Was Gray Maynard out?

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POLL: Was Gray Maynard Out?
Yes (No Contest) 71% (95)
No (Gray Won by Tapout) 29% (38)
ac_gi
6/25/07 12:46:12AM
Was he out? Of course he was. His muscles tensed up, then when he regained consciousness, he was unable to stand up without assistance. But I think they should have given the fight to Maynard via tapout. They didn't rule the Hughes v Newton fight a NC, why would they do it here?
postman
6/25/07 1:21:39AM
Good Call he was out.
dustyp
6/25/07 1:52:59AM
I completely agree with the n/c gray was clearly out he couldnt even stand up when the doctor came in.so if rob could of got up or even roll over he would of won. even though i hated seeing it end that way it was fair.
ac_gi
6/25/07 4:30:12AM
MrGreeny
6/25/07 5:33:35AM
Gray was out even before the tap. So, i think NC is the best way to deal with the situation... U have to look at Gray when the doctor puts him on the ground.. He was still limb... Self-KTFO

One more thing... If u watch closely Gray's arm was not trapped under Emmerson's back. The hand was under his butt and Emmerson's weight was on his back because he was buckling in that moment, so Gray could easily get his arm out if he wasn't out. His arm even moves up when Rob lifts his butt - totaly stiff!
The_Iceman
6/25/07 6:23:36AM
Maynard was out, no doubt about it.
But I believe the referee didn't see this right away.. so when the ref was calling for the end of the fight, HE prob. thought Maynard had won..
Leland
6/25/07 8:29:24AM

Posted by hippysmacker


Posted by nubby


Posted by hippysmacker

I think Gray was dazed, not out. his eyes are open when he rolls over. I don't think they had " rolled into the back of his head" as Rogan rudely claimed IMO. Emerson tapped, and that should be that to me. As for Rogan, I admit to liking him most of the time, but I thought he was rude to keep telling Maynard he was out, when he had no proof of it." IF" Gray was out it was when he was face down on Emerson's chest. We can't see his face and " know" if he was or not. As for Gray, I would have been pissed too, if I felt a victory was stolen from me. Out of the 7 people at my house this heavily discussed and opinions split. So I understand if someone feels differently. For me, I try to deal in facts when making a decision. Fact- Emerson tapped due to what Gray did to him . Fact- We can't tell if Gray was out or not. That's my 2 cents


Bullcrap, he was out. It was plain as day. His eyes were definitely not wide open, they were barely open and he was staring off in to la la land. No contest.



Since I have a 60 inch bigscreen and walked right up to it confirm his eyes were open, I am certain you are wrong.




I Agree. he may have been stunned, but the fact of the matter is Emerson tapped. Emerson tapped before you saw Gray KO'd. The ref had his hand on Emerson saying he was done. The NC on Gray's record was uncalled for. Hughes didnt get a NC why is it right for Gray to?
Trapt1nw0nder
6/25/07 10:57:43AM
when i was in a car crash and got knocked out unconsious i lost a huge chunk of memory......my friends told me i was talking to them fine after the crash,and that i seemed to be all there,but i didnt remember any of it till later on when i was at the hospital(didnt even know how i got there and why till my parents told me i was in an accident)....so i am pretty sure Gray was still out of it,and dont even remember what he said during the post fight interview(unless he saw it of course)
jamessick
6/25/07 12:11:56PM
I initially thought that Maynard got screwed (and I picked Emerson). But the more I see it, I could go either way. Just wondering though, if calling it a "technical draw" would be a more accurate call than a "no contest". Clearly there was a contest. One guy has a rib in his lung and the other guy is 2 inches shorter than he was an hour ago.
nibrack11
6/25/07 1:39:01PM
in my mind i think he was pretty out of it and rob tapped almost at the exact same time and if he didnt tap he would have won the fight, but i still like gray more and he was winning the fight so i have to say no contest because it was even and i couldnt choose who won.
hook_tothe_body
6/25/07 1:50:21PM

Posted by BeaturAss

I don't know how many of you guys were in a fight before?! you don't give up until its over... Maynard held his own until the guy tapped out and the ref called it off... When it was called off he layed on the side and gave up his strength thinking it was over! He was stunned that's for sure but conscious of what is going on... Clearly, NSAC took the win from Gray Maynard!

Question is who tapped out on that fight? What was the reason why the ref called off the fight? You are only assuming that Gray Maynard won't be able to continue on that fight, just because you saw that his eyes rolled over after the fight was called off doesn't mean that he is out!?! As far as I'm concerned it is only an assumption by the people who just watch and were not on that fight and made the decision just because of there stature on the sport!

It's UNFAIR to the fighter who was not tested that he's out on that fight and somebody just calls him that his out!?! and what rematch are you talking about? Maynard completely dominated that fight from start to finish...



