Heath Herring v. Brock Lesnar

Who will take it? I think Brock will definitely own Heath here, if not by TKO then by UD

What do you think?

Herring definately doesnt get the credit he deserves, but he was almost outwrestled by Kongo...so I dont see him ebing able to keep the fight standing against Brock...so I will go with Lesnar TKO rnd 2

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Posted by Mayhem13

Herring definately doesnt get the credit he deserves, but he was almost outwrestled by Kongo...so I dont see him ebing able to keep the fight standing against Brock...so I will go with Lesnar TKO rnd 2

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+ him being taken down at will by O'Brien, and Big Nog Being able to take him down.....There is no way he can keep this fight standing.

It will come down to whether he can reverse the postion (which i doubt he can, a wrestler like lesnar has really good ground control, Unlike kongo who is a striker playing wrestler)...Or him being able to sub Lesnar from the bottom, which is possible, but i still think lesnar will either win a decision or win by TKO. Although the thing that worries me is that when they are standing heath will be extremely aggressive (ala vs kongo) and might catch lesnar with a kick when he is going for a takedown or something. also if lesnar gets rocked, he might go for a sloppy takedown, and heath might take his back and choke him.

My Pick Right now stands as Lesnar Via UD (heath can take alot of punishment, my reasoning instead of having lesnar TKO)

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Posted by juanez13

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Posted by Mayhem13

Herring definately doesnt get the credit he deserves, but he was almost outwrestled by Kongo...so I dont see him ebing able to keep the fight standing against Brock...so I will go with Lesnar TKO rnd 2

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+ him being taken down at will by O'Brien, and Big Nog Being able to take him down.....There is no way he can keep this fight standing.

It will come down to whether he can reverse the postion (which i doubt he can, a wrestler like lesnar has really good ground control, Unlike kongo who is a striker playing wrestler)...Or him being able to sub Lesnar from the bottom, which is possible, but i still think lesnar will either win a decision or win by TKO. Although the thing that worries me is that when they are standing heath will be extremely aggressive (ala vs kongo) and might catch lesnar with a kick when he is going for a takedown or something. also if lesnar gets rocked, he might go for a sloppy takedown, and heath might take his back and choke him.

My Pick Right now stands as Lesnar Via UD (heath can take alot of punishment, my reasoning instead of having lesnar TKO)

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I agree to most of what you say except the ending of the fight I think heath first our secound round submission via traingle

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Posted by MartinKillMcGill

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Posted by juanez13

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Posted by Mayhem13

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I agree to most of what you say except the ending of the fight I think heath first our secound round submission via traingle

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lol i cant imagine Herring being able to pull of a submission like that, he's just not the type of fighter that could pull of something like that, its like thinking Rampage would pull of an armbar, im sure they know it, but the likelyness of herring pulling something like that is minimal, the only subs i can see herrin going for is a Kimura or a choke, other than that i cant see herring pulling of any other type of submission.

I think it depends on whether brock can take heath down and finish him early. I dont know why but i really think hes going to gas. I know everybody will say he wont becouse of his work outs and what not, but most fighters have hard regimes (bar travis lutter of course) and it still happens.

Just a gut feeling though. Im either gona take brock via round 1 tko, or heath by round 2 tko. Cant decide yet.

I hope for Heath but I wouldnt put money on it.

well considering that Herring is getting him self on the right track again he might have a slight edge on Lesnar but if this fight takes place mainly on the ground i would give it to Lesnar, to be truth full i don't know who too pick. But definitely if Herring never got him self back on track i would give the fight to Lesnar.

hmm, I like Brock, however Heath Herring has alot of experience over Brock.
I don't know if Brock can bring anything to the fight that Heath hasn't been through before.

But then again, Brock will probably bring "it" alot more furiously and alot more powerfully than Heath has ever faced before.

I'm gonna pick Brock 1st round vicious mauling. But I would not be surprised at any other possible outcome.

