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Ydoc
6/18/07 12:04:52PM
I like this look better. Has a nice flow to it, and having nav at the top works better. Also enjoy the new features like "My Game History," where I can watch my run at the top turn into utter shit in the span of 10 events. Like the newest comments feature on the forums too.

Really enjoying the badges people get under their names too... it's a really cool way to hilight something someone has done. I really hope they stack, so people can have like a bunch of them going down their name. Maybe max it at 5. Or if someone has multiple badges they could choose which to use. The posibilities are endless. Looking forward to the"Hall of Fame."

EDIT: Forgot to mention how much cooler the wagering system is now, I can now bet on fights that would have been impossible to get anyone to bite on in the other setup. Also it keeps people from abusing the system. Nice job changing. I was wondering if our picks make the odds, because that'd be really cool.

Great job man, keep up the good work.
DoTheMMAth
6/18/07 12:34:04PM

Posted by Ydoc

I like this look better. Has a nice flow to it, and having nav at the top works better. Also enjoy the new features like "My Game History," where I can watch my run at the top turn into utter shit in the span of 10 events. Like the newest comments feature on the forums too.

Really enjoying the badges people get under their names too... it's a really cool way to hilight something someone has done. I really hope they stack, so people can have like a bunch of them going down their name. Maybe max it at 5. Or if someone has multiple badges they could choose which to use. The posibilities are endless. Looking forward to the"Hall of Fame."

EDIT: Forgot to mention how much cooler the wagering system is now, I can now bet on fights that would have been impossible to get anyone to bite on in the other setup. Also it keeps people from abusing the system. Nice job changing. I was wondering if our picks make the odds, because that'd be really cool.

Great job man, keep up the good work.



Thanks for the kind words man, they are appreciated

Re the badges: In the event you've earned more than 1 badge for something you can select which one appears by your name on the forums via a new option which you will see at the bottom of the "My Account" page. ALL badges earned will appear in your profile, even if you somehow manage to earn 100 of them, they will all be visible. Since we've issued badges for the prior season's activities we already have several users with 2 badges (B_Goetz, babalu2720, greshamfighter, pickledpunk, Porch28, xthe_scottx, yamaneko, zephead)

Personally I like the new wager system much better. And yes, it is partially based on user picks on the site among some other data that we factor in. There were just too many people making multiple accounts to wager against themselves with, and it wasn't a true level playing field as a result. Also, waiting for people to get back to you on a wager sucked and it wasn't easy to find folks to make bets with on the lesser known fighters. People hate change though, and I'm sure there are plenty who would have rather had it the old way, but for us to give away a per-event and season prizes to the top wagerers we had to do something to make sure that everyone is on equal footing. +/- odds may be confusing to some people, but in reality this wager system is very very simple compared to large array of different types of betting you can participate in on a true sportsbook site.
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 12:51:32PM
new wagering sucks now there is no reason or no way to make wagers with friends. not going to make it as fun when watching fights to rub it in to your friends when you take there cash. this is hurting.
o yeah and i forgot and we all start out with 1000 now like wy didn;t we keep out cash we had befor so huritng. way to mess up a good thing guys.
aznteabagger
6/18/07 1:00:00PM

Posted by nellyhiphophead

not going to make it as fun when watching fights to rub it in to your friends when you take there cash.




Jamie98s
6/18/07 1:05:01PM
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 1:06:22PM
well made my wagers i'll see you guys saterday night to see how i did and make my wagers for ufc 73. wow i get to spend 5 mins on here now and get everything done. now i don't have to spend anytime on the websight. great way to keep ppl comign back to the sight and stayign on it and posting on the forums.
Mayo
6/18/07 1:11:31PM
It might be too late for this suggestion but....

How about the concept of a public bankroll and a private bankroll?

1) We could use the private bankroll to bet with friends (or with other users) but it wouldn't count towards any public stats.

2) The private bankroll could be tied to the Fantasy Picks section so that it gets slightly replenished over time.

3) The public bankroll would be what is displayed under our avatar and is used for the stats and used for the Fantasy Wagers section

nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 1:16:56PM
they don't even need to do that they should of jst left it how it was and that the money was for just fun and making your picks is what counted for prizes. i would rather see cash go to the top 3 for picks then the top earner and then the top points for a event.
aznteabagger
6/18/07 1:24:09PM

Posted by Mayo

It might be too late for this suggestion but....

How about the concept of a public bankroll and a private bankroll?

1) We could use the private bankroll to bet with friends (or with other users) but it wouldn't count towards any public stats.

2) The private bankroll could be tied to the Fantasy Picks section so that it gets slightly replenished over time.

3) The public bankroll would be what is displayed under our avatar and is used for the stats and used for the Fantasy Wagers section




now the problem is...are the admins going to take this into consideration
aznteabagger
6/18/07 1:26:23PM
they made this game with fantasy money wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too competitive
DoTheMMAth
6/18/07 1:29:10PM

Posted by nellyhiphophead

new wagering sucks now there is no reason or no way to make wagers with friends. not going to make it as fun when watching fights to rub it in to your friends when you take there cash. this is hurting.
o yeah and i forgot and we all start out with 1000 now like wy didn;t we keep out cash we had befor so huritng. way to mess up a good thing guys.



