Jon Jones--Smart Business Man or Coward?

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POLL: ????
Smart decision 21% (10)
Cowardly decision 79% (37)
Franklinfan47
8/23/12 2:18:49PM
Well, I figured Id get the ball rolling. Jon Jones' decision to not fight Sonnen: smart or cowardly?

cowcatcher
8/23/12 2:22:58PM
I said coward.

Listen guys, I know we're all upset about losing the card, and I know we all hate Jones right now, but please keep it as clean as possible. I will let you know that I will turn the other cheek to a certain degree if you want to air your disappointment as long as you don't take it too far.
Chael_Sonnen
8/23/12 2:24:34PM
COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greg Jackson needs to start coaching Tennis full time....I heard the Williams Sisters are looking for a good "game plan"
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 2:25:30PM
I'd say smart or wise. Sonnen hasn't earned a shot at his title.

Wasn't a big fan of Sonnen being thrown in there just to save the fight.

I mean, Jones shouldn't have to accept the fight. He also would have to deal with an opponent switch on 9 days and fighting a guy who has been fighting at MW not LHW.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 2:28:39PM
Side note, Machida is going to have more fans than he ever had come the Toronto fight.
Franklinfan47
8/23/12 2:30:32PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I'd say smart or wise. Sonnen hasn't earned a shot at his title.

Wasn't a big fan of Sonnen being thrown in there just to save the fight.

I mean, Jones shouldn't have to accept the fight. He also would have to deal with an opponent switch on 9 days and fighting a guy who has been fighting at MW not LHW.



I would agree with you, were it not for the fact that Jones could have saved this whole card if he took the fight. Now no one gets to fight. The fans lose, the fighters lose, everyone loses except for Jones.

Chael didnt earn it, but Jones could have gained fans by taking this fight imo.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 2:36:49PM
UFC still could have tried other things and not have Jones be the deciding factor. Making it a free card somehow. Or moving Flyweight title up.

Jones could have made fans, but he's got other concerns than making fans. I mean, it's one week to prepare for a whole new fight, that's not smart. Maybe if he didn't have the belt and the risk of losing it. Assuming it would be a 5 round title fight or maybe it would have been only 3.
Taylor8766
8/23/12 2:38:39PM
Coward your the champ youve had a full training camp why wouldnt he take a fight against sonnen who hasnt trained at all hes taking the fight on 8 days notice and hes also making his debut at 205 why wouldnt he take the fight? the only reason I can think of is he wants another big payday imo he lost more fans doing this. and he wants to be the best in the world.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 2:42:15PM
I don't know many other champs that might take a fight on 8 days notice. I couldn't see GSP doing it.

scoozna
8/23/12 2:48:51PM
What's really disappointing is the attitude that goes into a decision like this - not whether he's scared or anything silly like that. I suppose he doesn't believe what many of us think is apparent - that Dana will take care of him as a "team player" even if he were to lose a fill-in fight with Sonnen. He bombs the event, just because he doesn't want to risk having a loss to Chael? That's a real shame.
Franklinfan47
8/23/12 2:49:37PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I don't know many other champs that might take a fight on 8 days notice. I couldn't see GSP doing it.




I respectfully disagree because Jones was already training.....for a wrestler....who trains at team quest. Its not like this fight was going to be a drastically different opponent. Chael was the one who was actually taking a fight on 8 days notice.
OctagonOnly_com
8/23/12 2:52:49PM
I'm generally not one to rip on fighters, especially champions, but Jones not taking this fight definitely was not a very smart business decision in any way. He has had difficulty winning fans, and this move hurt his reputation even further.

With his recent Nike contract he may be worried about looking bad, but the way White through him under the bus made him look worse than had he fought and lost.

Additionally, it's never good business to piss off your boss and the company you work for.

At the same time, the way Dana reacted, while highly entertaining he said a lot of things that he probably shouldn't have; then again that's nothing new for White!
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 2:53:07PM

Posted by Franklinfan47


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I don't know many other champs that might take a fight on 8 days notice. I couldn't see GSP doing it.




I respectfully disagree because Jones was already training.....for a wrestler....who trains at team quest. Its not like this fight was going to be a drastically different opponent. Chael was the one who was actually taking a fight on 8 days notice.



There still has to be some difficulties with an opponent change on a weeks notice. Well Chael would try and grapple and Hendo was going to more likely stand.

I might have to stay off here til this crap blows over.
State_Champ
8/23/12 2:55:06PM
Cowardly seeming move by Jones.

Not sure why he did it. Must have felt he wasn't prepared. Fair enough. I guess he feels it was a smart business move.

So I'm saying both rather than one or another.
This move was cowardly and a smart business decision?

We'll see, I guess.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 3:06:05PM
Maybe someone can fight Sonnen on 8 days notice for your main event.

Tim Sylvia is probably available.
traveller77
8/23/12 3:12:13PM
The answer is BOTH
cowardly and unfortunately smart. While both are wrestlers, one would stand and one would hug, therefore much of his camp had been wasted. He would have been in shape and on weight, but you have to be ready for a guy like Sonnen. A gameplan is important against a guy that can close distance like Sonnen does, and all he had to do against Hendo was watch for the big right.
Franklinfan47
8/23/12 3:16:12PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Maybe someone can fight Sonnen on 8 days notice for your main event.

Tim Sylvia is probably available.



The problem is that no one else has the balls to take a fight on 8 days notice except for Chael Sonnen.

