: Backlash to Jena Racial Tensions?
International Herald Tribune, 10 October 2007: Rash of noose incidents reported across country in wake of Jena, La. case
New York Times, 19 October 2007: Few Answers About Nooses, but Much Talk of Jim Crow
Washington Post, 20 October 2007: In Jena and Beyond, Nooses Return as Symbol of Hate
FOX News.com, 22 October: NY Lawmakers Move on Anti-Noose Bill
New York Times, 31 March 2008: Grand Jury Investigating Noose at Colombia University
CBS 3, 1 April 2008: Discrimination Suit Filed After Noose Incident
inRich.com, 3 April 2008: Possible hate crime probed at UR


That's all from a cursory Google News search for the word "noose."
Pookie
4/3/08 3:39:48PM

Posted by AchillesHeel


Posted by TNunley

I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.


ABC News, 23 September 2007: Backlash to Jena Racial Tensions?
International Herald Tribune, 10 October 2007: Rash of noose incidents reported across country in wake of Jena, La. case
New York Times, 19 October 2007: Few Answers About Nooses, but Much Talk of Jim Crow
Washington Post, 20 October 2007: In Jena and Beyond, Nooses Return as Symbol of Hate
FOX News.com, 22 October: NY Lawmakers Move on Anti-Noose Bill
New York Times, 31 March 2008: Grand Jury Investigating Noose at Colombia University
CBS 3, 1 April 2008: Discrimination Suit Filed After Noose Incident
inRich.com, 3 April 2008: Possible hate crime probed at UR


That's all from a cursory Google News search for the word "noose."



TNunley
4/3/08 4:26:05PM

Posted by AchillesHeel


Posted by TNunley

I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.


ABC News, 23 September 2007: Backlash to Jena Racial Tensions?
International Herald Tribune, 10 October 2007: Rash of noose incidents reported across country in wake of Jena, La. case
New York Times, 19 October 2007: Few Answers About Nooses, but Much Talk of Jim Crow
Washington Post, 20 October 2007: In Jena and Beyond, Nooses Return as Symbol of Hate
FOX News.com, 22 October: NY Lawmakers Move on Anti-Noose Bill
New York Times, 31 March 2008: Grand Jury Investigating Noose at Colombia University
CBS 3, 1 April 2008: Discrimination Suit Filed After Noose Incident
inRich.com, 3 April 2008: Possible hate crime probed at UR


That's all from a cursory Google News search for the word "noose."



So? Google Al Sharpton and find the links related to him promoting racism. It is not at all stereotypical to say that because their are white people that are racist that any white man must be a racist if he says something like that? Or that it's okay for a black man to make a comment like that because you hear about white racist bastards on the news more often? It isn't even worth arguing over, because there are always people who think that there is supposed to be a double standard. I have better things to deal with, but if you want to find a few more words to google, I'm sure I could find some that counter it.
Rush
4/3/08 4:29:56PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Rush

I agree with your first point, but the second one.... huh? I don't think Karo could ever drop to LW. With his build and height, I don't see it happening.



come on man, did you even see Alves?? He looked bone dry compared to Karo. Alves must walk around at 200+
Karo is not even chubby. Karo is plain fat at 170. If he can't drop to LW it's bad news for him because there's no way he can be a champ at 170. No way. He's just too small. Two years ago, maybe. Two years ago dudes like Fitch, or Sanchez, or Alves fought at 185. These days, people cut, cut, cut. As the level of fighters improves, everybody is forced to cut.




During the broadcast it was said that Alves walks around at 190. There is a trade off for cutting weight and I think there comes a point were giving up 3-5 pounds is a better choice than cutting 3-5 extra pounds to try and have a small weight advantage over your opponent. Not only that, there is always a potential risk of not making weight, which is not a great thing either.

If you think cutting weight and dropping down is the key to a fighter's success in MMA, then I think you are short sighted. Having a size advantage only takes you so far before it will start to work against you.

Swick was considered a small MW and he did well at MW. Let's see how well he does at WW. My hunch is that he will not tear through the division as well as he did in MW. Joe Riggs is another big WW that didn't make much of a splash.
TNunley
4/3/08 4:31:09PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by TNunley


Posted by AchillesHeel
It's funny when Rampage Jackson says things like "you mean I can get paid to beat up White people?" But if Forrest Griffin said the same thing about Black people, it wouldn't be.



I've gotta disagree. Although it is a matter of opinion, one is no different than the other. If you don't take Page's comments as racist (and I don't), then Forrest saying the same thing about black people wouldn't be racist either. It can't be both ways, there are no double standards... only double standards of what is deemed acceptable. I really don't see how the circumstances are any different for either of them. Neither were alive during the times of slavery, and neither were around when there was segragation. So there really is no different circumstances.



right because racial favoritism in the work force and the judicial system is not prominent still today. Same way with the police... and because forrest griffin was a cop it would make it even less racist, i agree



More often than a white man getting a job over a black man because of some racist bastard I can guarantee you there are minorities getting jobs over white folks. It's called EEOE, and these corporations get tax incentives for hiring minorities. So I don't see how that comment really makes since.

Live in the now man, just because you hear about white people being racist doesn't mean the exact same thing isn't going on in the other direction. My point of what I said was that it doesn't matter who says it... if it's okay for Page to say it, then it shouldn't be racist for Forrest to say it.

