Greg Nelson: Brock Lesnar to beat Mark Coleman by ’smashing’ at UFC 87

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juanez13
4/17/08 3:55:33PM

“Brock is a bigger, faster and stronger wrestler, who also has knock out power with his hands, and he has a better submission game. If Mark attempts to take Brock down he will be sprawled on and end up on the bottom getting smashed. If it stays standing, Brock will smash him with his boxing skills. Lastly, if Brock wants to, he will take Mark down and smash him. I predict Brock winning by smashing Mark with his size 4 XXL hands.”




Greg Nelson — one of the top trainers for heavyweight fighter Brock Lesnar (and Sean Sherk) — shares his thoughts on the preparation for his fighter heading into a showdown against Mark Coleman at UFC 87 in Minneapolis, Minn., on August 9. Lesnar dropped his Octagon debut to Frank Mir at UFC 81: “Breaking Point” in February 2008.

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juanez13
4/17/08 4:05:15PM
I dont think Brock neccesarly has a better submission game, but i dont think Mark will have anything to offer either, although im sure brock is learning, i think he'd be better off just defending subs for now. I also dont think Brock has very good boxing skills, but again i dont think Mark will have anything to offer there, so i defenately give the advantage to brock on the feet based on raw power (like houston alexander, not neccesarly a good strikerm but if he connects your going down)........i also dont think Mark will put brock in his back, Brock having a big weight advantage (specially since coleman was ready to fight at 205) will help him alot.....................

the way i see it going is Brock wanting to stand with coleman, hits him a couple times, but coleman shots in, brock sprawlz and takes top position on coleman, he than unleashes a flury of punches that will stop Coleman within the first 2 minutes. Not that i dont give coleman a chance to win, i just think this is a bad match up for him.
Twenty20Dollars
4/17/08 4:39:30PM
i couldnt agree anymore.

I mean you got brock lesnar who is just like coleman only the younger, stronger, faster version. Two guys with the same skills only coleman has more experience but is just too old for young brock.

it's either going to end in the first or early in the second.
silverbullet
4/17/08 4:46:23PM
Coleman hasn't beaten anybody good since 2000

Lesnar is an amateur fighter

It's a toss up
RMFG_187
4/17/08 5:06:11PM
The question is, how much punishment can Coleman take with out getting KO'd. if the answer is a lot, then we got a fight brewing!

yay 700 posts
MondayNiteMauser
4/17/08 5:07:07PM
Lesnar is not amature at anything....

I'm glad this guy pointed out how good Lesnars boxing is...I know it was Frank Mir but he still dropped him twice in that fight. Lesnar is going to dominate this fight.
bullettdodger
4/17/08 5:21:07PM

Posted by MondayNiteMauser

Lesnar is not amature at anything....

I'm glad this guy pointed out how good Lesnars boxing is...I know it was Frank Mir but he still dropped him twice in that fight. Lesnar is going to dominate this fight.



The only SKILLS that Lesner has that are any better than average to sub par is his wrestling, which is phenominal, and maybe his work ethic, i can't really comment on that. It isn't a skill to have 4XXL Canned Hams for fists, its genetics i guess... just cause he has huge hands and power doesn't make his boxing good, it makes it effective.
saemskin
4/17/08 6:03:57PM
I think this will be a telling fight. Obviously Coleman isn't nearly as skilled at subs as Frank Mir, but Coleman can take some punishment and he may be old but everytime he fights he scares me. He's a scary looking mofo, but then again so is Brock.

Does anyone else think Coleman may be too experienced for Lesnar? I mean, are they putting him up against guys who are beyond his level? He's freaking 1-1 yes? Coleman has been fighting MMA since, what.... 1992 or something? I think Lesnar should have been fighting lower level guys until he is ready. Build up some octagon experience, then go after the Lions.

I could be wrong....
tdietel01
4/17/08 6:26:34PM

Posted by saemskin

I think this will be a telling fight. Obviously Coleman isn't nearly as skilled at subs as Frank Mir, but Coleman can take some punishment and he may be old but everytime he fights he scares me. He's a scary looking mofo, but then again so is Brock.

