JON BONES JONES, THE NEW CHAMPION!

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TS92turbo
3/20/11 1:04:24AM
I would hate to say I told you guys so, but...I TOLD YOU SO. Jon Jones is a Monster. I was expecting for Shogun to maintain him a little better, but no! Bones is going to have a really bright future in the UFC. Urijah Faber put on a good performance, really hope he gets that title shot. Jim Miller put on a good fight. Dan Miller actually had a decent bout with Nate. I liked that fight. Cro Cop got LAYED OUT! I didnt think Schaub had it in him...

SIDE NOTE : Luiz Cane looked impressive in his prelim bout. KO in 2:15 in the 1st.
ncordless
3/20/11 1:11:23AM
I thought Cro Cop looked as good as we've seen him since 2006 until he got caught.
GraMMA
3/20/11 1:17:26AM
Total domination,Shogun did well to last as long as he did.It seemed to me like Bones could have finished him in rd 1 except he backed off and seemed to take a little break.I think it was a big adrenaline dump.I am glad it went longer though.
Rashad vs Jones will probably get more hype than this one did and perhaps be a better fight.
Jesse_Canadian_MMA
3/20/11 1:21:47AM
So Happy he won...that fight didnt even seem fair...so unmatched in every single aspect of mma...
To the 205 division...so you fight to a title contention and to a title fight and now for all your hard work in the octagon we award you the receiving end of Jon Jones, elbows, knees, fists, feet and slams...congrats and good luck to all haha.
Chael_Sonnen
3/20/11 1:22:58AM
I called it perfectly...TKO in rd 3....good night for fantasy
Drudinh
3/20/11 1:28:57AM
I was totally surprised with CroCop. IMO The best that he has been in the UFC but is nothing like the one we remember from Pride. I wish he let more kicks go. He was head hunting and didn't work any low kicks. I always thought he had better TD defense but he did great at getting up after being taken down. It was great until that nasty hit from Schaub... AS far as johnny Jones goes... The kid is a new breed of beast. Quick. looked like he was pacing himself against Shogun. I am excited to see what he does in the division. A couple fights that could be interesting would be if Thiago or Phil Davis could win a few more then title. At this time I could care less about seeing Rashad coming off a long layoff and fighting his old partner.
postman
3/20/11 1:29:38AM

Posted by TS92turbo

I would hate to say I told you guys so, but...I TOLD YOU SO.



Dude your acting like you just called Douglas vs Tyson. He was favored to win and more people on the playground were going with Jones.
Budgellism
3/20/11 1:30:46AM
I said I was positive Shogun would win and that if I were wrong I would admit it. Well here I am. I was wrong.

I didn't even get to see the fights... So pissed off at my idiot friends for being late and we couldn't get into any bars. The fight I was most excited for so far this year and I missed it...
tmas
3/20/11 1:41:58AM
soooooo.....NOW DO U BELIEVE THE "HYPE"?
zxandu
3/20/11 5:53:18AM
What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.
ncordless
3/20/11 6:13:36AM

Posted by zxandu

What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.
jjeans
3/20/11 8:46:06AM

Posted by postman


Posted by TS92turbo

I would hate to say I told you guys so, but...I TOLD YOU SO.



Dude your acting like you just called Douglas vs Tyson. He was favored to win and more people on the playground were going with Jones.



To TS92turbo


Dude you got #1683 out of 3481 I know I didn't do better, but before you start banging on about getting one pick right, try stringing hot bouts together, make picks on those, its not like you picked an upset, you picked a solid favourite. A lot of people had Jones to win... 1772 which is more than Shoguns 1493
ThaAxeMurderer7
3/20/11 9:56:22AM
I guess congratulations are in order. You predicted that Jones would come in and smash Rua and you were right. There's only one problem with that though. The Rua that was in that cage last night was not the same fighter that fought 10 months earlier. If you think that the Shogun you saw last night was the same Shogun that destroyed Lyoto in his last fight then you are badly mistaken. We've all seen how Shogun looks after undergoing knee surgery in his first fight back. Ten months later and Shogun lost to a very talented Jon Jones in a fight that would have been very different, in my opinion, had this taken place last year rather than last night.

