Interesting question (about Liddell)

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sleevey
5/12/07 1:13:15PM
I just read this question on Sherdog, yet there ws not any good answers there (what a surpise). But what are your thoughts on this?



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Let's say at UFC 71, Chuck destroys Jackson. On that same night Houston Alexander pulls a major upset and defeats Keith Jardine. Then at UFC 73, Tito dominates Rashad Evans. Then you have the fact that they said no UFC vs. PRIDE matches until the Superbowl thing.

So my question is who would Liddell's next oponent be?

I would say Machada would be next logical choice!!
johny_rotten
5/12/07 2:07:33PM
The UFC hasn't been keeping their champions to busy as of late, so the "Super Bowl" could be Chuck's next fight. Of course none of this will happen because Rampage will be the next LHW champ.

Brandon Vera could be the next challenger to the LHW belt. He is a very small HW, and now that there is a lot of talent at HW the UFC may let him come down in weight.
Ultimate_fighter
5/12/07 3:01:38PM
Brandon Vera did say he wanted to fight chuck, on his debut of the UFC. Yeah, he is very small for a heavyweight, and could pack on some muscle for a LHW for sure. I think he could give chuck a run for his money.
Mayo
5/12/07 3:25:45PM

Posted by johny_rotten

Of course none of this will happen because Rampage will be the next LHW champ.




Send me a wager, I've only got $140 left since I'm betting everything on Chuck with anybody who is wiling to do a 1 to 1 wager.
Playground_Samurai
5/12/07 4:02:22PM
If the situation were to play out as said, there wouldn't be many good options for Chucks next defense. Nobody wants to see Liddell/Ortiz3, and the only other 2 LHW's that were built up as potential contenders to the casual fans(Jardine & Rashad) would have to start over and work their way up again.

I personally would give Machida and Thiago Silva a bunch of air time and build them up to the casual fans. I'd pit them against each other in a number 1 contender fight, and give the winner to Chuck. They both sport undefeated records and are most likely gonna be a big part of the future of the LHW division.

I personally would like to see Chuck vs. Thiago. I realize Silva is still very young and may not be ready for that kind of jump in competition, but his record would indicate he's a very exciting fighter. 7 of his 9 wins are by (t)ko, and all but 2 came in the first round. We haven't got to see Chuck fight any good strikers lately. Also, Thiago is fighting out of Chute boxe so you know he has a great camp to train and prepare with.

Really, what other good ideas could they come up with?
nubby
5/12/07 5:17:09PM
Couture Liddell 4.
zephead
5/12/07 5:34:01PM
The need to send Chuck to Pride or bring Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog and Igor over
mkiv9secsupra
5/12/07 6:31:22PM
well hopefully he was being serious when he said he would move to heavyweight. Then let him fight someone like eddie sanchez and let him transition into heavyweight.



Posted by Ultimate_fighter

Brandon Vera did say he wanted to fight chuck, on his debut of the UFC. Yeah, he is very small for a heavyweight, and could pack on some muscle for a LHW for sure. I think he could give chuck a run for his money.



HAHAHA...brandon vera is quite possibly the best B level fighter. Chuck would murder him.
PW
5/12/07 6:39:19PM

Posted by zephead

The need to send Chuck to Pride or bring Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog and Igor over



Could you imagine a Chuck vs Igor fight? That would be crazy.
Mastodon2
5/12/07 6:42:39PM

Posted by zephead

The need to send Chuck to Pride or bring Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog and Igor over




I think all of those guys have the potential to beat Chuck, Shogun and Igor espescially. Igor could outstrike Chuck imo, and Shogun is just so well rounded that I think he could pick Chuck apart.
zephead
5/12/07 7:34:32PM

Posted by Mastodon2


Posted by zephead

The need to send Chuck to Pride or bring Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog and Igor over




I think all of those guys have the potential to beat Chuck, Shogun and Igor espescially. Igor could outstrike Chuck imo, and Shogun is just so well rounded that I think he could pick Chuck apart.



I think Chuck could handle Arona. If Igor came in throwing all wild, Chuck will drop him. The same with Shogun. He can get crazy at times and that plays into a counterstrikers game. Plus, with the cage, it'll be harder to take Chuck down. Lil Nog would be the fight. Not as wild with his strikes, will stand and punch and then get the takedown. But all in all, it would be some good fights
Fanboy 1988
5/13/07 12:46:42AM
I think Arona would be able to take Chuck down, not sure if he would beat him though.. Igor + Chuck = war!! And Shogun would take him 9/10 times...


JunCTion
5/13/07 1:14:05AM

Posted by nubby

Couture Liddell 4.



dude, thats exactly what i was thinking when i started to read this post. chuck could move up but dana would never do #4
Zvonimir
5/13/07 1:25:11AM
someone from PRIDE or Bisping.
nubby
5/13/07 11:28:53AM

Posted by JunCTion


Posted by nubby

Couture Liddell 4.



dude, thats exactly what i was thinking when i started to read this post. chuck could move up but dana would never do #4


Why? People love them both it would still be a great fight.
Hatebreeder
5/13/07 11:32:47AM

Posted by PW


Posted by zephead

The need to send Chuck to Pride or bring Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog and Igor over



Could you imagine a Chuck vs Igor fight? That would be crazy.



