GSP vs Condit

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ike134
10/14/11 5:32:19PM
My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!
Chael_Sonnen
10/14/11 6:31:48PM

Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.
ghandikush
10/14/11 6:42:43PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.



Punchers chance, other than that hell yeah.
karn501
10/14/11 11:35:33PM
things like this are exactly why gsp needs to be beaten don't get me wrong i like him he's a beast but he has been on such a roll that everyone he faces gets automatically counted out i do believe he will beat condit but i also thought serra had no chance in the first fight anyways pretty much every time i see a post about gsp fighting someone (along with a few other fighters) it is pretty much all gsp all the way which he has earned but people tend to forget that the reason this sport is so loved is because it is so unpredictable that being said gsp is going to destroy condit
Kpro
10/14/11 11:51:13PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.



I can cut through butter in under 25 minutes.
Pookie
10/14/11 11:59:11PM

Posted by Kpro


Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.



I can cut through butter in under 25 minutes.



40ouncetpkid
10/15/11 2:39:40PM

Posted by Kpro


Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.



I can cut through butter in under 25 minutes.





I actually like Condits chances though here, I think Condit is the most dangerous fighter GSP has ever faced whos the most dangerous off their back. Note I didn't say best bjj, but just the most dangerous off his back in preferably his guard. All Condit does is attack, attack, attack on the feet and on the ground off his back and thats what you need to beat GSP because usually GSP stays too comfortable outjabbing people or outwrestling them with no threat from the bottom but Condit will attack on the feet and could knock him out or catch him in a submission.

This is MMA and I like Condits chances better then almost anybody elses in the division.
prozacnation1978
10/16/11 1:53:44PM
Yeah 10 more days till I fly out to vegas for it

I won't feel bad if condit beats gsp
Another 25 min decision is getting old now
Pookie
10/16/11 10:19:19PM
Only guy to ever have a reach advantage on Gsp.
KungFuMaster
10/17/11 12:57:20AM

Posted by Kpro


Posted by Chael_Sonnen


Posted by ike134

My prediction...GSP running right through Condit!



Like a knife through butter.



I can cut through butter in under 25 minutes.



I do it in half a second.

KFM>GSP
jjeans
10/17/11 5:44:11AM
There are a lot of factors which are going to give GSP fits. This man is so confident that nobody can take him down that mentally he's in the right mind frame. He isn't afraid to throw knees.
GSP isn't a fighter he's a mixed martial artist. As we discovered against Shields if he gets hurt it messes his head up. He's fine giving a beat down but he can't take one. We've only seen him in real trouble once in his whole career. The thing about Diaz was that GSP knew if he starting getting jacked on his feet he'd be able to take him down with ease, and then could recover or try to in the active guard of Diaz, thing about Condit is, a hurt GSP isn't going to be able to take Condit down.

If Condit can land just a couple of clean shots of GSP it will be a whole different game.

GSP's last 9 opponents have landed 193 significant strikes. That averages at 21 Per opponent.

Matt Serra stopped GSP in 20 punches.

The fighters who really make that number so high was Jake Shields, John Fitch and Thiago Alves. THEY COVER 75% (145) OF THE SIGNIFICANT STRIKES THAT GSP'S LAST 9 OPPONENTS HAVE LANDED ALONE.

Which means the other 6 opponents averaged 8 strikes on him (Koscheck x 2, Serra, Hardy, BJ Penn and Matt Hughes)

Those stats are crazy to even get your head round.

I say all this because GSP's lack of killer instinct is all based on the fact people love him, he's not in there to fight, he's in there to participate in Mixed Martial Arts. I don't believe he likes finishing opponents as I don't think he likes to get hurt himself, there's a mental block in his head that makes him a good guy. I say this based on that he was able to break Josh Koschecks orbital with the first punch but Josh stood there for 25 minutes taking repeated jabs to it and as soon as the game changes for 2 out of 5 rounds with Jake Shields his whole gameplan goes out the window and he starts complaining other fighters don't even tell there corner they've broken there hand. I know GSP nearly finished Dan Hardy but the truth is he didn't but somehow Lytle was able to...

