Jens Pulver...Is It Time He Hangs It Up?

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POLL: Should Pulver Retire From Active Competition?
Yes 51% (28)
No 33% (18)
One More Fight At Lightweight First 5% (3)
One More Fight At Featherweight First 5% (3)
Drop To Bantamweight For One More Fight 5% (3)
DCRage
1/26/09 7:48:51AM
If you ask me, yes. It seems to me like Pulver has reached the end of the road. He has now lost 3 in a row and 5 of 6. At this point I see his only way to keep going as move back to Lightweight, a drop to Bantamweight is asking too much. Plus he's got a child now (newborn), and he's 34 and going on 10 years of fighting. He's a great talent, can still draw big, but it's time to hang it up or at least take a step back. MMA and Lightweights in particular are eternally indebted to Pulver for helping them establish a strong US foothold, but he's now a distant shadow of the fighter he once was. I am one who will continue to point to the "booked to win" 48 second KO loss to Joe Lauzon as the beginning of the end. It started his current 1-5 stretch. He hasn't been the same since.
dannyfrank
1/26/09 7:55:15AM
i think that pulver needs to move back to lightweight or he needs to not be fighting such top people in featherweight. they're just too much for him. i still think he has some fight left in him though and as long as he is fighting, i'll be watching and cheering him on

WAR PULVER!!!!!!!
Aaronno9
1/26/09 8:16:10AM
He needs to stop fighting the cream of the crop imo. He should take 1 or 2 more fights against mediocre opponents so he can go out with a W and pick up a little dough to support his family.
casey64
1/26/09 8:46:19AM
IMO, yes.
copcopps
1/26/09 9:07:27AM
Yes I think the Faber Rematch showed this. He could be a good coach though IMO
cowcatcher
1/26/09 9:22:50AM
ive said this same thing in several threads questioning whether or not a guy should retire: not unless he wants to. the guy is putting in a lot of work at the gym, and can still get in there and perform. the guys hes fought lately are a couple of top 10 P4P fighters(one of them twice), the #1 contender for the belt in WEC, and a guy that is headlining the next free UFC card. there arent many guys that could come out the back end of those matches without losing any of them, much less the majority of them.

so now i ask you, who are you to say he should hang em up when hes been fighting TOP FLIGHT competition his past few fights??? the first fight with faber showed that he still can compete, and well, against a guy that is in the bottom half of most top 10 P4P lists, not to mention top 3 in EVERY FW top 10.

the guy faces top flight competition every time out there, and is a threat to beat anyone on any given night, so no he shouldnt retire, not until hes good and ready to at least. lets not just look at 1-5 and end it there, look at who hes faced in those losses and cut the guy some slack.
grappler0000
1/26/09 10:23:46AM

Posted by cowcatcher

ive said this same thing in several threads questioning whether or not a guy should retire: not unless he wants to. the guy is putting in a lot of work at the gym, and can still get in there and perform. the guys hes fought lately are a couple of top 10 P4P fighters(one of them twice), the #1 contender for the belt in WEC, and a guy that is headlining the next free UFC card. there arent many guys that could come out the back end of those matches without losing any of them, much less the majority of them.

so now i ask you, who are you to say he should hang em up when hes been fighting TOP FLIGHT competition his past few fights??? the first fight with faber showed that he still can compete, and well, against a guy that is in the bottom half of most top 10 P4P lists, not to mention top 3 in EVERY FW top 10.

the guy faces top flight competition every time out there, and is a threat to beat anyone on any given night, so no he shouldnt retire, not until hes good and ready to at least. lets not just look at 1-5 and end it there, look at who hes faced in those losses and cut the guy some slack.



Twenty20Dollars
1/26/09 10:24:52AM
I said yes, because what is jens going to do, face lower competition just to gets wins. That doesnt sound like him.

Then if he does keep facing that top competition, I dont want people just building their names off of beating pulver. But its not my decision.
fizzle
1/26/09 11:22:09AM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by cowcatcher

ive said this same thing in several threads questioning whether or not a guy should retire: not unless he wants to. the guy is putting in a lot of work at the gym, and can still get in there and perform. the guys hes fought lately are a couple of top 10 P4P fighters(one of them twice), the #1 contender for the belt in WEC, and a guy that is headlining the next free UFC card. there arent many guys that could come out the back end of those matches without losing any of them, much less the majority of them.

so now i ask you, who are you to say he should hang em up when hes been fighting TOP FLIGHT competition his past few fights??? the first fight with faber showed that he still can compete, and well, against a guy that is in the bottom half of most top 10 P4P lists, not to mention top 3 in EVERY FW top 10.

the guy faces top flight competition every time out there, and is a threat to beat anyone on any given night, so no he shouldnt retire, not until hes good and ready to at least. lets not just look at 1-5 and end it there, look at who hes faced in those losses and cut the guy some slack.






