Gomi style vs diaz

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keith-hackney1
2/25/07 2:27:58PM
Gomi, as we know is a boxer with limited jj skills. Diaz is pretty much an all rounder. Why did gomi feel he would perform better against diaz on the mat?
twice he took him down but to no avail. Third time he got submitted, by a superb fighter with a bjj backround. Gomi is underated ?? ... More like Diaz is underated !! I have never known an impact to be made in pride like diaz made last night.
Def, fight of the night. He gonna be champ for a while.

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AchillesHeel
2/25/07 2:36:37PM
At the time, I assumed he was doing what any smart MMA fighter ought to do; planting a seed of doubt in his opponent's mind. Everybody in the world has been saying Gomi is vulnerable on the mat, especially after his loss to Aurelio, so it made total sense to me that he would come out and take Diaz down straight away.

Of course, nothing Gomi did after that made any sense to me...
Kazmierz21
2/25/07 2:42:21PM
Diaz really just looked too big for Gomi to handle - if that fight happened 10 times I think Diaz would take at least 9 of those matches - plus Gomi didn't really seem to have that fire that he tends to bring into the ring with him - Diaz made a definite statement
keith-hackney1
2/25/07 2:46:54PM

Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz really just looked too big for Gomi to handle - if that fight happened 10 times I think Diaz would take at least 9 of those matches - plus Gomi didn't really seem to have that fire that he tends to bring into the ring with him - Diaz made a definite statement


He did, i put on post he will be champ for a while, but just realised the belt wasnt on the line as pride protect their vunerable champs. Thats what seperates pridefc from the ufc. ufc put fighters against champs with the title on the line. Why have gomi vs diaz without a belt, they are two of the worlds best. ?????

Gomi is not a champ, he does not deserve to be called one because he only defends his belt against newcomers and fighters who are not capable of beating him. Pride fc do their reputation no good by ripping of the punters by putting non title fights on their shows when a champ is in the fight.
Kazmierz21
2/25/07 2:53:59PM

Posted by keith-hackney1


Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz really just looked too big for Gomi to handle - if that fight happened 10 times I think Diaz would take at least 9 of those matches - plus Gomi didn't really seem to have that fire that he tends to bring into the ring with him - Diaz made a definite statement


He did, i put on post he will be champ for a while, but just realised the belt wasnt on the line as pride protect their vunerable champs. Thats what seperates pridefc from the ufc. ufc put fighters against champs with the title on the line. Why have gomi vs diaz without a belt, they are two of the worlds best. ?????

Gomi is not a champ, he does not deserve to be called one because he only defends his belt against newcomers and fighters who are not capable of beating him. Pride fc do their reputation no good by ripping of the punters by putting non title fights on their shows when a champ is in the fight.



I didn't realize that - why no title shot there? Did Diaz not suck down to meet Gomi?
warglory
2/25/07 3:23:52PM
PRIDE doesn't need a reason to not have their champs defend. There is no reason for their madness.
Ydoc
2/25/07 4:07:59PM
The reason (and there is one) is very clear to me, they protect Gomi because he's a good Japanese fighter. They'll give him every chance possible to keep him on top because he's the only asian champion they have.
Kazmierz21
2/25/07 4:12:50PM
Diaz did look a lot bigger than Gomi though - maybe Gomi was fighting up therefore belt wasn't on the line - does anyone know what they weighed in at?
Kazmierz21
2/25/07 6:36:46PM

Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz really just looked too big for Gomi to handle - if that fight happened 10 times I think Diaz would take at least 9 of those matches - plus Gomi didn't really seem to have that fire that he tends to bring into the ring with him - Diaz made a definite statement



You know what - I just watched the match again and it was closer than I remembered - Gomi just needs to do some more cardio for the rematch - it will be another brawl though
Stickan
2/25/07 7:00:39PM
This was the only fight that went EXACTLY as I had predicted. Diaz´s reach and precision standing fit well against a wild puncher like Gomi.
Trapt1nw0nder
2/25/07 8:04:23PM

Posted by Stickan

This was the only fight that went EXACTLY as I had predicted. Diaz´s reach and precision standing fit well against a wild puncher like Gomi.




that was my other choice........for me it was either 2 round Sub,or Split so i flipped that mental coin and it unfortunatly landed on me picking Diaz for Split
roadking95th
2/25/07 9:10:19PM

Posted by Ydoc

The reason (and there is one) is very clear to me, they protect Gomi because he's a good Japanese fighter. They'll give him every chance possible to keep him on top because he's the only asian champion they have.



