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AllKnowin1
2/1/09 1:02:50PM


Here is a Gif to judge for yourselves...

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B.J. Penn's Camp Files Formal Complaint Over Vaseline on St. Pierre's Back Between Rounds



B.J. Penn's camp has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission over Vaseline that was allegedly rubbed on Georges St. Pierre's back between rounds one and two. UFC president Dana White said at the post-fight press conference that he was aware of the complaint, and said he personally witnessed members of the commission take the Vaseline away from GSP's camp and rebuke them in the Octagon between rounds.

"I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."

"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.

"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."

As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.

"Who knows. That's up to the commission."




Source: http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penns-camp-files-formal-complaint-over-vaseline-st-pierres-back-between-rounds
Bowen50
2/1/09 1:11:29PM
GSP addressed this during the MMA Live post fight show and Frank Mir agreed with his explanation. he said that he had no clue what was happening and that he was just focused on the fight and afterwards he asked what happened. his trainer didn't realize he had vaseline on his hand and when they realized and the commission realized they immediately whipped it off with a towel.
StevieC
2/1/09 1:12:03PM
ALL of this conversation over that???

Give me a break!

GSP doesn't even realize it's happening....

I don't see how that help GSP punch Penn's face over and over and take him down at will.....
Lord_Lenny
2/1/09 1:13:57PM
i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.
tuvok500
2/1/09 1:16:30PM
absolutely ridiculous.

if the vasoline was really there the referee would have been notified and they would have removed it before starting the rd 2.


casey64
2/1/09 1:16:31PM

Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.




Exactly
BIGKAT
2/1/09 1:24:04PM

Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.






White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!
grappler0000
2/1/09 1:31:52PM

Posted by BIGKAT

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!



But if it was wiped off and cleared by the commission, then who benefited?
HumanTarget
2/1/09 1:33:46PM

Posted by BIGKAT


Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.






White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!



Lord_Lenny
2/1/09 1:35:58PM

Posted by BIGKAT


Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.






White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!


Listen i'm a huge BJ fan, a massive fan even. But he lost that fight, i'm no expert and i wasnt in there so i wouldnt know, but everytime BJ tried to throw on a triangle, high guard, rubber guard or anything GSP would posture up (basically avoiding without needing the grease) and avoid it and try to rain down a big punch/elbow. I cant see the fight going any other way unless BJ landed something standing, which the vaseline has no effect on.
Styles
2/1/09 1:46:00PM
I agree... I am a big Penn fan as well, and I was really pulling for him in this fight, but BJ was not in the shape he needed to be in for this fight, I think the added wieght caused him to be slower. GSP was in the best shape he has ever been in this fight, and he had no problem over powering Penn. Now if this fight was at a catch wieght fight, I think it woul dbe better for Penn, but I really hope that Penn continue's to fight at both 170 and 155 wieght.

As far as this whole grease thing goes, there is more that happens then most of the fans will ever know. There is always a "method" that will give a fighter a slightly better chance against cuts, submissions, whatever it may be. I dont think that very many will consider GSP a cheater, nor will this issue be talked about very much, were better off just dropping it and congrats to GSP for his win.
Mayhem13
2/1/09 1:49:22PM
My thoughts on this are kind of the same as Whites.

I really don't think it made a difference, especially since they wiped it off.....but at the same time, a rule is a rule..and if it was done intentionally something should be done about it.

I don't think anything will come of this...but if it happens again, it will be a different story.
Mayhem13
2/1/09 1:50:13PM
My thoughts on this are kind of the same as Whites.

I really don't think it made a difference, especially since they wiped it off.....but at the same time, a rule is a rule..and if it was done intentionally something should be done about it.

I don't think anything will come of this...but if it happens again, it will be a different story.
Bowen50
2/1/09 1:50:46PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by BIGKAT

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!



But if it was wiped off and cleared by the commission, then who benefited?



exactly. as soon as the commission saw it they whipped it off. i also highly doubt GSP's corner did that on purpose. Greg Jackson isn't the kind of trainer/cornerman that would let that fly.
wrona666
2/1/09 2:04:51PM
BJ was gassed after the first round and they are just trying to grasp at straws at this point.....Pretty pathetic if you ask me.....
SpiderSilva
2/1/09 2:07:05PM
This fight shoud be a NC BJ was robbed what a bunch of cheaters LOL













J/K but if that happened they really are cheaters
nickcuc547
2/1/09 2:07:33PM
it looked like he did rub it on the shoulders but the nsac official came over and wiped it off with a towel, gsp looked oblivious to it.
Playground_Samurai
2/1/09 2:12:55PM
I say give BJ an immediate rematch. If he wants to sign up for another ass kicking, more power to him.
bls1919
2/1/09 2:35:23PM
Penn got totaly obliterated and this is a weak attempt to taint GSP win. On a side note....Fitch looked like the terminator....bj .......didn't look like a god so much. i can't believe after all the shite he talked he came out like that. I loved it
wapttn
2/1/09 2:49:25PM

Posted by BIGKAT


Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.






