Heath Herring was a total disappointment

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MMA
1/26/07 9:13:31AM
That was a horrible performance by him, he looked like total shit. I have a feeling he did not train very hard for this fight because he gassed during the later rounds. And what was up with those lame ass excuses?

He showed no takedown defence and was easily mounted by O'Brien. He also gave up his back on a number of occasions. I was very surprised that O'Brien could not finish him. There was a total lack of action and a boring fight overall.
CommanderMander
1/26/07 10:23:17AM
I'd have to agree with you on some points. I dont think Herring took the fight that serious either. O'Brien didnt exactly have a stellar performance either. I got kind of pissed at Big John for taking so long to stand them back up in the last round . I HATE fighters that LnP, it makes for the worlds most boring fights. Both fighters should be embarrassed at their performances.
BloodandTears
1/26/07 11:00:53AM

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That was a horrible performance by him, he looked like total shit. I have a feeling he did not train very hard for this fight because he gassed during the later rounds. And what was up with those lame ass excuses?

He showed no takedown defence and was easily mounted by O'Brien. He also gave up his back on a number of occasions. I was very surprised that O'Brien could not finish him. There was a total lack of action and a boring fight overall.



You can not deny this post in any way!!! I had Herring from the get go and he really let me down. His take-down defense as you said was as sloppy as it gets. His excuses sucked, but his hair was rockin!!!
pv3Hpv3p
1/26/07 11:02:12AM

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That was a horrible performance by him, he looked like total shit. I have a feeling he did not train very hard for this fight because he gassed during the later rounds. And what was up with those lame ass excuses?

He showed no takedown defence and was easily mounted by O'Brien. He also gave up his back on a number of occasions. I was very surprised that O'Brien could not finish him. There was a total lack of action and a boring fight overall.



I will somewhat agree, but it was a poor performance on both their parts. The only thing that really dissappointed me about HH was his complete lack of TD defense. I personally think that heath was giving up his back because O'brien didn't pose a threat when he did so. Since HH wasn't aftaid of getting subbed, it made it easier to sneak out the back door and stand back up (where he obviously wanted the fight to be). I hope this loss can be atributed to ring rust, and I hope Hearring comes back fired up and ready to fight.

Furthermore, O'brien won the fight like it was a collegeate wrestling match. I never thought that he came anywhere near finishing the fight, and I don't tend to respect (as much) a victory won on how many takedowns you can get, as appose to someone that can finish a fight decisivley. Where's the GnP? Let me see some subs attempted. Let me see something that shows you want to finish the fight. And also, it didn't say much for O'brien when that soft looking jab knocked him down in the first, and I believe that if HH had another minute / minute and a half after that right hand in the end of the 3rd he could have finished the fight.

In all it was a disappointment on both sides. Props to O'brien for the W, but the kid really needs some work on his finishing skills. He seemed strong as a bull w/ good TD's, but if he could get into a Greg jackson type camp (one making itself known for turning wrestlers into much more well rounded fighters) then he could maybe make an impact in the HW div. As for Heath, I haven't givin up faith yet. I hope Joe Silva putts him in there with someone that wants to stand and maybe we can see that old Heath again.
MMA
1/26/07 11:07:39AM
Herring is an experienced veteran so he should hang his head in shame.

I already stated that I was surprised that O'Brien could not finish the fight given ample opportunities to do so. It was a typical lay n' pray victory, but that does not take away his accomplishment. It was a joke how easily he passed Herring's guard.

If only O'Brien trained more on his submissions and ground n' pound ...
Daaga
1/26/07 11:25:43AM
Herring came in about 10-15 lbs overweight. He didn't look at all like the same fighter that charged Tom Erickson years ago. He's being overpaid win or lose, so if I were him, I really wouldn't give two spits.... at least not until that juicy contract expires
madmarck
1/26/07 11:27:41AM

Posted by BloodandTears


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That was a horrible performance by him, he looked like total shit. I have a feeling he did not train very hard for this fight because he gassed during the later rounds. And what was up with those lame ass excuses?

He showed no takedown defence and was easily mounted by O'Brien. He also gave up his back on a number of occasions. I was very surprised that O'Brien could not finish him. There was a total lack of action and a boring fight overall.



You can not deny this post in any way!!! I had Herring from the get go and he really let me down. His take-down defense as you said was as sloppy as it gets. His excuses sucked, but his hair was rockin!!!