TBH I was pissed watching the fight unfold last night as I'm sure other fans of Shogun were as well. What pisses me off more is you coming on here and gloating as if you called the impossible. People don't do that on this site dude. Not to mention, it's against site rules.
TS92turbo
3/20/11 12:22:41PM

Posted by jjeans


Posted by postman


Posted by TS92turbo

I would hate to say I told you guys so, but...I TOLD YOU SO.



Dude your acting like you just called Douglas vs Tyson. He was favored to win and more people on the playground were going with Jones.



To TS92turbo


Dude you got #1683 out of 3481 I know I didn't do better, but before you start banging on about getting one pick right, try stringing hot bouts together, make picks on those, its not like you picked an upset, you picked a solid favourite. A lot of people had Jones to win... 1772 which is more than Shoguns 1493



Most of the people that picked shogun, hated Jones. Saying, Shogun is gonna take him back down to earth, break his knee, knee him in the face, muay thai him to death etc. I am just saying that for those who didnt believe in Jones. And BTW, about the whole scoring, I dont pay enough attention to Preliminary fighters to actually make a pick. I just go look at their records, and who they have fought, then make my decision. I called Jones perfectly though. RD3 TKO. I had Cro Cop winning, but Schaub is just a beast. I thought Urijah would tapout Wineland, but it went to decision.
TS92turbo
3/20/11 12:25:35PM

Posted by ThaAxeMurderer7

I guess congratulations are in order. You predicted that Jones would come in and smash Rua and you were right. There's only one problem with that though. The Rua that was in that cage last night was not the same fighter that fought 10 months earlier. If you think that the Shogun you saw last night was the same Shogun that destroyed Lyoto in his last fight then you are badly mistaken. We've all seen how Shogun looks after undergoing knee surgery in his first fight back. Ten months later and Shogun lost to a very talented Jon Jones in a fight that would have been very different, in my opinion, had this taken place last year rather than last night.

TBH I was pissed watching the fight unfold last night as I'm sure other fans of Shogun were as well. What pisses me off more is you coming on here and gloating as if you called the impossible. People don't do that on this site dude. Not to mention, it's against site rules.



(with the the first paragraph). Anyways, I was really upset with Shoguns performance, it was either of the two. 1. Jones cannot be touched, or 2. Shogun was not on his game, and had a bit of ring rust. I mean, Shogun one of my favorite fighters, but I was getting really tired of people saying Jones was all hype.
zxandu
3/20/11 8:14:31PM

Posted by ncordless


Posted by zxandu

What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.
ncordless
3/20/11 8:23:03PM

Posted by zxandu


Posted by ncordless


Posted by zxandu

What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



Don't worry. Competition always equalizes eventually.
sonicsmokesweed
3/20/11 9:58:34PM
It was a good fight.
postman
3/20/11 11:39:54PM

Posted by zxandu


Posted by ncordless


Posted by zxandu

What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



Really? All we talk about is how great Tyson was and how awesome it was to see him murder everyone. How about Ali? Mayweather? Pac Man? Want MMA? Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Wandy Fedor? Now Anderson and GSP! I love the domination and wondering who will be the next to beat them. Cause it will happen at some point. By that time you have a run and the belt bounces around a bit then you find the new champ. I think its cool. Not to mention I always want to see the most skilled fighters at their best.
The_Metal_Maniac
3/21/11 7:58:55AM
I want to see Jones vs. Phil Davis
zxandu
3/22/11 4:50:25AM

Posted by postman


Posted by zxandu


Posted by ncordless


Posted by zxandu

What bothers me is the talent gap. What IF Jones really IS that good. In a heads up match-up between Jones and Evans, I would have to take Jones at this point.

But seriously, how good can Jones be? I saw nothing that would make him a victim of the 'Dana White Hype Machine.' The guy has out right skills; the guy put up, as opposed to the Brock Lesnar shut up. But in Brock's defense, he did show he can win in diverse fashions.

