Jon Fitch among 16 fighters released from UFC on Tuesday

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george112
2/20/13 9:50:50PM
most interesting thing ive read all day
Franklinfan47
2/20/13 9:53:18PM
BELLATOR 106: ASKREN VS FITCH

BATTLE OF THE BLANKETS

I was shocked by some of these but really Grispi, Santiago, Keith, etc were a long time coming
kopower
2/20/13 10:44:10PM
Fitch and Sass are the most shocking to me. Even though Sass is one dimensional, he is still fun to watch. The way he hunts for subs always had me on the edge of my seat. It seemed his striking was coming around too, against Castillo.
emfleek
2/20/13 10:45:16PM

Posted by Franklinfan47

BELLATOR 106: ASKREN VS FITCH

BATTLE OF THE BLANKETS

I was shocked by some of these but really Grispi, Santiago, Keith, etc were a long time coming



Fitch isn't a blanket. Absurd statement.

And Santiago getting cut is a long time coming? It was his first fight back in the UFC.
WashULawyer
2/20/13 10:56:10PM
It's a money play by the UFC. To be honest, Fitch is far out from a title picture now. He'd have to beat at the very least 2 of the top 6 WWs in the UFC to be in the title picture again. No reason to pay him like they do, even if it's not that much.

Combine that with the ill will that really started with AKA and UFC video game. Once Maia is in WW, there is no need for Fitch. As Maia showed, at 170, he is the better version of Fitch.

Everyone else cut was even close to the top of the second tier, much less all that disappointing to lose. I have tremendous respect for Fitch. He no doubt has the most will of any fighter. He has done the most with the least imo. But times have passed him by.

A warrior forever. But, not UFC title material. If her gives more fvcorable contract terms after a couple wins, you'll see him return if he wants. Otherwise, let him ride into the sunset...
Michael_Corleone
2/20/13 11:40:21PM
This isn't shocking to me what-so-ever. One word, Payroll.

The UFC has new talent coming in from Strikeforce. They have more and more guys coming in from overseas. They have a new Flyweight and Women's division. And they have NINE World Champions that get top pay. People are going to get released from time to time. MMA, or UFC more specificly, isn't a goddamn charity.
cowcatcher
2/20/13 11:46:19PM

Posted by Michael_Corleone

This isn't shocking to me what-so-ever. One word, Payroll.

The UFC has new talent coming in from Strikeforce. They have more and more guys coming in from overseas. They have a new Flyweight and Women's division. And they have NINE World Champions that get top pay. People are going to get released from time to time. MMA, or UFC more specificly, isn't a goddamn charity.



In Fitch's case, especially. He made $66K his last fight and would have had double that with a win. They don't want to pay a guy that's as far out of the title picture as he is now that kind of money. He isn't one of those guys that Dana hears people clamoring to see on a regular basis, so that doesn't help his cause either. I would guess that they'd take him back for less money, but a solid win streak outside of the organization works just as well when it comes to getting back to the big show.
FlashyG
2/20/13 11:49:40PM
I don't get why they would cut him unless they are somehow certain that he'd never be able to contend with the guys at the top of the division.

If they thought he was done as far as title contention it would somewhat make sense to cut him. He'd be a roadblock in the middle of the division de-railing the title hopes of any up and comer unlucky enough to get matched up with him.

Personally though I think having guys like Fitch are valuable especially at 170 because if they can't handle Fitch's wrestling and ground and pound they aren't going to have much of a hope against GSP. Even if he's not going to be in title contention he's the perfect gatekeeper.

He also deserves some loyalty considering the # of times he's fought for Zuffa.

SOme of the other cuts are also strange, makes me wonder if the UFC is hurting financially.

Michael_Corleone
2/21/13 12:02:55AM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by Michael_Corleone

This isn't shocking to me what-so-ever. One word, Payroll.

The UFC has new talent coming in from Strikeforce. They have more and more guys coming in from overseas. They have a new Flyweight and Women's division. And they have NINE World Champions that get top pay. People are going to get released from time to time. MMA, or UFC more specificly, isn't a goddamn charity.



In Fitch's case, especially. He made $66K his last fight and would have had double that with a win. They don't want to pay a guy that's as far out of the title picture as he is now that kind of money. He isn't one of those guys that Dana hears people clamoring to see on a regular basis, so that doesn't help his cause either. I would guess that they'd take him back for less money, but a solid win streak outside of the organization works just as well when it comes to getting back to the big show.



