GSP vs. Thiago Alves

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chickmagnet
2/1/09 10:33:07PM
Crazy fight, Its so hard to pick a winner but due to Thiago's strength and his improved td defense i think he can pummel GSP on the feet for five rounds and if he did get taken down he has a bjj background so he could scramble to the feet and be in his comfort zone.

Alves - UD or late tko
Twenty20Dollars
2/1/09 10:35:19PM
Yeah I have no Idea on who Im going to pick. I like gsp, he's one of my top fav guys.

But Thiago keeps improving but so does GSP.

All I know is, this will be a war!
Mayhem13
2/1/09 10:39:23PM
personally I think this will be a cooler fight then the St.Pierre vs Penn fight for sure!

although Pierre is obviously an amazing athlete, and very well versed...I think Thiago uses leg kciks to soften Pierre up a bit..and ends up landing a big knee in he middle of the fight dropping Pierre.

WAR ALVES
tuvok500
2/1/09 10:39:53PM
GSP by MURDER, a complete and total demolition of Alves face , body and will.
Alves striking is good but not compare to GSP.
Alves is big but GSP is as big and stronger everywhere.
Alves looked hard to take down against Koscheck but GSP gonna wide the floor with Alves back at will.
As for the BJJ, make me laugh, Alves is nowhere close to the level of GSP.
GSP 's ability of executing the master game plan is miles ahead of anybody in mma.
And last thing but not the less, GSP conditioning is light years ahead of Alves will ever be.
Fitch destroyed Alves, ok it was a while ago but i would repick Fitch to beat Alves at anytime and remember how Fitch got schooled by GSP.

Pookie
2/1/09 10:41:54PM

Posted by tuvok500

GSP by MURDER, a complete and total demolition of Alves face , body and will.
Alves striking is good but not compare to GSP.
Alves is big but GSP is as big and stronger everywhere.
Alves looked hard to take down against Koscheck but GSP gonna wide the floor with Alves back at will.
As for the BJJ, make me laugh, Alves is nowhere close to the level of GSP.
last thing, GSP 's ability of executing the master game plan is miles ahead of anybody in mma.
And last thing but not the less, GSP conditioning is light years ahead of Alves will ever be.
Fitch destroyed Alves, ok it was a while ago but i would repick Fitch to beat Alves at anytime and remember how Fitch got schooled by GSP.




Fitch Didnt destroy Alves, Alves was winning the fight and got caught by an upkick. Or maybe the drugs have finally started to catch up with my brain not quite sure anymore.
Tein_Lung
2/1/09 10:42:04PM
Thiago looked like his pooed his pants in the cage next to GSP hes gonna lose badly
tuvok500
2/1/09 10:44:43PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by tuvok500

GSP by MURDER, a complete and total demolition of Alves face , body and will.
Alves striking is good but not compare to GSP.
Alves is big but GSP is as big and stronger everywhere.
Alves looked hard to take down against Koscheck but GSP gonna wide the floor with Alves back at will.
As for the BJJ, make me laugh, Alves is nowhere close to the level of GSP.
last thing, GSP 's ability of executing the master game plan is miles ahead of anybody in mma.
And last thing but not the less, GSP conditioning is light years ahead of Alves will ever be.
Fitch destroyed Alves, ok it was a while ago but i would repick Fitch to beat Alves at anytime and remember how Fitch got schooled by GSP.




Fitch Didnt destroy Alves, Alves was winning the fight and got caught by an upkick. Or maybe the drugs have finally started to catch up with my brain not quite sure anymore.



LOL !! What the hell is that avatar ???

And it is sad that i already have an avatar bet on GSP vs Alves because i would make sure to bring some amelioration to your " i don't know what it is " avatar !!

EvenFlow
2/1/09 10:45:45PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by tuvok500

GSP by MURDER, a complete and total demolition of Alves face , body and will.
Alves striking is good but not compare to GSP.
Alves is big but GSP is as big and stronger everywhere.
Alves looked hard to take down against Koscheck but GSP gonna wide the floor with Alves back at will.
As for the BJJ, make me laugh, Alves is nowhere close to the level of GSP.
last thing, GSP 's ability of executing the master game plan is miles ahead of anybody in mma.
And last thing but not the less, GSP conditioning is light years ahead of Alves will ever be.
Fitch destroyed Alves, ok it was a while ago but i would repick Fitch to beat Alves at anytime and remember how Fitch got schooled by GSP.




Fitch Didnt destroy Alves, Alves was winning the fight and got caught by an upkick. Or maybe the drugs have finally started to catch up with my brain not quite sure anymore.



indeed
Aaronno9
2/1/09 10:47:21PM
Very tought fight to call. Alves has a clear striking advantage, and GSP has a clear grappling advantage. I know Alves has a blackbelt and all, but, well, so does BJ and he couldnt stop GSP from taking him down and passing guard.