Igor by KO.
teamquestnorth
5/13/07 8:31:39PM
sokoudjou needs to finish his 1 fight that he has left in pride take out ortiz or rampage then fight chuck for the belt
dstlvb
5/13/07 9:01:27PM
Dana would do Chuck/Coutore 4 espicisially at HW. Randy said he was having personal issues during the last two fights, said he got them straightend out and dominated Tim. Lots of people want to see a focudes Randy against Chuck, we saw it once and Randy won.
mkiv9secsupra
5/14/07 1:01:28AM

Posted by dstlvb

Dana would do Chuck/Coutore 4 espicisially at HW. Randy said he was having personal issues during the last two fights, said he got them straightend out and dominated Tim. Lots of people want to see a focudes Randy against Chuck, we saw it once and Randy won.



Couture/Liddell 4 will never happen. Just because couture beat tim "bigslow" sylvia doesnt mean he can beat a much better striker and wrestler.

so chuck won because he isnt the better fighter? Youre saying liddell's wins arent legit...
AdamG
5/14/07 3:48:57PM
If Chuck beats Rampage, the UFC won't have any legitimate contenders on account of Tito's poor performances for the title. They won't bring in a Pride fighter, because they'll have to wait for the "Superbowl." A logical choice would be Wandi, but he's been on a losing streak. Vera and CC are options, as they can both make 205, but I don't see either of them falling off track in the HW division. The next actual LHW contenders are Jardine and Evans, but they're both too green to compete with Liddell, and wouldn't make good match-ups. Either a HW steps down or Chuck steps up, which could be a real possibility if Couture beats Gonzaga...
JunCTion
5/14/07 5:55:35PM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by dstlvb

Dana would do Chuck/Coutore 4 espicisially at HW. Randy said he was having personal issues during the last two fights, said he got them straightend out and dominated Tim. Lots of people want to see a focudes Randy against Chuck, we saw it once and Randy won.



Couture/Liddell 4 will never happen. Just because couture beat tim "bigslow" sylvia doesnt mean he can beat a much better striker and wrestler.

so chuck won because he isnt the better fighter? Youre saying liddell's wins arent legit...




i wasnt sure what he was getting at either. plus why would dana want to risk his hall of famer losing to the same guy 3 times in a row. if chuck moved up why not give him a fight or 2 (against top talent)to see how he does. randy has 2 fights left. lets see what happens before we think about chuck/randy4.

why not consider the option of some heavies moving down.
CC, AA, Buentello, Kongo, Vera, etc.
JunCTion
5/14/07 6:26:59PM
if chuck beats rampage, why not retire (at least from the LHW division)

he will have avenged all 3 losses & he'll have nothing left to prove, unless he wants to change weight classes.

in the last 5 years...11-2
he hasnt gone to a decision since vitor
all wins since have ended by KO/TKO
5 of those ended in the 1st round
2 in the 2nd (randy 1:30 2nd / tito :38 2nd)
only 2 went into the 3rd round (tito and horn)

why start getting spoonfed lesser LHW talent at this point (lets face it thats what it is) and with all the upsets risk getting upset by one of those lesser fighters (not that he would avoid anybody)
why not move down to MW or up to HW (or both at some point) while hes still in his prime and at the top of his game.
then he could be the 1st to claim 2 belts at the same time in the UFC(before that cocky Vera does)
JimiMak
5/14/07 10:01:04PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I think Randy is better @ HW, and I think that is the difference. He had just stepped down and barely made it in the first fight, plus his recent opponents had been huge. He stepped down and then killed chuck, but showed that maybe he was staying to small (to me). I think #4 would be interesting, but only @ heavy and only after they've both had a dominant victory.

[edit] Now would be good but it won't happen now. So I mean they would have to stay on those tracks.
Rush
5/14/07 10:18:26PM
I think Chuck retiring would be bad. You don't retire on a perfect note like that. The question everyone would have would be, why would he retire at the top of his game?

If he beats Rampage I think he should go up to HW and try to hold two belts.
raindrops21
5/15/07 10:15:22PM
Hi all, first post, long time MMA fan and just found out about this site.

Anyways, I would imagine that Rashad or Jardine is the next opponent for Chuck. In my opinion, it would be Jardine. The question is, will Chuck fight before the "Superbowl" ? If he does in say August or September, they'll give him Jardine just because they know it will be a strictly stand-up fight and would favor Chuck. The last thing the UFC would want right now is for Chuck to lose some meaningless match against a fringe contender when there is huge amount of money to be made by doing the Superbowl.

The thing I constantly have to tell myself is that this is a business, and they'll try to run it like one.

So for me, in a business sense, Jardine it is and Chuck TKO/KO Round 1, if he gets by Rampage that is. Wow, I can't wait for that fight.
Damien6663
5/16/07 5:10:47PM
Igor can not outstrike chuck, chuck would put igor away pretty fast. Igor's prime was over 5 years ago.
Junior24
5/20/07 4:34:50PM
Regardless of the results between Rampage & Chuck.

1. Shogun/Wandy
2. Sokodju
3. Vera
4. Hendo
5. Evans/Jardine/Bisping (These three will have to fight each other first. As much as I hate the fact that everyone thinks Chuck is the "greatest". These three are in no way shape or form ready to fight Chuck, yet. And like someone previously said, I dont think Dana would schedule it if he couldnt sell it.)
6. Tito needs to go to Pride or move down to middle weight. In my mind. He is done in this weightclass. Or learn some more skills.
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