Fitch could end up like Nate Marquardt when he got cut. Sometimes time away from the UFC is what a fighter needs to re-energize their career. Fitch is way too good to be fighting on undercards, IMO. And if/when he comes back he is instantly "in the mix" for a title shot, as long as he doesn't lose while he is away from UFC.
Drudinh
2/21/13 1:10:21AM
this is inexcusable
RhythmAndStyle
2/21/13 1:31:36AM
Fitch - iffy call, but i'm sure it had something to do with his style, thats just me thou
Prado - i agreed, 2 sub. losses is never a good thing
Russow - agree d
Volkman - questionable, but im guessing his style and the way he handle himself inside the cage were factors
Vlady - agreed
Mills - could have gave him one more shot aganist another striker
Hieron - agreed, he has never won in any of his UFC chances
Etim - the truth hurts but i agree with this one
Sass - questionable?
Santiago - def gotta go
Stumpf, Keith, Tazuka - agreed
Grispi - should have been cut a while ago tbh
Gomez - blow his chances, as his last fight was a gimme in a way, but he f*cked it up!

just my 2cents on the fighrers that got cut..
snakeplissken
2/21/13 6:04:02AM
The UFC's loss is regional MMA Orgs gain. Plus a few wins on the indy circuit and they'll be called back.

In the cases of Etim, Mills & Sass, us here in the UK will be fighting over getting them signed. I can't see many of them being out of work for too long. Not just Bellator, but WSOF, XFC, One FC, SFL, RFA, BAMMA UK, Cage Warriors etc. will likely pick them all up between them.

Theoutlaw08
2/21/13 8:53:28AM

Posted by cowcatcher

After thinking it over, I guess this is a notice to all the fighters on the roster that just winning isn't enough, the UFC brass wants you to be exciting above all else. Everyone else in this thread has mentioned guys still on the roster with worse UFC records than some of the guys that got cut, and it goes to show that there is a premium being put on putting on a show. I'm not saying I agree with it, it's just easy to see.

EDIT: Let's not forget that Dana has had problems with Fitch/AKA in the past, and I'm sure that stuff played a role in this even if it wasn't the biggest factor.



THIS. Ive read every post as well. Seen some names of guys that bring it every fight. Dana was never pleased with Fitch's style of fighting. Dana wants guys that put it all on the line.
Dberntson
2/21/13 9:10:01AM
This has to set a record for the most comments / posts for a topic on the playground. I agree with everyone else, this is ridiculous. I am guessing its his contract price tag to show.
Franklinfan47
2/21/13 11:27:58AM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Franklinfan47

BELLATOR 106: ASKREN VS FITCH

BATTLE OF THE BLANKETS

I was shocked by some of these but really Grispi, Santiago, Keith, etc were a long time coming



Fitch isn't a blanket. Absurd statement.

And Santiago getting cut is a long time coming? It was his first fight back in the UFC.



I cant tell if youre being sarcastic, but if Fitch isnt a blanket, why is he being cut? His record is like 14-3 in the UFC. And why were people saying Maia out-fitched Fitch when he layed on his back for 3 rounds?

And Santiago is 1-5 in the UFC. Just because its his first fight back of his 3rd stint doesnt change the fact he cant win a ufc fight anymore.
scoozna
2/21/13 1:39:49PM
There's a clear financial advantage to letting some of the top fighters go while bringing in new(er) fighters for much less money, knowing they haven't proven themselves yet.

Perhaps the UFC is looking to run a little leaner in 2013 due to their expansion efforts and declining economies (not just in the US). They do run a risk by trying to "start up" in many other countries where they probably have to take a bit of a loss for a period of time until they gain popularity and start pulling in big money.

If they start/continue doing more non-US shows, i think we can expect more of this. If we see a decline in the number of non-US shows, I think you'll see a reversal.
alienkiller89
2/21/13 4:35:31PM
Man... people are really butt hurt over fitch being cut. Yeah, i don't agree with him being cut, but i also don't agree with bashing dana white or the other guys of the ufc front office because we simply do NOT know what happened here. Obviously, there has to be some other explanation of why the ufc released fitch, who has a ridiculous record with the organization. Honestly tho, i don't care too much to see fitch in or out of the ufc. He's in no way, shape or form a top 5 welterweight... just stop that talk. I can name like 8 or 9 fighters better than him, barely even a top 10 guy. He was a very boring fighter, and he fights like what... twice a year?? Who cares? I don't dislike the guy or think he's a bad person, but i can't say that i know the guy either, or that i looked forward to seeing his bouts. Still shocking to me though, i wonder what happened between him and dana. Look... dana and the ufc gives the fighters a very laid back sort of environment where the fighters have a freedom of speech and say pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, without severe consequences. Perhaps this was one of those situations where a fighter, in this case fitch, voiced his opinion or displeasure about something, and dana gave him the axe. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Sometimes we will never even know that there is even a problem with a particular fighter until like a few weeks or even months down the road. We just don't know what happened. Fitch is not winning a title and was most likely never getting another title shot again in his ufc career. He was pretty much about to reach "gatekeeper" status, as far as i'm concerned. Not washed up, but a lot like koscheck in that, he just couldn't win the big one. He never quite evolved his game enough, not even as much as koscheck did... and does anyone here even think that koscheck is winning a title anytime soon??
Shawn91111
2/21/13 4:49:19PM