If you want to get into a racebate we can do that in the locker room if you're really that bored. I don't really see how your comments are even related to mine. My response took the conversation even further off topic than Achilles' did, but yours took it way out into left field.
TNunley
4/3/08 4:34:04PM

Posted by Rush


Posted by silverbullet


Posted by Rush

I agree with your first point, but the second one.... huh? I don't think Karo could ever drop to LW. With his build and height, I don't see it happening.



come on man, did you even see Alves?? He looked bone dry compared to Karo. Alves must walk around at 200+
Karo is not even chubby. Karo is plain fat at 170. If he can't drop to LW it's bad news for him because there's no way he can be a champ at 170. No way. He's just too small. Two years ago, maybe. Two years ago dudes like Fitch, or Sanchez, or Alves fought at 185. These days, people cut, cut, cut. As the level of fighters improves, everybody is forced to cut.




During the broadcast it was said that Alves walks around at 190. There is a trade off for cutting weight and I think there comes a point were giving up 3-5 pounds is a better choice than cutting 3-5 extra pounds to try and have a small weight advantage over your opponent. Not only that, there is always a potential risk of not making weight, which is not a great thing either.

If you think cutting weight and dropping down is the key to a fighter's success in MMA, then I think you are short sighted. Having a size advantage only takes you so far before it will start to work against you.

Swick was considered a small MW and he did well at MW. Let's see how well he does at WW. My hunch is that he will not tear through the division as well as he did in MW. Joe Riggs is another big WW that didn't make much of a splash.



I agree to an extent with that. I think cutting weight can only help you so much. Then again a cut into the lower weight class can be highly beneficial if it doesn't take too much away from your game (energy). So I would have to agree that it does give an advantage to a point, but I also agree with you that it is not a determining factor in a fight. If everyone is cutting weight to get to the next lower weight class, what difference will it make anyway? You'll be fighting the same people, you just both took a lot of time and energy to do it at a certain weight.
WhiteWidow
4/3/08 5:40:17PM

Posted by jocka


Posted by WhiteWidow

im pretty pissed houston lost and so quickly, i guess he dosnt have a chin...oh well james will be destroyed by a top 10 pretty soon,




Wow you really think that beacause Irvin knock him out with one superman punch he has a weak chin lets not forget that irvin is as big as you can be at 205 and man it was a superman punch did you think that Hugues had a weak chin when GSP knock him down with a superman punch??



from what i've seen from houston 3 of his 4 fights hes been knocked out or down, and this fight was his worst display of his chin, irvin hits hard yeah most ppl would go down too but he didnt recover well after the superman where as hughes at least lasted a little bit longer trying to defend
bls1919
4/3/08 5:48:28PM
That knee he took last night was better than the one Diego hit him with(knocking out his tooth), because it knocked him the fuc out. I loved it. On top of that Nate Diaz proved how tough he was. Took a beating and then ended it on the ground. Greatl transition into the triangle.
whardin19
4/3/08 5:54:09PM
I myself would say that the Karo fight was an early stoppage. I was kinda dissapointed in it. Karo was still defending himself and this Mazigatti guy who I'm starting to not like as a ref stepped in and called the fight. I am by far not even close to being a Karo fan but that stop was bullcrap in my opinion. As for Alexander saying his fight was an early stoppage. You got to be kidding me dude! You got knocked out harcore! If your kids really do hit harder than that maybe you should start getting them trained into MMA!
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
4/3/08 9:31:47PM
though i thought karo would grind out a 3 round decision, im very glad to see him KTFO. he is an embarassment to the sport. every time i see him , i dislike him more. Thiago looked huge for 170 and karo looked like a fat slob. hes turned into a welterweight tim sylvia(not only in appearance but the way be fights not to lose via decision rather then to stop the fight). send him packin dana.
mk1630
4/4/08 3:07:50PM

Posted by whardin19

I myself would say that the Karo fight was an early stoppage. I was kinda dissapointed in it. Karo was still defending himself and this Mazigatti guy who I'm starting to not like as a ref stepped in and called the fight. I am by far not even close to being a Karo fan but that stop was bullcrap in my opinion. As for Alexander saying his fight was an early stoppage. You got to be kidding me dude! You got knocked out harcore! If your kids really do hit harder than that maybe you should start getting them trained into MMA!




You cant really say that one was an early stoppage and then say the other was not, because they were practically the same situation. In Houston's case, he looked to go limp after the first punch connected after he was knocked down. His arms and head went back and took 1-2 clean shots and was not defending himself. It was not an early stoppage. In Karo's case, he got KO'd by the knee. It was not an early stoppage because when the ref sees the fighter go out, no matter if it is a flash KO, they will stop it. Like when Chuck got KO'd by Page. He was starting to defend himself but had already gone out, so Big John called it. Karo should not be complaining because while he was out he took about 4 shots, even if one woke him up, he had still gone out.
MondayNiteMauser
4/4/08 4:25:07PM
I'm a big frankie edgar fan but his loss was easy to swallow for a simple reason. Gray Maynard is the shit....he's a huge light weight and is just as quick as anyone on his feet....that guy has a future. Karo left me shitty and i thought the Diaz vs. Pelligrino match was unbelievable, diaz gained a fan in me tonight.
prozacnation1978
4/4/08 8:01:25PM
me too i am a big nick diaz fan never cared for his bro, but he might have made me a fan as well. sad night i like edgar sad to see him lose as well as alexander, karo got screwed, he did get knocked down but i thought he still had a chance. i felt bad for the guy he might as well face it he will not get a title shot anytime soon, and he should. i got fitch next in line with alves and davis right behind him especially if davis knocks out swick in dramatic fashion. i see karo fighting next either gono or maybe even matt hughes if serra does win but if he loses i say he might fight hughes before hughes retires. they should have fought each other ages ago
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