Does anyone else think Coleman may be too experienced for Lesnar? I mean, are they putting him up against guys who are beyond his level? He's freaking 1-1 yes? Coleman has been fighting MMA since, what.... 1992 or something? I think Lesnar should have been fighting lower level guys until he is ready. Build up some octagon experience, then go after the Lions.

I could be wrong....



they need to build him up like kimbo is getting built up! tank was experienced but not close to the level as coleman.
Twenty20Dollars
4/17/08 7:30:34PM
well brock doesnt want to take the easy way like kimbo i'll tell you that. Coleman is just too old for this, yes he's more experienced but i dont think that works to his advantage at his age.
ThaAxeMurderer7
4/17/08 7:53:00PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

well brock doesnt want to take the easy way like kimbo i'll tell you that. Coleman is just too old for this, yes he's more experienced but i dont think that works to his advantage at his age.



I def. agree with that. There pretty much isn't an easy road if you want to fight in the UFC. I see the ref stopping the fight in the first rd giving Lesnar his first win in the octagon.
bls1919
4/17/08 8:09:58PM
We all know this isnt going to be a great submission wrestling bout. That being said it will be who has the better stand up. neither of these guys are elite strikers but brock size and speed will help him greatly. The unknown is brocks chin. If Coleman can catch him early and stay on him, I think thats his best shot at winning.
rabbit915
4/17/08 8:24:45PM

Posted by saemskin

Does anyone else think Coleman may be too experienced for Lesnar? I mean, are they putting him up against guys who are beyond his level? He's freaking 1-1 yes? Coleman has been fighting MMA since, what.... 1992 or something? I think Lesnar should have been fighting lower level guys until he is ready. Build up some octagon experience, then go after the Lions.



The problem is that his salary is so high that they have no choice but to put him against good fighters. They cant pay a guy that much to put him in prelims or early on in the card. They also cant have him fighting a can as a co-main event or the hardcore fans will be up in arms about how the UFC has lost its focus. By putting him against former stars, they can legitmately put him in the co-main event. Basically Joe Silva has twice made impressive choices that manage to work for both sides.
tepid55
4/17/08 8:40:33PM
I give Coleman a good chance in this fight.
prozacnation1978
4/17/08 10:58:31PM
if he comes out guns blazing like he did against mir he will ground n pound coleman out. i really don't see this fight going past the first round, but i am very excited about it
jiujitsufreak74
4/17/08 11:20:58PM

Posted by MondayNiteMauser

Lesnar is not amature at anything....

I'm glad this guy pointed out how good Lesnars boxing is...I know it was Frank Mir but he still dropped him twice in that fight. Lesnar is going to dominate this fight.



hate to break this two you...but when you have only 2 professional fights, you aren't exactly world class. i guess you can't actually say he is an amateur because he has fought pro, but from a fans perspective you can say that he is an amateur fighter because he has little experience. i agree that Lesnar will look dominant in this one, he is just a younger, stronger Coleman as other have pointed out but Coleman has become crafty after all these years and the only way i see Coleman winning is by getting Brock in a sub. but who knows...i mean Coleman does have better wrestling credentials but Brock is just way more explosive so i think the X-factor here will be how well Brock's wrestling matches up with Coleman's wrestling in MMA.
jakeiceman
4/17/08 11:32:48PM
I'm pickin Coleman.....you gotta go with the old guy!! You damn whipper snappers
IriShame
4/18/08 3:10:12AM
No, Lesnars boxing is amateur at best. He may have power but if you didn't at that size I would be concerned. His boxing is far from a sweet science. Stiff, slow, and robotic are words that come to mind. Remember, outboxing a BJJ guy is nothing to brag about.
saemskin
4/18/08 8:31:09AM

Posted by IriShame

No, Lesnars boxing is amateur at best. He may have power but if you didn't at that size I would be concerned. His boxing is far from a sweet science. Stiff, slow, and robotic are words that come to mind. Remember, outboxing a BJJ guy is nothing to brag about.



When did Brock outbox a BJJ guy? He took mir down without throwing a single punch. Then when they stood back up he had 1 punch to knock mir back down again before getting submitted.

So, my question to you is, when exactly did he "outbox" Frank?
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