I couldn't agree more. Its similar to when Dan Henderson came to the UFC and lost to both Rampage and Anderson back to back and people started to question his relevancy. Of course this is a little different but Pulver hasn't had an "easy" fight yet. Garcia is fighting for the strap next, Faber just relinquished the strap, I mean this is top of the heap competition.
scoozna
1/26/09 11:26:19AM
I say no, he's 34, so he's getting older, but not there yet. Like said previously, it's up to him. He's still a force, just not at the top anymore.

I thought the question of "relevancy" was pretty rude by the dude doing the post-fight interview. I thought that was going too far, disrespectful directly after a fight.
cowcatcher
1/26/09 11:33:22AM

Posted by scoozna

I thought the question of "relevancy" was pretty rude by the dude doing the post-fight interview. I thought that was going too far, disrespectful directly after a fight.



thats a fantastic thing that i forgot to mention, who is this clown (who probably has a degree in comm arts or some other bs major and never has been in the cage or ring himself) to ask jens a question like that??? i was furious when he said that, but as usual jens was all class, you might not think hes the best fighter in the world, but you cannot deny that he is 100% class and handled himself better than 99% of the population would had they been asked that about their relevance in a chosen field right after a hard day at the office.
Franklinfan47
1/26/09 11:39:27AM
He's at the point where he probably should hang it up because he doesn't really have alot more to prove. He will probably never be a champion again, so I don't see how relavant he is anymore.

That said, I think if he has the will and desire to keep going then more power to him.
scoozna
1/26/09 11:44:19AM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by scoozna

I thought the question of "relevancy" was pretty rude by the dude doing the post-fight interview. I thought that was going too far, disrespectful directly after a fight.



thats a fantastic thing that i forgot to mention, who is this clown (who probably has a degree in comm arts or some other bs major and never has been in the cage or ring himself) to ask jens a question like that??? i was furious when he said that, but as usual jens was all class, you might not think hes the best fighter in the world, but you cannot deny that he is 100% class and handled himself better than 99% of the population would had they been asked that about their relevance in a chosen field right after a hard day at the office.



I'm glad you caught that too, I was yelling at the TV as well.
Gipper
1/26/09 11:59:28AM
WAR JENS PULVER

so much respect for that guy

stick around jens.......please!
mrsmiley
1/27/09 6:32:55AM
Man it seems crazy.
I remember back during his first fight with Penn some people were wondering if Jens was possibly the most well rounded fighter in all of MMA.
Fast forward a few years and people wonder if he should retire.

I agree with what Chuck Liddell says about the big "R" word.
If you train just as well,even if you've lost a few,you should keep going.
Never let a loss dictate whether your career is over or not.Let how you train deciede that.

Jens is possibly one of the most underappreciated fighters alive today.
I say he should fight a few more.
aaa9erh8er
1/27/09 1:50:17PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I said yes, because what is jens going to do, face lower competition just to gets wins. That doesnt sound like him.

Then if he does keep facing that top competition, I dont want people just building their names off of beating pulver. But its not my decision.


well said. but as far as i go if he fights ill root for him hes not boring at all and hes a good guy imo
MattHughesRules
1/27/09 2:03:08PM
I will never want to see Jens Pulver stop fighting. In my opinion this isn't the end of him. I think he still has the ability to draw big and put on entertaining fights. Faber is the best FW in the world....despite the loss to Mike Brown. No shame in losing to that guy twice. I would agree maybe a step down in competition would be best but I still want to see him in the cage. His title runs may be long behind him but Lil' Evil still has some bombs left in him.
bls1919
1/28/09 9:06:43PM
At 35 with all of his expierience i say no. But it has to come from Jens. He has to really want to fight, that is if he wants to win. He needs some time off to recuperate and get over this "hill" he has com against( 1 win in last 6 fights) i hope we havent seen the last of Lil Evil
breakdown5
1/28/09 10:08:53PM
I think he would be a great gate keeper for the featherweight division. He's been getting thrown to the wolves in his past fights (2 against Faber, and one against Garcia, the number one contender). Give him some up and comers and see how he fairs.

