Posted by hado3
theres no way you can say that bjj is on its way out bjj has way more guys with a jiu jitsu background than guys with a judo background, the more you have of one kind the more chances their are of more losses
u name karo, doon sik woo(something like that) soko, masaki
i name shaolin,both nogueria's, aoki,nick diaz,thalez leties, thiago tavares, ricardo arona, matt serra(world Champion), jacare, and the list goes on
judo and wrestling are both purely about takedowns when you use it for mma
Who has Karo lost to-GSP strong wrestler, took him down and controlled him same as Diego
Masaki- even though i thought he was a kickboxer he lost to henderson another wrestler
thats why jiu jitsu guys learn wrestling not judo
You really shouldn't post about subjects you have almost no knowledge on... First of all, it seems as that you don't even realize that Judo deals with submissions, somehow you've gotten the idea BJJ is the be all end all of submissions. Perhaps you weren't aware that BJJ is nothing more than a development of Judo in Brazil, when Esai Maeda aka Count Koma, who was a student of Jigoro Kano (the founder of Judo) taught it to the Gracie family in 1915... even Renzo Gracie has gone on record to say that BJJ is pretty much the same as the Kosen style of Judo. In your argument you rattled off some BJJ practitioners that fight in MMA, but what you failed to realize is that Big Nog and Aoki are actually black belts in Judo aswell. In your breakthrough theory on Karo, you say he was taken down and controlled on the ground by Diego, which is far from the truth, it's been a while since I've watched the fight but from what I can remember Karo was doing all the takedowns, and the only real control Diego had was brief moments in backmount where he never came close to actually submitting... and you also said that GSP took him down and controlled him, well he also did that to Sherk, so I guess that wrestling>judo is flawed... also as far as Judo being only useful for takedowns in MMA, why is it that Karo has never come close to being submitted, even by 2 BJJ guys that you named in Diaz and Serra? Plus Judo legends Masahiko Kimura and Hidehiko Yoshida have both scored submission victories over members of the Gracie family in Helio and Royce... also the armlock in which Kimura broke Helio's arm with is now widely known simply as his name, as a sign of respect from the Gracies.
Another bone I'd like to pick is your obvious lack of understanding of the term "wrestling". You said Henderson and GSP are wrestlers, which is true, however they are two completely different style of wrestlers, GSP being folkstyle while Hendo Greco Roman... also you probably didn't know that Judo is also considered a style of amateur wrestling...
By no means is this a post to put you down with, but merely to educate you... BJJ and Judo are both branches in the Jiu Jitsu tree, a martial art created in feudal Japan to the Samurai... but when it comes right down to it, grappling is grappling. The major problem with most fans is that they have fallen into a stereotype that MMA is comprised of BJJ, Muay Thai and wrestling... announcers often refer to any groundwork as BJJ, giving people the wrong idea (A great example would be in Fedor / Lindland, where the announcer said that "Fedor won with the Jiu Jitsu"... when the fact is that Fedor is actually a Sambo/Judo background).
Hopefully this helps...