Posted by alienkiller89

Man... people are really butt hurt over fitch being cut. Yeah, i don't agree with him being cut, but i also don't agree with bashing dana white or the other guys of the ufc front office because we simply do NOT know what happened here. Obviously, there has to be some other explanation of why the ufc released fitch, who has a ridiculous record with the organization. Honestly tho, i don't care too much to see fitch in or out of the ufc. He's in no way, shape or form a top 5 welterweight... just stop that talk. I can name like 8 or 9 fighters better than him, barely even a top 10 guy. He was a very boring fighter, and he fights like what... twice a year?? Who cares? I don't dislike the guy or think he's a bad person, but i can't say that i know the guy either, or that i looked forward to seeing his bouts. Still shocking to me though, i wonder what happened between him and dana. Look... dana and the ufc gives the fighters a very laid back sort of environment where the fighters have a freedom of speech and say pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, without severe consequences. Perhaps this was one of those situations where a fighter, in this case fitch, voiced his opinion or displeasure about something, and dana gave him the axe. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Sometimes we will never even know that there is even a problem with a particular fighter until like a few weeks or even months down the road. We just don't know what happened. Fitch is not winning a title and was most likely never getting another title shot again in his ufc career. He was pretty much about to reach "gatekeeper" status, as far as i'm concerned. Not washed up, but a lot like koscheck in that, he just couldn't win the big one. He never quite evolved his game enough, not even as much as koscheck did... and does anyone here even think that koscheck is winning a title anytime soon??




Go ahead, I'll wait.
40ouncetofreedom
2/21/13 4:54:12PM

Posted by Shawn91111


Posted by alienkiller89

Man... people are really butt hurt over fitch being cut. Yeah, i don't agree with him being cut, but i also don't agree with bashing dana white or the other guys of the ufc front office because we simply do NOT know what happened here. Obviously, there has to be some other explanation of why the ufc released fitch, who has a ridiculous record with the organization. Honestly tho, i don't care too much to see fitch in or out of the ufc. He's in no way, shape or form a top 5 welterweight... just stop that talk. I can name like 8 or 9 fighters better than him, barely even a top 10 guy. He was a very boring fighter, and he fights like what... twice a year?? Who cares? I don't dislike the guy or think he's a bad person, but i can't say that i know the guy either, or that i looked forward to seeing his bouts. Still shocking to me though, i wonder what happened between him and dana. Look... dana and the ufc gives the fighters a very laid back sort of environment where the fighters have a freedom of speech and say pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, without severe consequences. Perhaps this was one of those situations where a fighter, in this case fitch, voiced his opinion or displeasure about something, and dana gave him the axe. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Sometimes we will never even know that there is even a problem with a particular fighter until like a few weeks or even months down the road. We just don't know what happened. Fitch is not winning a title and was most likely never getting another title shot again in his ufc career. He was pretty much about to reach "gatekeeper" status, as far as i'm concerned. Not washed up, but a lot like koscheck in that, he just couldn't win the big one. He never quite evolved his game enough, not even as much as koscheck did... and does anyone here even think that koscheck is winning a title anytime soon??




Go ahead, I'll wait.



LOL, Maybe if you're talking every weight class combined.

he's easily top 10 welterweight.
Poor_Franklin
2/21/13 5:03:59PM

Posted by alienkiller89

Man... people are really butt hurt over fitch being cut. Yeah, i don't agree with him being cut, but i also don't agree with bashing dana white or the other guys of the ufc front office because we simply do NOT know what happened here.

Obviously, there has to be some other explanation of why the ufc released fitch, who has a ridiculous record with the organization. Honestly tho, i don't care too much to see fitch in or out of the ufc. He's in no way, shape or form a top 5 welterweight... just stop that talk. I can name like 8 or 9 fighters better than him, barely even a top 10 guy. He was a very boring fighter, and he fights like what... twice a year?? Who cares? I don't dislike the guy or think he's a bad person, but i can't say that i know the guy either, or that i looked forward to seeing his bouts.