I'm not saying I think Condit will win, but if Condit lands and GSP looks hurt the fight will be over for GSP.

State_Champ
10/17/11 10:19:16AM
GSP UD.
We should all know this routine by now.
KungFuMaster
10/17/11 1:22:53PM

Posted by jjeans

There are a lot of factors which are going to give GSP fits. This man is so confident that nobody can take him down that mentally he's in the right mind frame. He isn't afraid to throw knees.
GSP isn't a fighter he's a mixed martial artist. As we discovered against Shields if he gets hurt it messes his head up. He's fine giving a beat down but he can't take one. We've only seen him in real trouble once in his whole career. The thing about Diaz was that GSP knew if he starting getting jacked on his feet he'd be able to take him down with ease, and then could recover or try to in the active guard of Diaz, thing about Condit is, a hurt GSP isn't going to be able to take Condit down.

If Condit can land just a couple of clean shots of GSP it will be a whole different game.

GSP's last 9 opponents have landed 193 significant strikes. That averages at 21 Per opponent.

Matt Serra stopped GSP in 20 punches.

The fighters who really make that number so high was Jake Shields, John Fitch and Thiago Alves. THEY COVER 75% (145) OF THE SIGNIFICANT STRIKES THAT GSP'S LAST 9 OPPONENTS HAVE LANDED ALONE.

Which means the other 6 opponents averaged 8 strikes on him (Koscheck x 2, Serra, Hardy, BJ Penn and Matt Hughes)

Those stats are crazy to even get your head round.

I say all this because GSP's lack of killer instinct is all based on the fact people love him, he's not in there to fight, he's in there to participate in Mixed Martial Arts. I don't believe he likes finishing opponents as I don't think he likes to get hurt himself, there's a mental block in his head that makes him a good guy. I say this based on that he was able to break Josh Koschecks orbital with the first punch but Josh stood there for 25 minutes taking repeated jabs to it and as soon as the game changes for 2 out of 5 rounds with Jake Shields his whole gameplan goes out the window and he starts complaining other fighters don't even tell there corner they've broken there hand. I know GSP nearly finished Dan Hardy but the truth is he didn't but somehow Lytle was able to...

I'm not saying I think Condit will win, but if Condit lands and GSP looks hurt the fight will be over for GSP.




I agree. I am also one of those who thinks GSP does not like to hurt or finish his opponents. The guy is so talented but so reserved in most of his fights. I think the only fight in which he was intent on giving a beat down was against Matt Serra part II. We all saw the Hardy fight in which GSP could have ripped out Hardy's shoulder. We all saw how he could have tko-ed Koscheck but was content on simply winning a decision.

I said this before: I think GSP can do so much more in the octagon but he rather not because he doesn't really want to ruin any fighter's career.

I also agree with you that GSP does not like getting hit like Machida. (Nobody likes to get hit but these two really go out of their way not to get hit )

For GSP and Machida, once they get hit hard ( and it doesn't even have to be anything that stuns them ) it will affect their confidence and game plan because they will now be worried about getting hit again.

So yes, I agree Condit has a legitimate chance.
Pookie
10/17/11 2:49:49PM
I really dont think he chose not to finish Hardy/Koscheck, but rather that he didn't think the risk/reward was worth it.

The whole doesnt want to damage a fighters career arguement doesnt make sense to me. Considering a clean Tko will put you out 6 months at the most, while repetitive damage to a broken eye can actually ruin you for life.
cowcatcher
10/17/11 2:58:23PM

Posted by Pookie

I really dont think he chose not to finish Hardy/Koscheck, but rather that he didn't think the risk/reward was worth it.

The whole doesnt want to damage a fighters career arguement doesnt make sense to me. Considering a clean Tko will put you out 6 months at the most, while repetitive damage to a broken eye can actually ruin you for life.