Maybe he could fight his clone

The fact is this was Jone's fight to take and he punked out. In trying to save Jone's career, Greg Jackson may have destroyed it.
FastKnockout
8/23/12 3:39:24PM
Honestly.. I can't blame him for his decision. He's the champion and the belt makes a big difference when it comes down to his money and fame. If I was the champion and I HAD the choice, I would do the same as him.

BUT, he is in fact the champion, so he SHOULDN'T have the choice to turn down a fight. As the champion, you fight who and when they tell you to fight. As the champion, you are supposedly the best in the world and should have the ability to beat anyone. If your original opponent is replaced it shouldn't matter, just another man standing across the cage wanting the belt.

To make it worse for Jones, consider the fact Chael Sonnen is a natural 185er and won't have a full training camp while Jones could fight at HW and only happens to be eight days from his original fight date.
kopower
8/23/12 3:45:12PM

Posted by traveler77

The answer is BOTH
cowardly and unfortunately smart. While both are wrestlers, one would stand and one would hug, therefore much of his camp had been wasted. He would have been in shape and on weight, but you have to be ready for a guy like Sonnen. A gameplan is important against a guy that can close distance like Sonnen does, and all he had to do against Hendo was watch for the big right.



I would have to agree with this. It really was a no win situation for Jon. If nothing else, why not fight, but without the title on the line? That would have saved the card, possibly gained Jon more of a fan base, and if Bones lost, he would still have the title, blame the short notice and change of fighter for his loss. Chael then earns a title shot, or at least a fight with Machida, who may or may not have accepted. I'm not too mad at Jon's decision though.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 3:47:41PM

Posted by FastKnockout

BUT, he is in fact the champion, so he SHOULDN'T have the choice to turn down a fight. As the champion, you fight who and when they tell you to fight. As the champion, you are supposedly the best in the world and should have the ability to beat anyone. If your original opponent is replaced it shouldn't matter, just another man standing across the cage wanting the belt.



I agree with this part to an extent. In terms of how Jones was saying he doesn't want to fight Machida next. He shouldn't have much in a say of that, but do I think Machida has earned another shot? No.

Now this is an extreme situation. 8 days notice and a guy who has been at MW. Idk, if the fight would have been for the title or not. Though, I think it shouldn't have been for the title as Sonnen hasn't earned nothing.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 3:54:48PM
Sure he made a smart business move on some levels, ie he keeps his strap, but he's now going to be one of the least popular fighters in UFC history and he screwed other fighters, fans, sponsors, and his employers by not taking the fight. It falls more under the stupid category than the smart category in my mind.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:03:27PM
Dana's made a similar move to Jon's.

Cancelling the card. He could have let them all still fight, but he's basically saying no one on the card is big enough a draw. Would it have brought in small numbers? Yeah, but stuff like that is going to happen in business.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 4:15:05PM
That's not a terrible point at all, but they were going to stand to lose more money due to paying fighter salaries and have a huge fan backlash had they tried to sell that card on PPV. He did what Kenny Rogers said, "know when to fold em."

That's not a bad argument though 20.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:18:21PM

Posted by cowcatcher

That's not a terrible point at all, but they were going to stand to lose more money due to paying fighter salaries and have a huge fan backlash had they tried to sell that card on PPV. He did what Kenny Rogers said, "know when to fold em."

That's not a bad argument though 20.



Would they be able to get out of the ppv if they could? Like if they had like facebook and fuel broadcast it. I can't remember if they've done something like that, made a ppv card into a free card.
cowcatcher
8/23/12 4:21:31PM
I think they have, but I can't remember exactly which event it was. It's probably just too close to the air date to make those kind of changes now. Last time I think it was a month or 2 out.
FastKnockout
8/23/12 4:23:44PM
Apparently Chris Weidman offered to step up and face Jones.
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:24:59PM

Posted by FastKnockout

Apparently Chris Weidman offered to step up and face Jones.



Weidman vs Sonnen

ha

saved
Twenty20Dollars
8/23/12 4:32:00PM
Essentially they could broadcast it on FX/Facebook.

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET) - move these four to FX
•Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
•Dennis Siver vs. Eddie Yagin
•Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
•John Lineker vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET) move these four to Facebook
•Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
•Jeff Hougland vs. Takeya Mizugaki
•Tim Means vs. Abel Trujillo
•Daron Cruickshank vs. Henry Martinez

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7 p.m. ET) have 6 facebook fights, & 4 FX fight
•Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
•Charlie Brenneman vs. Kyle Noke
cowcatcher
8/23/12 4:35:25PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Essentially they could broadcast it on FX/Facebook.

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET) - move these four to FX
•Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
•Dennis Siver vs. Eddie Yagin
•Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
•John Lineker vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET) move these four to Facebook
•Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
•Jeff Hougland vs. Takeya Mizugaki
•Tim Means vs. Abel Trujillo
•Daron Cruickshank vs. Henry Martinez

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7 p.m. ET) have 6 facebook fights, & 4 FX fight
•Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
•Charlie Brenneman vs. Kyle Noke



They don't own FX, so I doubt they could just move the card there in a weeks time. I'm guessing they have contracted dates and times set up with FX already.

Oh wait, I see what you're saying. But still, FX would have to be on board.
FastKnockout
8/23/12 4:37:04PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

Essentially they could broadcast it on FX/Facebook.

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET) - move these four to FX
•Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
•Dennis Siver vs. Eddie Yagin
•Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
•John Lineker vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET) move these four to Facebook
•Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
•Jeff Hougland vs. Takeya Mizugaki
•Tim Means vs. Abel Trujillo
•Daron Cruickshank vs. Henry Martinez

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7 p.m. ET) have 6 facebook fights, & 4 FX fight
•Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
•Charlie Brenneman vs. Kyle Noke



I'd watch it.
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