I guess it comes down to cant GSP take Alves down, and can Alves go five rounds after the huge weight cut he has to make? I just cant pick against GSP at this point though, so Id pick him via UD.
EvenFlow
2/1/09 10:54:49PM
I'm gonna boldly predict GSP cannot take Alves down, maybe one or two times but he will spring up fast if that happens. Definatly a more competitive fight than a WW fighting a LW, but two guys who cut from 190-220+ will be Georges weakness imo, which is why an Anderson fight would not make sense, he probably cant lay on Anderson for 5 rounds.
gartface
2/1/09 10:56:03PM

Posted by Aaronno9

Very tought fight to call. Alves has a clear striking advantage, and GSP has a clear grappling advantage. I know Alves has a blackbelt and all, but, well, so does BJ and he couldnt stop GSP from taking him down and passing guard.

I guess it comes down to cant GSP take Alves down, and can Alves go five rounds after the huge weight cut he has to make? I just cant pick against GSP at this point though, so Id pick him via UD.


Alves has a purple belt in BJJ. His ground game is not very good, but because his sprawl is top notch, the fight virtually never hits the ground. If GSP could get him to the ground, which I believe he could because of how good his wrestling is, he can and will submit Thiago.
sparky
2/1/09 11:26:10PM
GSP will finish Alves in my opinion prolly 2nd or 3rd round KO-TKO
gartface
2/1/09 11:28:02PM

Posted by sparky

GSP will finish Alves in my opinion prolly 2nd or 3rd round KO-TKO


I definitely think it will be a submission from Georges.
SociopathX
2/1/09 11:29:33PM
I'm not sure of my prediction just yet... i'll have to wait and see if GSP's cornerman are planning on applying more Vasoline on his back or not.
HMA123
2/1/09 11:33:00PM
In GSP recent fights, he hasn't fought any big standup guys.

Matt hughes: Decent standup, but relies on his wrestling
Matt serra: Has a big right hand, but comes from a BJJ background
Kos: Wrestler
Fitch: Wrestler w/ exceptional standup
BJ: Yeah BJ standup is good, but nowhere near Alves.

Alves on the other hand, is MT specialist, so this will be very interesting to see what happens on the feet.
On Alves takedown defense, very good. But, i cant see GSP getting stopped from anyones takedown defense at this moment. Best wrestler in MMA. Took down Kos,Fitch,Hughes,And you could say BJ with ease.

Strength wise, i really dont know, i think GSP will have the heart and lungs throughout the fight, but Alves is BIG dude. Could easily overpower him.
Very hard prediction for this fight.

My opinion: GSP by Unaminous or Ref stoppage. GnP all day.

On a side note; GSP is one of my favorite fighters, and will definetly go down to be one of the best.
Aether
2/2/09 12:15:24AM
I think it basically comes down to whether GSP can take him down or not. He probably can, but a big dude with vicious standup and a great sprawl is exactly the kind of fighter who is most dangerous to GSP IMO. If Matt Serra can KO him Alves definitely has a chance to as well. I think Georges is going to take it to the ground almost immediately and when he does he'll probably get a relatively easy submission after softening him up with some GnP.

Hard to pick, GSP is the better fighter all around for sure, but Alves is dangerous in one area where we've seen GSP take a loss from a lesser opponent. I'm leaning towards GSP, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Alves won.
Bowen50
2/2/09 12:41:18AM
there is really no doubt in my mind that GSP can take him down. Alves's stand up won't be as effective because he is going to be looking to defend the shot from GSP. GSP is just a much better overall fighter and will come in with a great gameplan and he'll finish Alves no later than the 3rd round. not to mention Alves looked like he lost control of his bowels when he stepped into the octagon after the fight last night.
mkiv9secsupra
2/2/09 1:29:09AM
I think everyone is overestimating Alves a bit. He has strong strikes but he gives up a lot of speed(its pretty evident when he fought Spencer Fisher). GSP is going to be patient and not shoot in whenever his opponent lands a punch, like Hughes or Kos. Alves is going to have problems when GSP comes in and effectively uses his striking to set up the takedown. Once its on the ground i dont think there's a chance of GSP not completely dominating and getting the submission quick.
gartface
2/2/09 1:39:27AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

I think everyone is overestimating Alves a bit. He has strong strikes but he gives up a lot of speed(its pretty evident when he fought Spencer Fisher). GSP is going to be patient and not shoot in whenever his opponent lands a punch, like Hughes or Kos. Alves is going to have problems when GSP comes in and effectively uses his striking to set up the takedown. Once its on the ground i dont think there's a chance of GSP not completely dominating and getting the submission quick.


loller90278
2/2/09 2:27:35AM
i'm sure the gameplan against alves will be effective. clinch with him and get him tired, and then finish him off in the 3rd or 4th.

i really feel that alves is overrated.
Aether
2/2/09 4:18:47AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra

I think everyone is overestimating Alves a bit. He has strong strikes but he gives up a lot of speed(its pretty evident when he fought Spencer Fisher). GSP is going to be patient and not shoot in whenever his opponent lands a punch, like Hughes or Kos. Alves is going to have problems when GSP comes in and effectively uses his striking to set up the takedown. Once its on the ground i dont think there's a chance of GSP not completely dominating and getting the submission quick.