Thanks for taking the time to give us some feedback

In order to give out prizes for the season and per-event, the bankrolls had to all be reset. Someone starting with $10k has a much larger per-event and overall season potential than someone with $1k.

All the mods having to spend time after each event investigating and policing wagers was quite tedious, and people will still always slip through the cracks. This situation was only becoming more and more unmanageable as the number of users on the site continues to grow. It's truelly amazing how many people took the time and effort to game a system that had no prize besides a little green number on your profile.

There is a reason that it said "BETA" at the top of the site by our logo, the first season was a beta season used to get the game figured out and to see what is the best, fairest course of action for everyone.

Of course everyone has an opinion and personal preference for how they would like to see the site operate. Sadly, it is not possible to please everyone, and it is human nature to dislike changes in your environment. If these changes have disrupted your experience here, we apologize, but please be aware that all changes that have been made from the game's first crude incarnation were done for the purpose of trying to make the games as fun, fair, and interesting as possible for everyone that plays our free fantasy game. Shooting ourselves in the foot would make no sense.

It isn't out of the realm of possibilities to make a small , separate personal bankroll again at some point in the future (perhaps just limiting it to inter-camp wagers or something like that because there are no plans to have our staff spending time policing thousands and thousands of users wagers for each event), but for now we're just trying to get folks familiar with the new look of the site and preparing themselves for season 2.
Guerilla_maab
6/18/07 1:31:41PM

Posted by Ydoc

I like this look better. Has a nice flow to it, and having nav at the top works better. Also enjoy the new features like "My Game History," where I can watch my run at the top turn into utter shit in the span of 10 events. Like the newest comments feature on the forums too.

Really enjoying the badges people get under their names too... it's a really cool way to hilight something someone has done. I really hope they stack, so people can have like a bunch of them going down their name. Maybe max it at 5. Or if someone has multiple badges they could choose which to use. The posibilities are endless. Looking forward to the"Hall of Fame."

EDIT: Forgot to mention how much cooler the wagering system is now, I can now bet on fights that would have been impossible to get anyone to bite on in the other setup. Also it keeps people from abusing the system. Nice job changing. I was wondering if our picks make the odds, because that'd be really cool.

Great job man, keep up the good work.



DoTheMMAth
6/18/07 1:32:34PM

Posted by nellyhiphophead

they don't even need to do that they should of jst left it how it was and that the money was for just fun and making your picks is what counted for prizes. i would rather see cash go to the top 3 for picks then the top earner and then the top points for a event.



We also needed a fair way to break ties for potential per-event and season prizes. By having the wagering system be un-cheatable and be a game in which everyone has equal opportunity, we now have a fair way to settle ties in the points game. Out of the first 10 events in season 1, there were 3 events with a tie in the points scored for first place. How could we break a tie using a wagering system that favors clever cheaters and/or people who have simply played the game longer? As the number of users on the site continues to grow, these ties for event (and even possibly full seasons) are only going to increase.
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 1:40:35PM
ok if ppl were tied in a event then you woudl take the first and second place cash put it together then spit it in half and give each person half. liek they do with the lotto if you win. and you guys made the change that you had to give odds on fights so how can ppl cheat then and that the fantasy cash can't win you real money then who would care if ppl cheated even if you can't.
babalu2720
6/18/07 2:01:55PM
You guys are bein a bit harsh, they put a lot of work into this and the fact that its free to play and we still can make money is great. i dont need to rub it in my friends face. you can still rub it in if you made the right pick and he didnt. i mean out of every player on this site i got screwed the most and im not complainig. I would have started off with about 11k and could have cruised the first couple of events and maybe the whole season makin tons of cash(both real and fake) the house betting makes it more fair. You guys can start your own site if its that bad. its one thing do disagree, but your makin this into a big issue.
grappler0000
6/18/07 2:30:43PM
I think all of the new changes are phenomenal. I think the only thing that people will continue to disagree on is the wagering. My 2 cents...the idea of a public and private bankroll wouldn't really work too well if people can't see your private bankroll...that would mean no bragging rights, hence the entire purpose. I do like the ideas of wagering amongst your own team though. The only question I would have for that would be what happens if you were to switch camps? Would that put you back at the original 1K...of coarse that makes for a loophole if you've actually lost money and gone below your starting point.

Really though, all of the new features are pretty awesome.
Mayo
6/18/07 2:44:17PM
Well the private bankroll could be displayed within your camp, so you'd have bragging rights within your camp.
You could still wager with people in other camps and if they clicked on your profile they could also see your private bankroll.
Bottomline, none of this would count towards any stats/prizes so the mods would not have to monitor cheating.