Maynard did dominate from start to finish, but there will be a rematch because of how the fight ended. I think Maynard will win the rematch cleanly.

Honestly, I don't care about either of these fighters. They both came off as babies at the end of the fight. Gary bitching that he wasn't out, Rob saying stuff like "I don't conside this a win, I didn't beat this guy because of the way it ended ... " saying it like he won the fight because Gary was out. It's like he forgot that he tapped out.

I'm happy with the no contest, even though it looked like the ref stopped the fight because of Rob tapping. Both fighters couldn't do anything. Rob had a hurt rib or whatever and couldn't fight, if not for that fact Maynard was so hurting someone without boxing or BJJ training could have kicked his ass. It just would have been a matter of jumping on him and finishing it off.
nubby
6/25/07 2:00:00PM

Posted by Leland


Posted by hippysmacker


Posted by nubby


Posted by hippysmacker

I think Gray was dazed, not out. his eyes are open when he rolls over. I don't think they had " rolled into the back of his head" as Rogan rudely claimed IMO. Emerson tapped, and that should be that to me. As for Rogan, I admit to liking him most of the time, but I thought he was rude to keep telling Maynard he was out, when he had no proof of it." IF" Gray was out it was when he was face down on Emerson's chest. We can't see his face and " know" if he was or not. As for Gray, I would have been pissed too, if I felt a victory was stolen from me. Out of the 7 people at my house this heavily discussed and opinions split. So I understand if someone feels differently. For me, I try to deal in facts when making a decision. Fact- Emerson tapped due to what Gray did to him . Fact- We can't tell if Gray was out or not. That's my 2 cents


Bullcrap, he was out. It was plain as day. His eyes were definitely not wide open, they were barely open and he was staring off in to la la land. No contest.



Since I have a 60 inch bigscreen and walked right up to it confirm his eyes were open, I am certain you are wrong.




I Agree. he may have been stunned, but the fact of the matter is Emerson tapped. Emerson tapped before you saw Gray KO'd. The ref had his hand on Emerson saying he was done. The NC on Gray's record was uncalled for. Hughes didnt get a NC why is it right for Gray to?



Sorry but your 60 inch TV isn't going to help considering it wasn't televised in HD. You, just like everyone else get a nice big blurry blotch where his eyes are. Secondly, even Joe Rogan, who was looking at the replay at the actual event confirmed that His eyes were rolled back in his head. DEAL WITH IT, NO DECISION, END OF STORY.
scoozna
6/25/07 3:00:13PM
'During an interview last night on The Fight Network’s “The LAW” radio show, Maynard said he had not decided whether he would officially contest the ruling, but he did state that the UFC had already spoken to him about a possible rematch.'

UFCJunkie
Aether
6/25/07 3:11:44PM
I don't see how you can say "matt hughes didn't get a NC so why should gray?" that logic is pretty flawed. We made a bad decision once, so let's continue to make it! The situations aren't really the same either quite frankly. Newton was knocked unconscious BECAUSE of the fact that he knocked Hughes unconscious in the first place. The only reason that one wasn't declared NC is because no one except Matt realized that Matt was out until he started running around telling people.

Or maybe they realized it's ridiculous to award a victory to a fighter who was not only rendered unconscious, but was rendered unconscious BEFORE his opponent. Please take a minute to think about that.

I have a hard time believing anyone thinks No Contest is "unfair" to the guy who knocked his own ass unconscious.
Berti
6/25/07 3:14:49PM
i think he was out also, but if they call that a no contest, you need to go back and take a win away from matt hughes, cause the ronin carlos newton had him out standing up with a triangle, and when he fell it koed newton, both were out, but it was convient that big john woke up matt and not carlos...anyone else see that fight and know what i mean...lol.
Aether
6/25/07 3:56:00PM
Honestly I think Matt just got lucky. No one knew he was unconscious except him, he just happened to have fallen into a position where when he woke up, he fell back into a sitting position, and while he did look kind of confused, he definitely didn't look like he was unconscious. I didn't even realize what had happened until I heard Matt saying "I was asleep" to his cornermen.
Mastodon2
6/25/07 4:41:49PM
I can understand that Gray was upset at the no contest, just like Matt Hughes, just like Lindland, just like Mark Kerr, he didnt even know what had happened to him, he probably genuinely believed that he hadnt even bumped his head.

However, when he was pulled off Rob, he was limp and flopping around, his mouth was open and his eyes were rolling around in their sockets. He was out.