I think you are wrong. You don't have to be an Asian champ to not have to defend your belt. How many times have their other Champs defended their belts? Not many. I think that is one thing everyone can agree on, Pride sucks at having their champs defend their belts.
loller90278
2/26/07 12:35:50AM
ok, i say gomi wins 7 out of 10 times they win..
im not takin credit away from diaz but gomi was just irresponsible this fight..
keep it standing and you'll get a KO like how it almost happened (dont know how diaz didnt get KTFO..)


Dadaman
2/26/07 3:32:32AM
MMA is mostly all about style match ups. A fighter's style is defined by his nature (passive, aggressive, defensive) his adaptability, and his overall talents/skillset (BJJ/MT/Boxing/Wrestling/Judo).

Perfect example for style match ups is the Gomi fight. I don't think he was sick, or he necessarily gassed quicker. Gomi was waaaay more active this fight because he had to be. Diaz was pushing Gomi harder STANDING UP than anyone has before (except for BJ Penn who was relentless in that battle).

Gomi was forced to punch and swing with Diaz. Gomi who usually picks his shots had to aggressively defend himself against Diaz. [b]Gomi threw more punches in this 2 rd fight than he did against Aurelio in 3 rds.[/b]

Gomi that fought Diaz is the Gomi that knocked out Sakurai, pummeled Kawajiri, and smashed Ishida. It's also the same Gomi that got choked out by Aurelio. It's just that we've never seen him gas like this before because he has NEVER HAD TO FIGHT SO AGGRESSIVELY.

Diaz also had a definitive reach advantage, which is the reason he probably didnt catch any wild haymakers in the jaw. This helped him just light up Gomi with those shots. Diaz then took his jiu jitsu prowess to a level exceeding his brown belt, and choked out Gomi.

Gomi wasn't sick, this wasn't a fluke (fluke gogoplatas? yeah fuckin right). It was just a bad style match up combined with Nick's stature.
Trapt1nw0nder
2/26/07 5:25:13AM
Nick Diaz has a fuckin chin or what???lol

the force of that knockdown blow was hard enough to knock Diaz off his feet but not hard enough to daze him one bit....Same with the second punch that cut him,hard enough to make a cut 2 inches wide,but not hard enough to daze him either

people say Gomi would of done better in Japan...pfft

if they fought in Japan with a 10 min first round Gomi would of got KO'd
hippysmacker
2/26/07 5:44:26AM

Posted by Trapt1nw0nder

Nick Diaz has a fuckin chin or what???lol

the force of that knockdown blow was hard enough to knock Diaz off his feet but not hard enough to daze him one bit....Same with the second punch that cut him,hard enough to make a cut 2 inches wide,but not hard enough to daze him either

people say Gomi would of done better in Japan...pfft

if they fought in Japan with a 10 min first round Gomi would of got KO'd



You know that's a vey good point about the ten minute first round.I do think in Japan the rules, moral, support, hometown judging might help Gomi some. Still, if that fight took place anywhere with a 10 minute first round I think Gomi would have been Koed.
Trapt1nw0nder
2/26/07 7:58:51AM
im so happy Nick won man,you just dont know how much...he really deserves the media's attention,and this win over Gomi will get it

did you see Diaz's trunks? the only advertising he had on them were from his own website where he wells T-shirts and stuff to make money....and what other sponser was he thanking after the fight? something chevrolet(prolly a local car dealership or something).i bet anything his trunks will be filled with Sponsors in his next fight! lol

i really hope he starts getting paid well,cuz he puts it all on the line out there,he got that huge gash on his face and it didnt even break his will or the thought of quitting even pass his mind....Nick Diaz could go up against Fedor and he'll still have the eye of the tiger and give it all he's got!


keith-hackney1
2/26/07 1:28:29PM

Posted by loller90278

ok, i say gomi wins 7 out of 10 times they win..
im not takin credit away from diaz but gomi was just irresponsible this fight..
keep it standing and you'll get a KO like how it almost happened (dont know how diaz didnt get KTFO..)




