Should Hendricks get an immediate rematch?

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POLL: rematch?
Yes it was a close fight. 18% (7)
NO HE LOST he should have to win a time or two. 10% (4)
Yes Hendricks won the fight anyway 33% (13)
Yes because Chael (before suspension) was getting a remtach after being submitted 3% (1)
No because Melendez/Gus didnt get rematches. 13% (5)
dont care 23% (9)
tmas
11/18/13 9:35:59PM
Now i know GSP is "retired" "taking time off" or whatever, and Hendricks is "suspended 6 months" but still the question is here should Hendricks get an immediate rematch?


Personally i hate immediate rematches but this is one case i would be ok with him getting the rematch.
Bubbles
11/18/13 9:46:01PM
No because Gus and Melendez didn't get rematches, and they had more clearly beaten the champion aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...unless you had to be carted off on a stretcher
LooseCannon
11/18/13 9:47:27PM
Gus & Gil were close fights, but most of the media scored them losing as did I. The precedent is Shogun Rua who most everyone scored beating Lyoto Machida therefore he got an immediate rematch.
FastKnockout
11/18/13 10:08:18PM

Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.
sparky
11/18/13 11:53:48PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.
JLS
11/19/13 12:03:36AM
I voted Yes it was a close fight. I'm not gonna get in to who won or which rounds were close because we've seen enough.

But Yeah I think Hendricks should get the next shot. That was "officially" the closest anyone has been in a long time.
And if you look at the next so many guys in line for the belt Hendricks has the best resume even after the loss to GSP.

We've got; Condit-He's 1-1 in his fights since getting shut out by Georges including a loss to Hendricks.

Lawler-He's on a nice 3 fight win streak and he really did shock me by beating MacDonald Saturday night.
A win over Voelker, and a win over Koscheck. All good wins but not quite enough to override Hendricks IMO. Although the MacDonald win did help his stock a ton.

Brown-I put him in next because if he beats Condit for some reason and especially if he scores a finish he will have just as good of a case if not better if you ask me. Currently riding a six fight win streak 2nd longest in the Division only behind GSP.
They might not all be the toughest competition but damn a 6 fight winning streak in this Division is impressive and the competition has gradually gotten better from Swick to Mein to Pyle and now Condit.

That's where I draw my line at current contenders in this Division.
infestructure
11/19/13 12:09:54AM

Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.
40ouncetpkid
11/19/13 12:11:58AM
He deserves one but the more I think about it GSP should retire or I see Shogun vs Machida 2 version 2.0 with the hungrier Hendricks scoring a brutal finish after not getting the decision.

It seems like the fire is burning out of GSP I dont know if he could survive Hendricks one more time with his head not right. I would give GSP serious props and probably put him over Fedor and Anderson if he could get his head right and comeback and beat Hendricks convincingly.
sparky
11/19/13 2:56:46AM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents
Webbie
11/19/13 4:43:09AM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



It sounds like any decision that you don't agree with is a robbery.
40ouncetpkid
11/19/13 4:53:30AM

Posted by sparky

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Holy hell maybe its just im on boxing forums talking about mma mostly but even on mmawebsites I didnt hear no mention of that blatant robbery.

Dollaway whooped his ass Diaz brothers style for the first two rounds at worst it was a draw.
jjeans
11/19/13 5:21:17AM
Me personally I'm done with immediate rematches. After seeing PPV buys and knowing immediate rematches don't sell and watching Gus/Jones not get the immediate rematch I'm done. I think all contenders if they walk out of the match without the belt should work there way back up, even if it is a win over a guy in the top 10 or someone undefeated or on a long UFC win streak.

It isn't a case of contenders not being out there. Robbie Lawler beat, 5-2 and top 10 ranked Josh Koscheck, Bobby Voelker who hadn't been finished in 5 years and 5-0 top 5 ranked Rory Mac.

If TJ Grants getting a title shot beating Shane Roller, Carlo Prater, Evan Dunham, Matt Wiman and top 5 ranked Gray Maynard.

What's the difference? TJ Grants been looking sharp since dropping weight?
So has Robbie making his WW run.

Carlos Condit people thought he beat Hendricks and he came closer to finishing GSP than Hendricks.
Matt Browns 6-0 with 5 finishes, heck Dan Hardy was 4-0 with 2 SD's and 1 finish when he was given a title fight.
Jake Shields won 2 rounds against GSP (48-47x2) the first guy in 31 rounds to so much as win one round against him.
Now Shields is 3-0-(1) with a top 5 win.

I am not saying these people would beat GSP or Hendricks, but just because they wouldn't be a heavy favourite going into a fight shouldn't mean you deny them of giving them the opportunity to fight.

Gus was a huge underdog walking down the octagon to fight Jones and he was the only guy who walked out of the arena.

In this day and age in MMA rematches slow a division down so much.

If GSP's stepping away for a bit and the UFC want Hendricks to still be the number one contender have him fight Jake Shields in the mean time.

