Posted by isk
While I think GSP is gonna win decisively, I like Shields' moxie. This is exactly the kind of attitude a fighter needs.

Posted by State_Champ
I'd give Jake more of a chance against Spider Silva than GSP.
GSP is a horrible style match-up for Jake Shields, imo.
Posted by Makaveli158
I agree. I can easily see Shields grinding out a UD or even submitting GSP. Very few are giving Shields any chance at all which is amazing considering his record and grappling credentials. Shields current win streak is almost twice as long as GSPs and it isn't like Shields has been fighting nobodies. Kampmann, Hendo, Miller, Lawler, Daley, Condit, Okami.
Shields will be GSPs toughest opponent since BJ Penn and I gotta say for everyone that is giving Shields **** - I hope he wins just to shut people up.
Still, I think Shields has a better chance against Silva then he does against GSP matchup wise. How awesome would it be if by years end Shields is the UFC MW and WW champ?
GSP better be working with his hands a lot - its the only way I see him beating Shields imo.
Posted by Makaveli158
You bring up very good points. There is no question that GSP will outstrike Shields - that is why Shields needs to take this fight to the ground. But I agree with just about everything you say.
One point of contention I have though is the comparison in wrestling. I consider GSP to be perhaps the best wrestler in MMA also. But I don't think GSP has exactly fought a wrestler like Shields. Shields does not have explosive takedowns - but he has also proven that he doesn't need them. He always finds a way to take the fight to the ground. Look at the Kampmann fight, Shields was completely gassed and he still exerted his control. He controlled Hendo for 4 rounds also, but you are right Hendo wasn't exactly running at top performance - but still Hendo is easily one of the top wrestlers to ever step into the Octagon and he still got dominated on the ground. Shields is going to be the strongest, heaviest wrestler that GSP has fought, it will not have the same dynamic as fighting a Fitch or a Koscheck. And don't forget, Koscheck did get takedowns against GSP; in their first fight and in their recent fight. If Kos can do it - Shields can do it.
People make fun of Shields and call him a blanket - that is exactly what he is, a lead blanket. I think if his condition is right that he can out-muscle GSP on the ground. Remember that shields has been fighting at 185 for the past few years. To sum it up; GSP is a master wrestler, but I think Shields can recreate his performance vs Hendo and surprise everyone with how good his wrestling really is.
The only point that I really disagree with is the Jitsu. Shields is a Cesar Gracie black belt. No Cesar Gracie black belt has ever been submitted in MMA. I believe there are 3 Cesar blackbelts - Nick, Jake, and David Terrel - They have nearly 70 fights between them and not once have they been submitted in MMA. This is the best Jits gets far as I am concerned and I don't see GSP touching Jake here. If he couldn't submit Hardy then I'll eat my hat before he submits Jake. Shields has 11 submissions; although none against exactly top opponents.
Shields will be looking for a UD grind win first and foremost; but if there is an opening for a submission he will take it and you don't want to be locked in a submission against Shields- you don't escape. Don't forget that Shields submitted Fitch in a grappling match, along with submitting the guy who submitted GSP in ADCC.
So that's how I see it. It's going to be a rough fight for Shields, but if he can get GSP down and exert his control over him like he's known for, or utilize his Jits - then its his fight to win.
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Posted by Makaveli158
You bring up very good points. There is no question that GSP will outstrike Shields - that is why Shields needs to take this fight to the ground. But I agree with just about everything you say.
One point of contention I have though is the comparison in wrestling. I consider GSP to be perhaps the best wrestler in MMA also. But I don't think GSP has exactly fought a wrestler like Shields. Shields does not have explosive takedowns - but he has also proven that he doesn't need them. He always finds a way to take the fight to the ground. Look at the Kampmann fight, Shields was completely gassed and he still exerted his control. He controlled Hendo for 4 rounds also, but you are right Hendo wasn't exactly running at top performance - but still Hendo is easily one of the top wrestlers to ever step into the Octagon and he still got dominated on the ground. Shields is going to be the strongest, heaviest wrestler that GSP has fought, it will not have the same dynamic as fighting a Fitch or a Koscheck. And don't forget, Koscheck did get takedowns against GSP; in their first fight and in their recent fight. If Kos can do it - Shields can do it.
People make fun of Shields and call him a blanket - that is exactly what he is, a lead blanket. I think if his condition is right that he can out-muscle GSP on the ground. Remember that shields has been fighting at 185 for the past few years. To sum it up; GSP is a master wrestler, but I think Shields can recreate his performance vs Hendo and surprise everyone with how good his wrestling really is.
The only point that I really disagree with is the Jitsu. Shields is a Cesar Gracie black belt. No Cesar Gracie black belt has ever been submitted in MMA. I believe there are 3 Cesar blackbelts - Nick, Jake, and David Terrel - They have nearly 70 fights between them and not once have they been submitted in MMA. This is the best Jits gets far as I am concerned and I don't see GSP touching Jake here. If he couldn't submit Hardy then I'll eat my hat before he submits Jake. Shields has 11 submissions; although none against exactly top opponents.
Shields will be looking for a UD grind win first and foremost; but if there is an opening for a submission he will take it and you don't want to be locked in a submission against Shields- you don't escape. Don't forget that Shields submitted Fitch in a grappling match, along with submitting the guy who submitted GSP in ADCC.
So that's how I see it. It's going to be a rough fight for Shields, but if he can get GSP down and exert his control over him like he's known for, or utilize his Jits - then its his fight to win.
Don't get me wrong, GSP can be taken down, but NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY has been able to control or keep him there since he became "GSP."
Shields is fighting an uphill battle against GSP in terms of grappling. Shields did control Kampmann, but the Hitman isn't nearly as proficient in all areas as GSP. Usually Shields can use one aspect of his game to transition to another.
In this instance, I think he's outmatched (on paper) or at least equaled in all aspects.
You're right, I won't be picking GSP to submit Shields, but that's not why I brought up GSP's training with Donaher. I brought it up because Shields usually has a vastly superior working and practical knowledge of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu before he ever enters the cage.
By virtue of being a C. Gracie black belt, that's often enough of an advantage to allow him to pull off slick and high-level submissions. Mostly because, like Diaz, you never see them coming because you're not trained to defend against that level of skill.
With Donaher, however, GSP WILL be able to defend and recognize the set-ups that Shields will use. Donaher basically lives at Renzo's gym. He's a student of one of the best BJJ artists in the world and he's very much a student of the game. GSP is also a student of the game and takes his training very seriously. He only brings in the very best to impart their wisdom upon him.
That knowledge gives GSP, coupled with his abilities, at least equal footing in the submission department by, if nothing else, the ability to neutralize Shields' biggest weapon.
I think that one crucial aspect of GSP's game that nobody mentions along side Shields being a lead blanket on that ground is GSP's work ethic. You don't outwork GSP. GSP will make Shields work for EVERY INCH of position and that will tire out Shields more than GSP. I have seen GSP go five plenty of times and still look completely refreshed after working the entire match.
I can't say the same about Shields.
Posted by bjj1605
He's the most dangerous challenger since Alves (and those two with BJ Penn are his toughest challenges overall).