I really don't think it's that people are overestimating Thiago, or that they think he's that unstoppable, it's just that when you see a guy with Matt Serra's reach and striking ability put him away it's hard not to assume that a much bigger and more profficient striker has the ability to accomplish the same thing.

Like I said, I definitely know that GSP is the better all around fighter. There's no question about that and I think most of the people picking Alves would agree, but his strength is GSP's biggest weakness (not that it's a very big weakness) so you can't discredit the fact that he has a solid chance to do the same thing Serra did. I am still almost definitely going to pick GSP, but I sure wouldn't be surprised if Alves put him away on the feet.
L-Dahab_87
2/2/09 5:14:59PM
You're right guys; It will most likely come down to whether GSP can take Alves down.

Alves has great take down defense, just watch his fight VS Kos; his sprawl was just amazing.

Alves' muay thai is far superior to GSP striking and i think GSP wont be able to take alves down at will like he does with everyone else. Sure, he'll get a takedown every now and then but not at will.



Alves's striking is superior, hes just as athletic and muscular as GSP and he has great takedown defense.

In the end, I see this being a standup war with Alves winning by either KO or TKO.
Tein_Lung
2/2/09 6:14:59PM

Posted by L-Dahab_87

You're right guys; It will most likely come down to whether GSP can take Alves down.

Alves has great take down defense, just watch his fight VS Kos; his sprawl was just amazing.

Alves' muay thai is far superior to GSP striking and i think GSP wont be able to take alves down at will like he does with everyone else. Sure, he'll get a takedown every now and then but not at will.



Alves's striking is superior, hes just as athletic and muscular as GSP and he has great takedown defense.

In the end, I see this being a standup war with Alves winning by either KO or TKO.

they also said Kos had the best takedown defense ever until GSP threw him around like a rag doll....
prozacnation1978
2/2/09 8:10:29PM
i will always be a gsp fan but i think it's alves time to shine if he can make weight but i think alves will knock gsp out
RampageOwnedYou
2/2/09 8:23:50PM
Alves via tko

Fellow camp member summed it up for me.
I think BJ's only chance to beat GSP was to rush him via Matt Serra style. But he didn't. I do see Alves being able to overpower GSP when in close, and will just overwhelm GSP. I think Alves will be able to finish him with strikes.
Thats my opinion, so I dont expect the GSP fans to agree with me. Should be a great fight for sure.
mkiv9secsupra
2/2/09 8:35:32PM

Posted by L-Dahab_8
Alves has great take down defense, just watch his fight VS Kos; his sprawl was just amazing.



His sprawl is amazing, sure, but GSP is a different kind of grappler rather than just freestyle wreslters like Kos and Hughes. GSP combines all aspects of takedowns and control into one strategy that so far no one has been able to stop effectively. He's used freestyle wrestling, judo, and trip takedowns in a way that Alves has never seen before. So there really isn't a comparison between Kos' and GSP's takedowns.
Jackelope
2/2/09 9:06:12PM
2 fights ago I would have said Alves doesn't stand a chance. Now, I'm not so convinced. If he shoots in for a double or single then Alves can sprawl out on GSP IMO. If he goes with a clinch I think Alves will have answers that BJ for some reason didn't want to use- knees.

In the end I'll for sure go with GSP. He will have a distinct advantage in the cardio department, and as long as he can stay out of trouble in the first and second rounds I don't believe he will face any problems whatsoever from Alves. However, those first two rounds I'd look for Alves to try to get his damage in. Alves can finish in 1 or 2, but GSP can finish in all 5 rounds. That's going to be the big difference maker.

Of course, this is all assuming that Alves actually makes weight I really think the guy is too big for 170.
Shoo
2/2/09 9:55:09PM
Most everyone here is giving Alves way to much credit. Sure he is a huge welterweight, and is a powerful striker, which gives him a chance. But anyone that believes this is a sure win for Alves is just employing wishful thinking and hating on GSP.

I am no "fan" of GSP, I think he is phony and annoying, but the dude is head and shoulders above any welterweight out there. Probably the best all around fighter in the world.
mrkennedy
2/2/09 10:39:26PM
GSP by Tko round 3
Tein_Lung
2/3/09 12:38:04AM

Posted by mkiv9secsupra


Posted by L-Dahab_8
Alves has great take down defense, just watch his fight VS Kos; his sprawl was just amazing.



His sprawl is amazing, sure, but GSP is a different kind of grappler rather than just freestyle wreslters like Kos and Hughes. GSP combines all aspects of takedowns and control into one strategy that so far no one has been able to stop effectively. He's used freestyle wrestling, judo, and trip takedowns in a way that Alves has never seen before. So there really isn't a comparison between Kos' and GSP's takedowns.

was not talking about Kos taking alves down i was talking how GSP took Kos down... everyone said before that Kos wouldn't be taken down by GSP and he did it with no effort... he will do the same to Alves
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