We'll see how all this plays out, for all we know GSP could sort his stuff out next week and GSP could be ready to fight in 3 months, whilst Hendricks is out for 6 months injured.
infestructure
11/19/13 6:14:50AM

Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Imo if a fighter deserved to win, and the judges fucked it up, it's a robbery. I Wouldnt be saying boo if it were just my opinion, I'd just think I was biased. But almost every fighter and MMA personality also thinks the same.

and yeah I agree, Dolloway was robbed too, and I picked Boetsch. (I hope that clarifies for you, Webbie)
Webbie
11/19/13 6:53:53AM
lol... that doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.

I was just pointing out that your opinion is your opinion, and not everyone agrees with that. So you may consider it a robbery, but not everyone does.

Not everyone believes Melendez or Machida got robbed, and even fewer people believe Gus got robbed.

Personally I think it's crazy that anyone feels Gus got robbed, so that just tells you how different opinions can be.
Theoutlaw08
11/19/13 9:16:37AM
Yes. The belt should already be around his waist.
ChrisSabal
11/19/13 9:56:45AM
thought Hendricks won. I am a Hendricks fan. So I might be blinded by that. It is a possibility. But, Hendricks deserves a rematch and if GSP does want time off then I say Hendricks-Lawler.

airkerma
11/19/13 10:51:29AM
For:
Penn vs Edgar 2
Edgar vs Maynard 3
Bendo vs Edgar 2
Machida vs Shogun 2
note: All prior to 2013

Against:
Gus vs Jones
Gil vs Bendo
note: both in 2013

Hard to say if there truly is a precedent since, once again, it is arbitrarily decided when a rematch is "deserved" bby the powers that be.

I voted yes, but not just because it was close, but because we wouldn't have a log jam if there was a rematch. Of course it is sounding like a year at least before GSP gets back in the cage, if at all, so I don't even think an "immediate" rematch is possible. It may behoove Hendricks to stay active, lest Dana opt to just skip the rematch should the time come.
sparky
11/19/13 11:00:35AM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Imo if a fighter deserved to win, and the judges fucked it up, it's a robbery. I Wouldnt be saying boo if it were just my opinion, I'd just think I was biased. But almost every fighter and MMA personality also thinks the same.

and yeah I agree, Dolloway was robbed too, and I picked Boetsch. (I hope that clarifies for you, Webbie)



In my opinion the only time a fight should be considered robbery is when the entire planet agrees.

Hence why I brought up Dolloway you wont find even one person who says Boetsch won, so to me thats a robbery.
State_Champ
11/19/13 11:20:46AM
I answered the poll with "No, he needs to win another time" but that's not truly fitting of my opinion. In fact, I think Hendricks should challenge whoever the UFC puts in front of him for the vacant title since I feel that GSP ought to retire.
GSP is slipping, he should get out.

So maybe the UFC could do a little WW tourney, or simply match Hendricks against someone like Lawler who's got some decent wins.
TheShaman
11/19/13 11:34:42AM

Posted by jjeans

Me personally I'm done with immediate rematches. After seeing PPV buys and knowing immediate rematches don't sell and watching Gus/Jones not get the immediate rematch I'm done. I think all contenders if they walk out of the match without the belt should work there way back up, even if it is a win over a guy in the top 10 or someone undefeated or on a long UFC win streak.

It isn't a case of contenders not being out there. Robbie Lawler beat, 5-2 and top 10 ranked Josh Koscheck, Bobby Voelker who hadn't been finished in 5 years and 5-0 top 5 ranked Rory Mac.

If TJ Grants getting a title shot beating Shane Roller, Carlo Prater, Evan Dunham, Matt Wiman and top 5 ranked Gray Maynard.

What's the difference? TJ Grants been looking sharp since dropping weight?
So has Robbie making his WW run.

Carlos Condit people thought he beat Hendricks and he came closer to finishing GSP than Hendricks.
Matt Browns 6-0 with 5 finishes, heck Dan Hardy was 4-0 with 2 SD's and 1 finish when he was given a title fight.
Jake Shields won 2 rounds against GSP (48-47x2) the first guy in 31 rounds to so much as win one round against him.
Now Shields is 3-0-(1) with a top 5 win.

I am not saying these people would beat GSP or Hendricks, but just because they wouldn't be a heavy favourite going into a fight shouldn't mean you deny them of giving them the opportunity to fight.

Gus was a huge underdog walking down the octagon to fight Jones and he was the only guy who walked out of the arena.

In this day and age in MMA rematches slow a division down so much.

If GSP's stepping away for a bit and the UFC want Hendricks to still be the number one contender have him fight Jake Shields in the mean time.

We'll see how all this plays out, for all we know GSP could sort his stuff out next week and GSP could be ready to fight in 3 months, whilst Hendricks is out for 6 months injured.