I'm thinking Herring's experience may be the key factor here. He's a seasoned vet and a solid opponent. After Lesnar got subbed by Mir, I'm not gonna be too quick to jump back on the lesnar bandwagon . I'm taking Herring by a submission.

Brock is fighting a legit competitor in Herring who is a boderline top 10 opponent. Herring is very savvy on the ground so im not sure Brock would just absolutely wail on him like he did to Mir. I could see Herring working the guillotine a couple of times during the fight if he is on the ground and could very well submit Lesnar. He's only been submitted once by Big Nog (excluding the loss to exhaustion) and finished once (excluding the injury and cuts) by Cro Cop. Herring is just a tough guy to finish and im not sure Brock gets it done.
Inexperience might play a factor again and Heath could somehow work a choke in.

I think Heath will RNC Brock in the first after he bullrushes Brock and blast him with a hard shot and takes Brock's back.

Don't be so quick to dismiss Heath just yet, he has been in there with the best and is almost impossble to finish (minus doctor stoppages + injury + gasing).

War Heath

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Posted by aolverizon

I think Heath will RNC Brock in the first after he bullrushes Brock and blast him with a hard shot and takes Brock's back.

Don't be so quick to dismiss Heath just yet, he has been in there with the best and is almost impossble to finish (minus doctor stoppages + injury + gasing).

War Heath

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i agree.

herring has 16 wins via submission, most coming from an armlock of some sort or a RNC. in the herring fight he stated he didnt train wrestling at all because he thought it was going to be a stand up war. im sure he'll train wrestling for this fight. i say herring takes this because of

1) his experience
2) brocks questionable cardio (havnt seen him past 2min..)
3) better stand up

Mid way through the first round Heath will get dejavu and think of the Kerr fight.


I think it might play out like that fight,only Lesnar will be more dangerous than Kerr was.

This is a great match-up for both fighters, but for different reasons.

Judging by the way Heath had problems with Kongo on the ground I only see him having much of a chance working him on the feet. Lesnar has the edge in wrestling for sure, but Heath has enough experience that he will not just sit there and do nothing on the ground.

Once (if) it goes to the ground I am thinking Lesnar by lay and pray, UD. But look out for a potential knockout by Heath if Lesnar doesn't choose his shots carefully.

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Posted by Rush

This is a great match-up for both fighters, but for different reasons.

Judging by the way Heath had problems with Kongo on the ground I only see him having much of a chance working him on the feet. Lesnar has the edge in wrestling for sure, but Heath has enough experience that he will not just sit there and do nothing on the ground.

Once (if) it goes to the ground I am think Lesnar by lay and pray, UD. But look out for a potential knockout by Heath is Lesnar doesn't choose his shots carefully.

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Yep, and let's not forget that Herring just got done training for a while with Rob Kaman. I'm sure his standup will be light years beyond Brock Lesnar's. Look what he almost did to Kongo

Yup and I just realized that my post probably had the worst English I have written in years. The lack of sleep is clearly affecting me.

I'll put my money on a repeat of what heath did to Tom Erikson back in the day... But without getting taken down first... Either that or he'll more than likely get F*****... I hope he does good...

This is a really tough one but I am gonna have to take Lesnar in the 1st by TKO . The reason I'm leaning towars him is because of the way he man handled and dominated Mir right away. Lesnar got submitted by a great JJ guy and I don't think Herring's submission skills are near Mir's. Lesnar is just too strong for him IMO.

Yet again, everyone is questioning Brock's cardio, I guarantee all of you he will not gas, now before you laugh read this, and don't laugh afterwards either lol.

WWE (DON'T LAUGH ) requires some serious physical skills NO MATTER how FAKE it is. Those matches of running around and jumping off things and lifting heavy people went on for 15 or 20 minutes sometimes and Brock was fine (and that's without breaks in between rounds). Now he is in better physical shape than he was then because of his disgusting training regiment. This guy does the same caveman training as Sean Sherk and when was the last time we saw Sherk gas?