Diaz didnt get ko'd coz he's a more experienced, and a better prepared fighter than gomi, gomi is a boxer in mma. Pride are looser's for protecting a champion who looses to an underdog newcomer.

There is only one fighter out there who could beat diaz and gomi and thats me "keith the giant killer hackney". If pride would set up a match with special rules when you can chew gum and punch in the bollocks, i would win, i've won twice in those surroundings !!
I'd train with emanual yarborough and have jo son in my corner ( were friends now, no hard feelings !! ) and i'd be the best again !!!
pv3Hpv3p
2/26/07 1:36:45PM

Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz did look a lot bigger than Gomi though - maybe Gomi was fighting up therefore belt wasn't on the line - does anyone know what they weighed in at?



Both weighed in at 160... But Nick is 5 or 6 inches taller...
Macho_Matt
2/26/07 1:55:47PM
It is rediculous to say that Pride doesn't put their titles on the line. Pride puts their belts on the line just like UFC. Both organizations protect their fighters. In fact Dana probably does a better job then Pride. Use Pride 33 as an example. The Pride world is completely turned upside down.

Diaz was brand new to Pride, he doesn't deserve a title shot until he proves he could fight in Pride. He certainly did that Saturday night, and I think he deserves the next title shot against Gomi.

If Pride is smart they should have the rematch ASAP. Either way they win. If Diaz wins, then the right man is champ. If Gomi wins, he shows he can overcome adversity, get revenge, and defend his title when the fight really counts!
keith-hackney1
2/26/07 2:13:32PM

Posted by Macho_Matt

It is rediculous to say that Pride doesn't put their titles on the line. Pride puts their belts on the line just like UFC. Both organizations protect their fighters. In fact Dana probably does a better job then Pride. Use Pride 33 as an example. The Pride world is completely turned upside down.

Diaz was brand new to Pride, he doesn't deserve a title shot until he proves he could fight in Pride. He certainly did that Saturday night, and I think he deserves the next title shot against Gomi.

If Pride is smart they should have the rematch ASAP. Either way they win. If Diaz wins, then the right man is champ. If Gomi wins, he shows he can overcome adversity, get revenge, and defend his title when the fight really counts!


Any newcomer in the ufc has to work their way up the rankings to fight the number 1 guy with the championship. Thats not the case in pride.
The thing is, dana has intised 4 of prides best fighters, mirko, rampage etc...
so now diaz has gone to pride from the ufc, pride want to send a message through this fight to the ufc by putting diaz against their best, thinking diaz would get slaughtered. but he didnt, and pride knew there was a possibility that diaz could win because of the caliber fighter he is, so pride took the belt out of the fight to protect their champion from loosing it. basically pride have ripped off all the paying mma fan by making a title fight into a entertainment fight, but coz gomi lost it, excuses of jet lag and broken fingers are put into the press to protect gomi from loosing fans and worldwide stardom. If you fight a champ and loose, you normally start back at the bottom. What does diaz do now ?? Pride wont do a straight rematch, They will pit diaz against another fighter to try give him a loss before he gets a chance to fight for the title.
This fight hasnt made a good base for a title fight, it has put doubt on gomi, pissed alot of fans off and put pride under the spotlight for protecting their so called champ !!
roadking95th
2/26/07 2:44:34PM

Posted by Macho_Matt

It is rediculous to say that Pride doesn't put their titles on the line. Pride puts their belts on the line just like UFC. Both organizations protect their fighters. In fact Dana probably does a better job then Pride. Use Pride 33 as an example. The Pride world is completely turned upside down.

Diaz was brand new to Pride, he doesn't deserve a title shot until he proves he could fight in Pride. He certainly did that Saturday night, and I think he deserves the next title shot against Gomi.

If Pride is smart they should have the rematch ASAP. Either way they win. If Diaz wins, then the right man is champ. If Gomi wins, he shows he can overcome adversity, get revenge, and defend his title when the fight really counts!