No contest imo. Not a fan pleasing outcome, but thats how it goes sometimes.
MMA117
6/25/07 4:53:56PM

Posted by ac_gi




Hes out his arm is nerve memory keeping the arm contracted and up he was out 4sho
NC is the right call go bigJ
Signal2112
6/25/07 5:52:59PM
I think he was out. Despite the fact that he was all over Emerson, he was still knocked out. It was a good fight, not an ideal outcome though. Neither of them looked particularly classy after the fight, Gray whined like a girl and Rob gave the whole "I'm injured..." thing...
Mastodon2
6/25/07 6:36:41PM

Posted by Aether

Honestly I think Matt just got lucky. No one knew he was unconscious except him, he just happened to have fallen into a position where when he woke up, he fell back into a sitting position, and while he did look kind of confused, he definitely didn't look like he was unconscious. I didn't even realize what had happened until I heard Matt saying "I was asleep" to his cornermen.



I knew Matt was out when I looked at his arm, after he hit the ground his arm went totally limp, his fist relaxed and began to slowly uncurl - a which is a feature of being unconscious, as the muscles receive no action potentials to their motor neurones, and the tendons, with their natural tension, pull the muscles back to a relaxed state, loosening the fist. He was out.
BeaturAss
6/25/07 7:12:57PM
Assuming that Maynard is out is not the way to go...

Let the fighters decide who wins the fight. The ref stopped it because he saw that emerson tapped out. End of story!

Dramatic ending like the Rocky movies... Everybody loves it when you thought that the other fighter was out but when they get tested they still have the last blow to finish the fight! Maynard did that and he was robbed!

nubby
6/25/07 8:48:40PM

Posted by BeaturAss

Assuming that Maynard is out is not the way to go...

Let the fighters decide who wins the fight. The ref stopped it because he saw that emerson tapped out. End of story!

Dramatic ending like the Rocky movies... Everybody loves it when you thought that the other fighter was out but when they get tested they still have the last blow to finish the fight! Maynard did that and he was robbed!



Chronology matters.
BeaturAss
6/25/07 9:07:59PM

Chronology matters


Where? and if there is the same statement it still need to be repeated for people to understand... Just like your grandpa, your uncle and your dad did...
ProfessorChaos
6/25/07 9:34:23PM
The whole point is not whether he was out or not.

If you tap you get a loss. It doesnt matter if you're fighting your imaginary friend. If you tap you lose the fight no matter what.

Gray is knocked out then Emerson doesnt tap. Emerson gets the win.

Gray is knocked out then Emerson taps. Gray gets the win.

The fight only stopped because Emerson tapped.
ButterBalls
6/26/07 12:36:00AM
I can't believe this is even still up for discussion

I would think everyone had seen the video by know and know's he KHTFO
Aether
6/26/07 3:30:10AM

Posted by Mastodon2


Posted by Aether

Honestly I think Matt just got lucky. No one knew he was unconscious except him, he just happened to have fallen into a position where when he woke up, he fell back into a sitting position, and while he did look kind of confused, he definitely didn't look like he was unconscious. I didn't even realize what had happened until I heard Matt saying "I was asleep" to his cornermen.



I knew Matt was out when I looked at his arm, after he hit the ground his arm went totally limp, his fist relaxed and began to slowly uncurl - a which is a feature of being unconscious, as the muscles receive no action potentials to their motor neurones, and the tendons, with their natural tension, pull the muscles back to a relaxed state, loosening the fist. He was out.



I know he was out, I'm not refuting that at all, I'm just saying I think that most people couldn't tell that he was out, and it saved him from the same ruling as this last fight.
Focker101
6/26/07 8:33:32AM
it does not matter if Gray was out or not !!! he definatly was unable to intellegently defend himself..

However I still think he should have won the fight.. because it was stopped by the ref due to a tap out.. the call in the cage should have stood

Remember the Scott Smith Pete Sell fight TUF finale 4
Sell caught Smith with a vicious body shot and then got KO'd coming in for the finish Smith got the victory however Smith could not continue to fight or defend himself either
why would that not also be a N/C ruling

I think yes Smith should get the victory the fight was stopped due to KO
and Gray should win due to the original reason the fight was stopped Tap out
ya know I quit, I give up, I conceed, I no longer want to continue to fight..
How many times have guys been knocked out briefly and somehow survive by holding on until they get some composure back

Poor Decision I think Gray Maynard won and I would love to see the rematch
KYGUY07
6/27/07 7:53:11PM
i thought the decison sucked it should have been a win for Gray he destroyed Emerson.
puppetmaster837
6/28/07 2:05:42AM
I think he was out. After the fight was over someone helped him sit up and he fell over, kind of like a guy trying to stand up and falling right after getting knocked out.
JimiMak
7/1/07 2:54:57AM
This is still goin on?

One guy tapped! That means he loses and the other guy wins. Any other doctor decision is a robbery.
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