White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!




NEGATIVE PROPS
FrankTheTank1181
2/1/09 2:49:37PM

Posted by bls1919

Penn got totaly obliterated and this is a weak attempt to taint GSP win. On a side note....Fitch looked like the terminator....bj .......didn't look like a god so much. i can't believe after all the shite he talked he came out like that. I loved it



You said taint...
motorboatensob
2/1/09 3:04:51PM

Posted by StevieC

ALL of this conversation over that???

Give me a break!

GSP doesn't even realize it's happening....

I don't see how that help GSP punch Penn's face over and over and take him down at will.....






Yep you have no clue what your corner is doing to you and there is no way it helps you. It want help you keep away from someone or help you pass there guard or keep you from pushing them off you. Weather it would have changed the out come or not it still isn't right. The fact is BJ gassed early but it still isn't right and if this has been going on before it could do to GSP what all the steroids things have do to baseball.
tuvok500
2/1/09 3:56:54PM

Posted by BIGKAT


Posted by Lord_Lenny

i dont think it would have mattered, may have interfered with rubberguard but ultimately GSP proved he was a better fighter last night.






White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight


How does he know that? He wasn't in the ring fighting GSP going for triangles and submissions. That's easy to say while sitting on the sidelines.

I am sure that GSPs corner knew that GSPs only danger would be the triangle, and they didn't "accidentally" put vaseline on his back. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing.


So the patriots cheated by spying on on other teams via cameras and audio, so only the person holding the camera shoudl be considered a cheater? So the end result of winning games that they wouldn't have otherwise won should still count as a win because only one guy was holding the camera?

Rediculous, and the same applies here, if one guy on the whole team cheats, they are all cheaters, without question, regardless of which team member cheated, they all benefited from in via the win.

That fight result needs to be voided, and a message sent to other camps that those tactics wont be tolerated. Anything less would be sending a message that it is okay to grease your fighter between rounds.

What a disappointment that they felt the need to cheat to the point that it was so obvious that the atheletic commision was aware of their tactics.

and I dont buy that "he didnt know he had vaseline on his hands." Once maybe, but twice? No accident and if you believe it was I have a bridge to sell you in San Fran!!!!!!!





What a great curling game description !! SWEEP !! SWEEP !!

nickcuc547
2/1/09 4:28:39PM

Posted by motorboatensob


Posted by StevieC

ALL of this conversation over that???

Give me a break!

GSP doesn't even realize it's happening....

I don't see how that help GSP punch Penn's face over and over and take him down at will.....






Yep you have no clue what your corner is doing to you and there is no way it helps you. It want help you keep away from someone or help you pass there guard or keep you from pushing them off you. Weather it would have changed the out come or not it still isn't right. The fact is BJ gassed early but it still isn't right and if this has been going on before it could do to GSP what all the steroids things have do to baseball.



if they rubbed it all over his back it would help, but not his shoulders like they did, plus you can clearly see that they wiped it off immediately after, the only point in that fight where it would have helped is possibly when bj had rubber guard, i do want to watch the fight again to see if he slid off or powered his way off, because he definitely powered his way to those guard passes and his posturing, bj was throwing his legs up all fight and he wasn't sliding off he was getting overpowerd, and it was pretty clear while watching it.
Ulfhethnar6
2/1/09 4:29:01PM
Innocent and inconsequential mistake.
holt8081
2/1/09 4:29:04PM
To bad Penn did not show up to fight last night
Aether
2/1/09 5:03:05PM
I think we can pretty much all agree on a couple of things here:

1. If any greasing did take place, it is the cornerman who is at fault, not GSP. It seems pretty clear from the .gif that GSP was in fight mode and completely unaware of the people touching him.

2. BJ almost definitely would have lost the fight whether GSP greased or not.

This doesn't mean that it should be OK. It should be looked into and if they find that the cornerman was doing it intentionally (to me in the .gif.... it looks intentional) he shouldn't be allowed to corner anyone again, but it doesn't seem like it's worth overturning the win. BJ got mauled and unless he pulled off a gogo or something when he had rubber guard, the fight would've gone down pretty much exactly the same way.
mrsmiley
2/1/09 5:09:45PM
I agree Aether.

I think the big point here is that though it might not have made a difference in this fight,their will come a fight were these tactics will make a difference.
And then someone will get cheated out of a win.
Wolfenstein
2/1/09 5:10:39PM

Aether
2/1/09 5:14:05PM
roflmao.... can't prop you, gotta spread the love.
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