I agree completely. The guy likes being the champ and he doesn't want to risk not being the champ anymore so he fights to not lose. He can get away with that and avoid taking risks because he's a superior MMArtist and it's tough to find any real hole in his game other than finishing ability. He doesn't mind hurting people at all, he just doesn't like hurting them if his own safety(and that of the belt) is at risk when he does so.

EDIT: I like Condit's chances as much as any other WW's right now, even if he gets taken down he's active enough to have a shot at something, and his reach standing should make it an interesting fight wherever it goes. Would I pick against GSP? No way.
prozacnation1978
10/17/11 4:34:32PM
Call me crazy but I like this fight more than gsp vs diaz
He isn't called the natural born killer for nothing
Knocked out two guys who were never stopped in the ufc
Hardy and kim!!!

He won't sub gsp. But he can tko him
GsP chances of finishing condit is none to none
I can honestly see a upset in the making. So much that I will probably lay down
A bet on condit in vegas.

Either guy wins I will be happy. Should be a interesting bout.
KungFuMaster
10/17/11 6:15:32PM

Posted by Pookie

I really dont think he chose not to finish Hardy/Koscheck, but rather that he didn't think the risk/reward was worth it.

The whole doesnt want to damage a fighters career arguement doesnt make sense to me. Considering a clean Tko will put you out 6 months at the most, while repetitive damage to a broken eye can actually ruin you for life.



There are fighters who are born to fight. They have fire in their eyes and if one was to show a hint of wilt, they will be licking their chops as they come in for the kill.

GSP was not born to fight. He was born to compete. GSP is a compassionate person. I can tell that by the way he talks, the way he expresses himself and the way he fights. When you are as compassionate as GSP, you will feel sorry for your enemies and or your opponents.

Once a fight starts, both parties are out there to do battle - to hurt and to defend. During this stage of the fighting, adrenaline is high among both parties. It is kill or be killed. However, if one party has been rendered helpless, as a human, you do one of two things. 1. Go in for the kill or 2. pull your punches.

Those who choose to go for the kill do so because that is what they have been trained to do and their adrenaline is still pumping. Those who choose to pull their punches do so because of a number of reasons. The level of adrenaline has dropped tremendously because the foe is rendered helpless. The threat which was once there is no longer there anymore and some will be content to ride out a decision win because in their opinions, they have already won and they do not want to hurt their opponents anymore than they have to...

I don't know about you guys but I find it very difficult to channel all my strength into a punch when my opponent is already helpless. Just because mma is a blood sport, it does not mean all the fighters have to be savages.

GSP is a good competitor and human being. I may bash his reserved style of fighting but I will always praise his character and demeanor. I know in my heart GSP can easily finish many of his opponents and I have a feeling GSP knows it too...
jiujitsufreak74
10/17/11 9:52:25PM
i agree with Pookie. you can't pull punches in MMA and be successful at the highest level. it is a wild accusation to claim that GSP feels bad at hurting his opponents. he is a cage fighter, he literally fists fights people for a living. just because he doesn't go in for the kill doesn't mean it's because he doesn't want to hurt his opponents.

i definitely think it is because he doesn't want to risk losing. the reason he doesn't go in for the kill is because he doesn't want to ever expose himself to defeat. he has done this ever since he lost to Serra. just look at all his fights before the Serra loss. He brutally KO'd Hughes, went to war with BJ, KO'd Sherk, and choked out Trigg. He did not lack a killer instinct in any of those fights. in fact, his pursuit of his hurt opponents was gracefully violent. after he lost to Serra he seems to "play it safe" and he fights in a way as to not put himself at risk to lose.

Pookie
10/23/11 9:53:15AM

Posted by KungFuMaster

I am also one of those who thinks GSP does not like to hurt or finish his opponents . . . We all saw the Hardy fight in which GSP could have ripped out Hardy's shoulder . . . he doesn't really want to ruin any fighter's career.



Found it! Ufc 111 post conference
21:00 in, Gsp says he was going 100% and trying to break Hardy's arm, and was not holding back whatsoever. That it was technical flaws on his part coupled with Hardy's durability that caused the submissions to not work.

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