What takedown defense? He didnt sprawl at all! His entrance was pretty bad ass. Everything else reminded me of Hammil vs Petrezelli
allevil86
1/26/07 1:51:24PM
He looked good for the first 3 min but after that his game went to shit.
jmoooooo
1/26/07 2:53:15PM
Herrings problem was that nobody kissed him before the fight to psych him up.....
roadking95th
1/26/07 3:13:17PM
I agree, in that it ws a boring fight, but don't be pissed that O'Brien only LnPed. Herring did nothing to make Irish do anything else. Irish is the newcomer and Herring is supposed to be the veteran. Irish prob did all that he felt comfortable doing at this stage of his career. You don't want him to LnP then do something about it. Have some kind of takedown defense. Hell, Herring had enough room to try some subs. I look at LnP no worse than Horn's fight against Chuck. Damn, he kept falling to his back 'cause he didn't want to swing.
shawneth
1/26/07 3:54:41PM
Completly agree. I am most dissapointed because i thought Herring would help to rebuild the dying Heavyweight division. Unless he shows alittle bit more in his next fight i dont think he'll help out that much. I heard at Sherdog that he had a torn mcl and another bunch of problems... but im not sure that that can even excuss that performance.
Sticksta13
1/26/07 6:24:06PM
agree'd........... his stance looked unlike him, I was saying to myself wtf is he doing
aceprone
1/26/07 7:13:37PM
In the interview on the UFC he said he torn a ligament or something in his knee and kept his stance low to protect his leg. But who knows.... I myself was dissapointed in Herring performace, but at the same time I think he saved the fight from being a complete dissaster. During the last minute he was on his knees trying to knock the guy out and the crowd respected him for it, while O'Brian was just laying there. You can tell from the reaction after the fight, everyone booo'ed O'Brian for laying on top of him and cheered for Heath for bringing some energy into the fight. I hope Heath comes back in better shape, because I still think he's a force when he's in shape. His goal in the fight was to keep it standing and he held on to O'brian to make that happen but John wasn't giving it to him for somereason, who was clearly O'brian was LNP. So I tip my hat to Heath for at least trying to save the fight.
Savy
1/26/07 7:27:51PM
I was floored by how bad Herring performed. Was that really the same guy who beat Kerr, Vovchanchyn, and Gary Goodridge? Same guy was took Vitor and Rodrigo Nogueira to a decision?
He looked big and slow to me, carrying waaay too much bodyfat.
Seemed like he missed his wrestling shoes.
That was not the Texas Crazy Horse we know and love. He'll be back in better shape with a little less butterflies.
He needs a chance to redeem himself.

strikefirstgear
1/26/07 11:02:09PM

Posted by Sticksta13

agree'd........... his stance looked unlike him, I was saying to myself wtf is he doing



Maybe a game plan to protect himself from the takedown. He sure could have done more to put up a fight on the ground.

He looked to me like an injured fighter fighting handicapped. That had to be the worst defense I have seen in a long time.
Harshaw27
1/27/07 12:14:26AM
Agreed that it was a piss poor performance on HH's part, but if the match makers in the UFC wanted to showcase HH's skills and energy they would have put him in a fight with another striker. Not a wrestler. Screw the classic "striker vs grappler" b.s. HH is new to most fans of the UFC so put him in there with someone who will trade with him.
hippysmacker
1/27/07 1:28:19AM

Posted by aceprone

In the interview on the UFC he said he torn a ligament or something in his knee and kept his stance low to protect his leg. But who knows.... I myself was dissapointed in Herring performace, but at the same time I think he saved the fight from being a complete dissaster. During the last minute he was on his knees trying to knock the guy out and the crowd respected him for it, while O'Brian was just laying there. You can tell from the reaction after the fight, everyone booo'ed O'Brian for laying on top of him and cheered for Heath for bringing some energy into the fight. I hope Heath comes back in better shape, because I still think he's a force when he's in shape. His goal in the fight was to keep it standing and he held on to O'brian to make that happen but John wasn't giving it to him for somereason, who was clearly O'brian was LNP. So I tip my hat to Heath for at least trying to save the fight.



Agreed. As for O'brien geting in a good camp, how bout Herring? Does anyone know who he trains with now? He's US based now he should call up Militech/Jackson and get back in shape .
RedScorpion
1/27/07 6:17:03AM
i heard he had a torned MCL. it was also a big dissappointing match to me. ok i respect an injured fighter, but why the big mouth? he looked like a freaking gilbert yvel( always frustrating on the ground) with his talk.
saintbice
1/27/07 10:50:54AM
i can see why people say that heath did not look good but o'brain wanted a wrestling match not a fight i never want to watch another o'brain fight again if all he is going to do is lay & Pray heath wanted to put on a show and knock somebody out for the fans but thats not the best way to go into a fight he should have worried about what he had to do to win his fight
tffdwg38
1/27/07 12:58:03PM
that fight sucked i was very dissapointed with heath
ufcbadboy
1/27/07 6:04:37PM
Did anyone else noticed that he was taking long, deep breaths with his mouth open while he was walking to the octagon? Also, he takes about 3 puffs from his inhaler just before stepping into the octagon. Even Joe Rogan made a comment about it. Could Asthma have been a factor?
hippysmacker
1/27/07 6:32:28PM
zephead found this and put up a link to it. I'll paste it, it explains a lot.


From: Joe Rogan
Date: 01/26/07 06:23 PM
Member Since: 01/01/2001
2556 Total Posts Ignore User

I talked to Heath last night after the fight at a restaurant, and he told me he had a torn MCL for that fight. That's why he had that weird stance, and that's why he couldn't explode off his back or sprawl. I told him that I wished that I had known that before the fight because it explains a lot, but he said he didn't want to give any excuses. That's a credit to the way he thinks, but it's not really an excuse as much as it's an explanation. This is taking nothing away from Jake, because I think Jake fought a great fight and displayed some solid skills, but anyone that's seen Heath fight before knows that wasn't him out there.
I know some people thought I was a little harsh in my commentary, and I understand that, but I've got to be honest. It wasn't insulting, it was just exactly how I saw it. Knowing now about the injury, it all makes sense, and i wish I had that info while the fight was going on. I've always been a fan of Heath and the way he fights, so I'm really looking forward to him healing up so we can see him fight up to potential that I know he's capable of. Best wishes and a speedy recovery to Heath.
aceprone
1/27/07 10:38:48PM
WAR HEATH! WARRRR.....!!!! HAHA... felt like doing a little sherdoging...
tffdwg38
1/28/07 1:47:59AM
the lay n pray was bs we need yellow cards
SICKRICK
1/29/07 7:49:29AM
mma the moderator is a big disappointment to me, i mean that in the nicest way please dont suspend me please
madmarck
1/29/07 9:53:37AM
apparently he had a bad knee of some sort.
Hwarang
1/29/07 11:13:32AM
he sucked and i don't care for any excuse he sucked big time
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