A lot of good points in that post that could be applied to a number of issues

I didn't vote because "No, GSP should retire/take a break" wasn't an option. He clearly needs to do just as he said, and I hope he doesn't give in to Dana's pressure.
SpiderSilva
11/19/13 2:14:39PM
No. He had his chance he didn't win.
infestructure
11/19/13 5:51:02PM

Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Imo if a fighter deserved to win, and the judges fucked it up, it's a robbery. I Wouldnt be saying boo if it were just my opinion, I'd just think I was biased. But almost every fighter and MMA personality also thinks the same.

and yeah I agree, Dolloway was robbed too, and I picked Boetsch. (I hope that clarifies for you, Webbie)



In my opinion the only time a fight should be considered robbery is when the entire planet agrees.

Hence why I brought up Dolloway you wont find even one person who says Boetsch won, so to me thats a robbery.



There are a few blind mma fans out there who thinks Boetsch won, just like there are a few that think GSP won. Who gives a shit about the semantics of the term 'robbery'.
Webbie
11/19/13 6:12:07PM

Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Imo if a fighter deserved to win, and the judges fucked it up, it's a robbery. I Wouldnt be saying boo if it were just my opinion, I'd just think I was biased. But almost every fighter and MMA personality also thinks the same.

and yeah I agree, Dolloway was robbed too, and I picked Boetsch. (I hope that clarifies for you, Webbie)



In my opinion the only time a fight should be considered robbery is when the entire planet agrees.

Hence why I brought up Dolloway you wont find even one person who says Boetsch won, so to me thats a robbery.



There are a few blind mma fans out there who thinks Boetsch won, just like there are a few that think GSP won. Who gives a shit about the semantics of the term 'robbery'.



There's definitely a much larger amount of people saying GSP won than there are saying Boetsch won.

Also, if a person feels GSP won the fight, that doesn't make them a "blind MMA fan." Like I said before, your opinion is that Hendricks won, and you're entitled to that opinion. However, just because you believe that doesn't mean it's right. I could call you a blind MMA fan for thinking that Gus got robbed against Jones. Your opinion isn't any more valuable than anyone else's opinion.
jjeans
11/19/13 6:25:21PM

Posted by Webbie


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by infestructure


Posted by sparky


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Bubbles

aside superficial marks, which don't tell much...



"The guy hits like a truck. My brain got bashed left and right inside of my skull. My right eye became blurry, and it's still blurry right now. He punched very hard. He's the hardest puncher I’ve seen. He hit like a truck. I was hurt. I’m not an egomaniac. I say it when I’m hurt. I’m hurt. He hurt me tonight. Look at me."

Pretty sure Hendricks left some marks on him we can't see.



That doesn't change the fact St Pierre walked away with the victory and in my opinion rightfully so.



That would be fine, if 90% of the MMA community didn't disagree with yours and the 'judges' opinion.

Hendricks got robbed; Melendez got robbed, Gus got robbed and Machida got robbed. the UFC need to change something if they want to keep the sport honest.



In no fuckin way was Hendricks Gustafsson or Melendez ROBBED. They were all in very competitive close title fights which they ended up losing narrowly

ROBBED is what they did to Dolloway against Boetsch just my 2 cents



Imo if a fighter deserved to win, and the judges fucked it up, it's a robbery. I Wouldnt be saying boo if it were just my opinion, I'd just think I was biased. But almost every fighter and MMA personality also thinks the same.

and yeah I agree, Dolloway was robbed too, and I picked Boetsch. (I hope that clarifies for you, Webbie)



In my opinion the only time a fight should be considered robbery is when the entire planet agrees.

Hence why I brought up Dolloway you wont find even one person who says Boetsch won, so to me thats a robbery.



There are a few blind mma fans out there who thinks Boetsch won, just like there are a few that think GSP won. Who gives a shit about the semantics of the term 'robbery'.


There's definitely a much larger amount of people saying GSP won than there are saying Boetsch won.

Also, if a person feels GSP won the fight, that doesn't make them a "blind MMA fan." Like I said before, your opinion is that Hendricks won, and you're entitled to that opinion. However, just because you believe that doesn't mean it's right. I could call you a blind MMA fan for thinking that Gus got robbed against Jones. Your opinion isn't any more valuable than anyone else's opinion.



I don't know why you guys chose to pick Boetsch and Dolloway as an example of a robbery.

1/15 on Takedown attempts. 51 strikes vs 77 strikes. Striking accuracy 25% vs 39%

And your winner by unanimous decision.

Webbie
11/19/13 6:28:11PM
Aww, you quoted my post before I had the chance to edit it and tone it down a bit
jjeans
11/19/13 6:34:52PM

Posted by Webbie

Aww, you quoted my post before I had the chance to edit it and tone it down a bit



edited

i love you xx
Webbie
11/19/13 7:01:32PM

Posted by jjeans


Posted by Webbie

Aww, you quoted my post before I had the chance to edit it and tone it down a bit



edited

i love you xx



Right back atcha!
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