NOW to the fight. Herring has far far more experience than Lesnar but I just don't see him being able to keep this fight on the feet, which is most likely what he needs to do. I'm taking Lesnar by first or second round TKO, haven't decided. There is always the possibility of Lesnar getting caught in a submission but I think after his first fight he will be more wary of that occurring.

My god dana, the ufc may as well throw lesnar 1-1 straight into a ufc title shot !! The ufc are really trying hard to make brock lesnar an mma star, why is herring fighting a nobody mma fighter, where is the gain from a win over brock ... ??? Explain you guys, why is brock lesnar a threat to an experienced dog fighter like herring ??? The ufc HW division is going no where !!!

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Posted by keith-hackney1

My god dana, the ufc may as well throw lesnar 1-1 straight into a ufc title shot !! The ufc are really trying hard to make brock lesnar an mma star, why is herring fighting a nobody mma fighter, where is the gain from a win over brock ... ??? Explain you guys, why is brock lesnar a threat to an experienced dog fighter like herring ??? The ufc HW division is going no where !!!

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You are right about one thing, Heath Herring has nothing to gain and everything to lose from this but nonetheless he accepted the fight. BUT you can't just say "Oh he's Brock and he's no danger" look at the style match up. He is definitely a danger and since I like the guy I'm happy they are at least putting him against good fighters unlike Kimbo Slice over in EliteXC who keeps getting cans. If you don't consider any guy as big and strong as Brock with good wrestling at least a little danger then you need to re-think how you decide who will win. I'm not saying he's the next Couture although he has the physical talents to be, that doesn't mean he will. But you have to admit that he matches up well with Herring and that is good for Brock.

And by the way telling us to explain and then assuming your point is a logical fallacy so you haven't proven anything either. You have given no reason for us to believe Brock isn't a threat instead you just say he's new, which means nothing, simply a light personal attack, "ad hominem".

i love Heath Herring. Just let me get that out of the way. The man takes a beating, throws punches, wrestles, he does everything in at least an above average way. He's fought the best, and put on a show every time (and lost every time). That being said, i see him just getting smashed. That's no shot at Heath, it's just where's he gonna train against that level of wrestling in the Heavy weight division? I hate Lesnar and his extreme one dimensionality but when it's at the level his is it works against the competition he's been given. Lesnar's gonna wrestle him down within 10-15 seconds and just beat and hold him down forever.

Now when it comes time to pick. Heath Herring Rd 2 Sub by RNC and i don't care about what anyone else says (btw his last win by sub was 5 years ago...)

lesnar 1rd tko. i see this fight going the same as the last where he runs across the ring walks over his opponent and administers that sledgehammer with a glove repetivly.

heath has been in there with some of the best fighters in the world. the thing that brock in his fight with mer was raw mat XP. i think herring could pull if off but it is going to be a feat for anyone to beat lesnar.

I'm really not sure who I'm picking in this fight. But, I do know that if Lesnar can beat Herring convincingly, he immediately becomes a legitimate MMA Heavyweight.

Herring is no joke. This is a huge fight for Lesnar. I don't see any way that Herring can keep this on the feet. I think the key is what kind of skill has Lesnar developed to finish the fight once he gets the takedown.

av bet anyone i got lesnar

Guess I will be the odd guy out. I am going with Herring. heath almost beat Nog in the UFC and he has alot more experiecnce in fighting then Brock. I dont think its that great of a matchup for Brock. We shall see though. I think alot of people are still riding the thrashing Brock was giving Mir before the submission but lets face it Mir has not been the same fighter since coming back from his injury. While Herring hasnt looked great in the UFC I think the guy has alot of potential. I am pulling for Heath.

I hope Herring wins but Lesnar is a beast

Even knowing Brocks gameplan I don't think Heath has an answer to Brocks strength and wrestlinf.