If you switched camps you'd be a traitor and your IP would be associated with a Traitor avator... JUST KIDDING!
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 2:45:42PM
i don't think they should give prizes for wagering and give more away for points. cause making the picks i think is the big thing on this sight and now they are making it feel like they both mean the same. yes i can see that having a house makes it fair but i like the wagering with other ppl casue i did it with my friends for the most and we had fun rubbing it in when you won. i jsut think the house will take away from the forums also casue i know a few guys in my campo that only coem to the forums to find wagers or post them so now that they don't need to do that they might not come to the forums ever.
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 2:53:03PM

Posted by babalu2720

You guys are bein a bit harsh, they put a lot of work into this and the fact that its free to play and we still can make money is great. i dont need to rub it in my friends face. you can still rub it in if you made the right pick and he didnt. i mean out of every player on this site i got screwed the most and im not complainig. I would have started off with about 11k and could have cruised the first couple of events and maybe the whole season makin tons of cash(both real and fake) the house betting makes it more fair. You guys can start your own site if its that bad. its one thing do disagree, but your makin this into a big issue.


i don't think we are being harsh we are saying how we feel. thats been the good thing with mmaplayground they have always ask for what everyone wanted, liked and dislike with how the sight is. so that all we are doing. like ok i could say yes i see how it's fair to change the wagering but i don't like how they are making it feel so importent now. yaes i think it is good they reset the cash i can see why they did that. the new look is great i like it. i love how much you guys are trying to give back with all the prizes besides i think prizes should only be for cash. if you want wagers to matter then maybe have a store where you can get cup, caps, t-shirt if you trade in fantasy cash. kind of like airmiles i think that would be real cool. but then i could see maybe that gettign out of hand and costing you guys alot. but maybe not if you make stuff like 10,000 or more for a cup.
Mayo
6/18/07 2:59:19PM
I love that idea of a store!
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 3:02:46PM
I also liek those things under the names for gettign ist in a event or top 3 would even be cool for each events and be able to display up to 3 then after that jsut pick the top 3 you would like to show or somethign and then you can look at the all in your profiles. and they will work you into the hall of fame. jsut another idea i don't think jsut casue it's season 2 you guys still can't change things like if you look at it your like 1/2 a year old if that and you guys have come a long way and yes i do thank you guys for all you give us. sorry if i sounded harsh befor i jsut didn't liek seeing that i couldn't wager with my friends. but yeha maybe in the end this way will work better.
Ulio
6/18/07 3:08:00PM
I think it looks good i hope i am good it willbe my 1st wager good job guys i think it is more simple then before.
B_Goetz
6/18/07 3:10:50PM
I think this was a big improvement.

I was going to quit betting altogether under the old system, just because it was too much work (and had more to do with out-hustling people than picking better - it's more meaningful now).

I agree with Ydoc that it would be really cool if we could stack our best badges. Also, it would be nice if everyone on a winning team could put their "winning team badge" under their profile, for team spirit. Currently I don't think that's possible.

Important question: Will money be reset at the beginning of every season?
nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 3:15:32PM

Posted by B_Goetz

I think this was a big improvement.

I was going to quit betting altogether under the old system, just because it was too much work (and had more to do with out-hustling people than picking better - it's more meaningful now).

I agree with Ydoc that it would be really cool if we could stack our best badges. Also, it would be nice if everyone on a winning team could put their "winning team badge" under their profile, for team spirit. Currently I don't think that's possible.

Important question: Will money be reset at the beginning of every season?


you bring up all good points and i was just thinking the same for cash cause then my store idea wouldn't work to well if it reset every season. and if they don't reset it and keep the old way ppl that have alot of cash will stay at the top and new ppl and ppl that lost ,most there cash and don't have much no chance of getting to the top and getting prizes. thats why i like the store idea wiht the cash cause every one can work and save towords something. and in the end i think more ppl will win then besides the same person winning all the time.

but i like that team spirit idea too. make it feel like more of a team/
Stickan
6/18/07 3:17:28PM

Posted by B_Goetz

I think this was a big improvement.

I was going to quit betting altogether under the old system, just because it was too much work (and had more to do with out-hustling people than picking better - it's more meaningful now).

I agree with Ydoc that it would be really cool if we could stack our best badges. Also, it would be nice if everyone on a winning team could put their "winning team badge" under their profile, for team spirit. Currently I don't think that's possible.




I love the changes. I did pretty good wagering wise last season but I have to admit a lot of my success was probably due to me "out-hustling" others.
This one feels more meaningful and more based on skill. Hopefully I'll do good anyway

Great record by the way Goetz
CornishMMA
6/18/07 3:21:00PM
Yes it will - i read that in the new rules im sure
B_Goetz
6/18/07 3:27:16PM

Posted by Stickan

Great record by the way Goetz



Thanks man. You too.

Good game all around, everybody. It's been fun sorting this all out in Season 1.

nellyhiphophead
6/18/07 3:28:38PM

Posted by CornishMMA

Yes it will - i read that in the new rules im sure


yeah i just looked and it says they will reset the cash so i guess that kind of takes my store idea out of it casue you would have to save cash up over season for that.
Mayo
6/18/07 3:31:45PM
We could still do the store idea because you would have to buy stuff from the store before the season ends.
Ydoc
6/18/07 3:38:04PM

Posted by B_Goetz
(and had more to do with out-hustling people than picking better - it's more meaningful now).



No kidding... what you did with Starnes vs. Leben might be the biggest reason for the wagering change.

Thanks for the new system, you slime.
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