But thinking about that question, being that Shogun KO'd Machida and that Shogun was supposed to be healthy for this last past loss; was Shogun really that bad of a match up? Or was Shogun really that much better than Machida?

Is Jones far more talented than both of the Brazilian beasts? Shogun is a very good fighter, and I never doubt my guy Lyoto; but HOLY SH#T!

Jones looked like a Lion on a Gazelle; I think Jones has the ability to impose his will on anyone on the Light Heavy division right now.

I think Dana White let a tiger loose in a school bus full of kids and shut the doors! Jones was the definition of (inset comment here).

Talent Gap, that's my only concern. The Light Heavy has been the most competitive division in the UFC for a few years, IMO.



Think about this. . . Jones has only been training MMA for three years. When Shogun's UFC debut loss to to Forrest happened before Jon Jones had even started to train for MMA.

That could be either good or bad for the talent gap. It might be bad in the sense that Jones might have a ways to go before he reaches full potential. It might be good in the sense that there could be someone out there right now who hasn't even trained yet who will kick Jones' ass in three years.



That's a great way to look at it. I mean I saw nothing in his game that was bad. He leaves me wanting nothing, and the guy just pounced on Shogun. I just don't want to see the Light Heavys become like the 170 and 185. Two guys run the division for a long time. Diversity is always a good thing.



Really? All we talk about is how great Tyson was and how awesome it was to see him murder everyone. How about Ali? Mayweather? Pac Man? Want MMA? Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Wandy Fedor? Now Anderson and GSP! I love the domination and wondering who will be the next to beat them. Cause it will happen at some point. By that time you have a run and the belt bounces around a bit then you find the new champ. I think its cool. Not to mention I always want to see the most skilled fighters at their best.



MMA I am still learning, but Boxing I am a VIVID. (not porn.) Tyson happen to come into a situation where no one had ever been weaker. The Heavyweight division caught "on-fire" during the 80's not because of the skill, but because Tyson was a 1-hitter-quitter. (Not to that extent.) Tyson happened to have new 2000's power in the late 1980's. There is no boxing expert out there that will tell 'Iron' Mike Tyson was a tech. sound boxer, he just had KO power with both left and right.

And that's sort of the reason why Tyson is a "legend." What I like about MMA is that there is no such thing as an unbeatable fighter, but putting Jones in the match against Shogun, seems like Dana White putting a pitbull in a kennel full of Labs.

It's his league and he can do what he wants, but Jones in the light heavy seems like a situation bound to end up like GSP and Spider.

Fans pay to see them fight, but the match ups don't seem interesting. Because we know who's going to win.

Jones is going to dominate LH, period. He's 23, hasn't hit his physical prime and it's going to cost dana white in the long run.

With MMA
TS92turbo
3/27/11 11:32:47PM

Posted by The_Metal_Maniac

I want to see Jones vs. Phil Davis



Davis just had an impressive win over Lil Nog, but he isnt ready for the belt, and I dont think he will get a title shot.

Jones is fighting Rashad next.

And if Davis did get it, he would have to fight a Top 15 fighter : Matt Hamill, then a Top 10 Fighter : Rampage, or Machida. Then he would fight the Top Contender (If he wins the first two fights) : Shogun, Rashad, etc.

I dont think Davis would make it past a Top 10 fighter (Lil Nog excluded.)
jgtribbett
3/28/11 3:42:10PM
I say bring back someone like hendo. couture. some hardnosed wrestler who can take strikes and is super savvy. I'm not saying that shogun wouldn't be them. But I think a strong wrestler with lots of MMA Experience who can scrap a lil (hendo for example) just to see whats up with jones. It'd be nice to see what jones could do in the face of takedowns. (hamil) doesn't really count. hendo vs hamil in strikes/takedowns is hendo everytime in my opinion. and ofcourse someone like couture brings gameplans that rival jackson's. interesting to me, but I may be way off track.
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