How many times has Wandy defended his belt in the belt? Correct me if I am wrong, but every time the champ in the UFC fought last year, the belt was on the line. Can you say that about Pride? NO! The UFC doesn't protect their Champs, they do, however, protect younger fighters trying to build them up. I guess Dana protected Franklin with Silva and Loiseau. Protected Hughes with fights against GSP and Penn. Protected Liddell with Couture, Sobral, and Ortiz. Protected Sylvia with Monson, and AA twice. Some of these guys might not be top 5 fighters worldwide, but they were top contenders.

I would be interested to know how many times the Pride Champions have defended their belts in the last two years. I realize you can't put your belt on the line when fighting up, but if you are fighting someone at your weight class, the belt should be up for grabs.
Jeffanori-Gomi
2/26/07 2:53:42PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz did look a lot bigger than Gomi though - maybe Gomi was fighting up therefore belt wasn't on the line - does anyone know what they weighed in at?



Both weighed in at 160... But Nick is 5 or 6 inches taller...



Wiegh-in's are 3 days before that fight. I bet Diaz was closer to 170 than 160 going into that fight.

keith-hackney1
2/26/07 2:55:11PM

Posted by roadking95th
Another good example in pride was zulu vs fedor, No belt on line. Entertainment fight boys and girls, that what sort of mma pride likes to promote. Entertainment hides the fact that theres a protected champion in the mix. Dana didnt protect randy in his 2nd fight with chuck, No protection on silva/franklin, No protection on hughes/gsp and no protection on Silvia/arlovski 1& 2. If anything dana gets the best fighters in the ufc to beat or test their champs.... Silva,crocop,sherk,rampage,roycegracie,horn,penn etc...

Posted by Macho_Matt

It is rediculous to say that Pride doesn't put their titles on the line. Pride puts their belts on the line just like UFC. Both organizations protect their fighters. In fact Dana probably does a better job then Pride. Use Pride 33 as an example. The Pride world is completely turned upside down.

Diaz was brand new to Pride, he doesn't deserve a title shot until he proves he could fight in Pride. He certainly did that Saturday night, and I think he deserves the next title shot against Gomi.

If Pride is smart they should have the rematch ASAP. Either way they win. If Diaz wins, then the right man is champ. If Gomi wins, he shows he can overcome adversity, get revenge, and defend his title when the fight really counts!



How many times has Wandy defended his belt in the belt? Correct me if I am wrong, but every time the champ in the UFC fought last year, the belt was on the line. Can you say that about Pride? NO! The UFC doesn't protect their Champs, they do, however, protect younger fighters trying to build them up. I guess Dana protected Franklin with Silva and Loiseau. Protected Hughes with fights against GSP and Penn. Protected Liddell with Couture, Sobral, and Ortiz. Protected Sylvia with Monson, and AA twice. Some of these guys might not be top 5 fighters worldwide, but they were top contenders.

I would be interested to know how many times the Pride Champions have defended their belts in the last two years. I realize you can't put your belt on the line when fighting up, but if you are fighting someone at your weight class, the belt should be up for grabs.



My point in this whole topic is that diaz was robbed of the belt. Dana doesnt protect fighters, most of the time he tests them against top quality. The belt was always on the line because it was a title fight. Diaz may have gone to a new orginisation, but he was in the top 3 status for a ufc title shot, therefor he should fight gomi for the belt. Maybe not his first fight, thats why he should of had a different opponant first. Because pride under estimated diaz to win, They will want gomi to gain confidence before diaz gets a crack for the belt. Robbed in the ufc because of all TUF stars bypassing his ranking, robbed in pride for beating their best and going home without the belt !!!!!!!!!
Trapt1nw0nder
2/26/07 5:44:58PM

Posted by Jeffanori-Gomi


Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by Kazmierz21

Diaz did look a lot bigger than Gomi though - maybe Gomi was fighting up therefore belt wasn't on the line - does anyone know what they weighed in at?



Both weighed in at 160... But Nick is 5 or 6 inches taller...



Wiegh-in's are 3 days before that fight. I bet Diaz was closer to 170 than 160 going into that fight.




weigh-in took place 24 hours before the fight(same as every other event both in MMA and Boxing)

jdubs
2/26/07 11:35:31PM
to much reach with diaz, for gomi i would love to see him go up a weight class and beat trigg
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