Still shocking to me though, i wonder what happened between him and dana. Look... dana and the ufc gives the fighters a very laid back sort of environment where the fighters have a freedom of speech and say pretty much whatever they want, whenever they want, without severe consequences. Perhaps this was one of those situations where a fighter, in this case fitch, voiced his opinion or displeasure about something, and dana gave him the axe. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Sometimes we will never even know that there is even a problem with a particular fighter until like a few weeks or even months down the road. We just don't know what happened.

Fitch is not winning a title and was most likely never getting another title shot again in his ufc career. He was pretty much about to reach "gatekeeper" status, as far as i'm concerned. Not washed up, but a lot like koscheck in that, he just couldn't win the big one. He never quite evolved his game enough, not even as much as koscheck did... and does anyone here even think that koscheck is winning a title anytime soon??



i thought i'd make this easier for everyone to read
Shawn91111
2/21/13 5:12:56PM
Dana White on the possible Video Game Theory

Ariel Helwani ?@arielhelwani
On if he was fired over video game deal: "Are you f'n shitting me?!" "I don't have one ounce of hate for Fitch."


Ariel Helwani ?@arielhelwani
Dana says they are over 100 guys on the roster. The releases aren't over, he says.
Pookie
2/21/13 5:13:18PM
HAHAHAHAH holy shit.

I cant believe they cut Sass.
ncordless
2/21/13 5:16:10PM
Fitch has never been a favorite of Zuffa. His fights are rather boring, he's death for other contenders, etc.

Also, don't forget that Fitch was dropped before for not wanting to give away all his likeness rights for the video game. Zuffa has always seen Fitch as more of a liability than an asset. A boring fighter that's not a company man is a hard path to cut in MMA these days.


As for the rest of the fighters dropped, I'd have liked to see a couple more get another fight, but the UFC is going to be thinning the ranks hard all year, and lots of these guys might actually benefit from going to a small promo and getting a win or two before they get another UFC fight.


The UFC is looking at it like this: If the fighter is on the roster, they pick up his health insurance. If he isn't on the roster, they don't. Given that most of the guys who are not on the roster will jump at the chance to join up again, the UFC can benefit from not having the guys on the roster until they have a fight coming up. That way, if they get hurt training, the UFC doesn't pick up the bill.
ncordless
2/21/13 5:19:48PM

Posted by Shawn91111

Dana White on the possible Video Game Theory

Ariel Helwani ?@arielhelwani
On if he was fired over video game deal: "Are you f'n shitting me?!" "I don't have one ounce of hate for Fitch."


Ariel Helwani ?@arielhelwani
Dana says they are over 100 guys on the roster. The releases aren't over, he says.



Anyone else find it hard to believe a single thing Dana says about whether he has a personal grudge or not?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, we won't get fooled again. - Gdub
kopower
2/21/13 8:29:39PM
I don't believe anything that comes out of uncle Dana's mouth. Remember when he swore Strikeforce wasn't going anywhere.
Poor_Franklin
2/21/13 8:46:11PM
now the twitterverse is saying Bjorn Rebney says he has no intentions of signing Jon Fitch
george112
2/21/13 8:49:31PM
ahh if only Pride were still around.....
aussiemma
2/22/13 2:40:31AM
i guess the level to get into the ufc just got that much higher.
BillsNewAccount
2/22/13 11:55:12AM

Posted by kopower

I don't believe anything that comes out of uncle Dana's mouth. Remember when he swore Strikeforce wasn't going anywhere.



DW said Jake Shields v Ed Herman would be a barn burner.
Bubbles
2/22/13 4:21:10PM
Dan Hardy
Wanderlei Silva
Leonard Garcia
Pat Barry
Steve Cantwell
Mac Danzig
Matt Brown
Fabio Maldonado
Chris Leben

All of these guys have been on worse streaks against far shittier competition, yet Fitch is the one to go. The 3rd best WW in UFC history, one of the best records in UFC history and is cut.

MMA is a SPORT first and foremost. Excitement and all of that crap is secondary to WINNING. Ask Greg Popovich if he cares about what fans think of his team's style. In the words of Herm Edwards, "you play to win the game." But apparently you can lose (and lose bad) and still keep your job in the UFC. Name another sport where that happens. Under this same logic, Tom Brady should be sent packing for not being able to win since 2005. Andy Murray (prior to his major win last year) should have gone to play on a local circuit. Carl Edwards should no longer be in Nascar. Chris Paul should be in the D-League.

How can the UFC claim they have the best of the best when they pull shit like this? I don't understand the logic of signing half the TUF house who have zero chance at cracking the top 15. Making $60,000 a fight is no where near being too expensive. If DFW could stop gambling hundreds of thousands of dollars, he has nothing to worry about.
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