He's well rounded enough, but at this point not great at really anything. He brings the fight and is an entertaining fighter. He's the perfect litmus test for the division. When he starts getting destroyed by chumps, then its time to hang 'em up.
pv3Hpv3p
1/29/09 9:54:11AM
I love Jens, but it's about time to hang them up... I did vote for a drop to bantam though, if he could pull it off, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt all over again
ToeZup
1/29/09 1:14:03PM
Well put smiley. I think Jens has a few fights left. He should stop fighting Faber and get back on track with some "other" competition if you know what I mean. Jens is a fighter at heart, he should just keep training and get back in the groove. He is more than capable of doing that. Don't forget about what he did to Cub no too long ago.


Posted by mrsmiley

Man it seems crazy.
I remember back during his first fight with Penn some people were wondering if Jens was possibly the most well rounded fighter in all of MMA.
Fast forward a few years and people wonder if he should retire.

I agree with what Chuck Liddell says about the big "R" word.
If you train just as well,even if you've lost a few,you should keep going.
Never let a loss dictate whether your career is over or not.Let how you train deciede that.

Jens is possibly one of the most underappreciated fighters alive today.
I say he should fight a few more.

Bobbymma
1/29/09 10:21:37PM

Posted by cowcatcher

ive said this same thing in several threads questioning whether or not a guy should retire: not unless he wants to. the guy is putting in a lot of work at the gym, and can still get in there and perform. the guys hes fought lately are a couple of top 10 P4P fighters(one of them twice), the #1 contender for the belt in WEC, and a guy that is headlining the next free UFC card. there arent many guys that could come out the back end of those matches without losing any of them, much less the majority of them.

so now i ask you, who are you to say he should hang em up when hes been fighting TOP FLIGHT competition his past few fights??? the first fight with faber showed that he still can compete, and well, against a guy that is in the bottom half of most top 10 P4P lists, not to mention top 3 in EVERY FW top 10.

the guy faces top flight competition every time out there, and is a threat to beat anyone on any given night, so no he shouldnt retire, not until hes good and ready to at least. lets not just look at 1-5 and end it there, look at who hes faced in those losses and cut the guy some slack.

ShoriKid
2/17/09 7:23:52AM
Jens quits when he wants to. In his last series of fights, he has faced BJ Penn, Faber(twice) and Garcia. 2 of those fights were against top end PFP fighters. He forced Faber to a decision. Who did that last? His second fight against Faber he was facing a ton of personal issues and apparnetly asked for the fight to be postponed. WEC wanted the fight right then, so he stepped up. WEC has done more to hurt Jens record than anyone else. Losing to the champ in that decision was nothing to be ashamed of. WEC should have then put him down against the no. 3 or 4 contender and have a few fights there so he could fine tune his training before working back to a title shot.

If a couple of losses, passing 30 and a child mean its time to retire, how many loses before people are calling for BJ to retire?
DCRage
6/8/09 11:55:33AM
OK, time to revisit the original question again after last night. I now believe it's time. No more fighting, he just doesn't have what it takes for WEC anymore. I believe he does have a future in training though, stay close to the game and help up-and-coming fighters improve theirs.
TNPanther78
6/8/09 12:41:46PM
I think so!
Kpro
6/8/09 1:20:03PM
I think its his call.

I don't believe in tarnishing legacies in MMA (YET)

In sports like basketball, football, etc. ? Sure, you've already made $100,000,000+ if you have a legacy to tarnish.

In MMA ? You've probably made a million if you have a LW/FW legacy to tarnish.

Keep fighting if you need the money, as long as you/re getting your post-fight career going at the same time; whether it be training, writing, speaking, etc.
Franklinfan47
6/8/09 10:37:28PM
Been saying this since his 2nd loss in the wec, but I really think its time. It pains to watch him keep losing, even if it is to good fighters.
deezyo
6/8/09 11:34:01PM
bring in kid and let them fight before he retires
runningman08
6/21/09 3:57:49AM
Sorry to say but i feel he should retire. Hes a true legend. I have so much respect for him but this happens to every athlete sooner or later where it seems like nothing is going right. It feels really bad when your a fan that has been watching MMA since the early days of UFC and you kind of see a fighter make his debut and you see him make his retirement. Its like your there with them through out there career.
Wolfenstein
6/21/09 11:13:26PM
He's losing to top guys, so there's no shame in that. He pulled off a pretty awesome submission over Cub Swanson recently. When Jens starts losing to the Joe Schmoes of the world, then it's time to hang em' up.
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