Gilbert Melendez

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FastKnockout
5/19/12 11:29:39PM
Are there people out there who seriously believe he's the best lightweight in the world? I know Strikeforce has to raise the stock of their fighters but going on and on about Melendez being the premiere lightweight in the world is ridiculous, and what's even more ridiculous is there are fans out there who actually believe it. I don't consider him to be the #1, #2, or #3 in the world.
otacon279
5/19/12 11:33:18PM

Posted by FastKnockout

Are there people out there who seriously believe he's the best lightweight in the world? I know Strikeforce has to raise the stock of their fighters but going on and on about Melendez being the premiere lightweight in the world is ridiculous, and what's even more ridiculous is there are fans out there who actually believe it. I don't consider him to be the #1, #2, or #3 in the world.



Strikeforce needs to bring in more talent or feed Melendez to the wolves. (UFC)








kopower
5/20/12 12:18:34AM
He didn't impress me tonight. He's top 5, maybe top 3, but not the best. He still has some holes in his game.
KungFuMaster
5/20/12 12:30:12AM
I have said it before, I think most of the ufc's top 15 can beat Melendez. He would be a good gate keeper in the ufc.
sparky
5/20/12 12:30:37AM
I knew this would be a topic right when the fight ended, and let me be the first to say I think Josh Thompson won that fight and in no way do I believe Gil is the best in the world @ 55.

I've been saying it for awhile now send him to the UFC and let him fight the top 55ers in the world and I guaranteed we wont be discussing this topic anymore
KungFuMaster
5/20/12 12:34:31AM

Posted by kopower

He didn't impress me tonight. He's top 5, maybe top 3, but not the best. He still has some holes in his game.



IMO, Melendez had a poor performance tonight. He did not win the fight - it was more like Josh lost the fight or did not want it bad enough. IMO, if Josh had wanted it more, the championship was there for him to take it.
jae_1833
5/20/12 12:54:40AM
3 eyepokes may have had something to do with it.....he had several trips, made out even if not better in the striking, lost it in the clinch. He even had some really good close subs.....I though Josh won, but it may also be the crown talking......Barnett got straight schooled! That was hard for me to watch and gave validity to Cormier's supporters when they talked about a speed advantage prior to the match up. I think all 4 should be invited to the UFC, and following Cormier I think Josh Thompson would have the most success.
Twenty20Dollars
5/20/12 1:18:06AM
Gil and Barney were kind of disappointing.

I can't remember if I ever had Gil above top 5, hard to compare guys and rank them when they aren't fighting in same org or same competition.

I thought Gil won, but wasn't watching closely.
Budgellism
5/20/12 1:19:19AM
I was thinking the same thing knockout. And honestly Ive never considered him better than top 3. Now after his last two performances I don‘t believe he deserves to be considered top 5. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve a top 5 ranking and although Thomson is very good, a top 5 guy should be able to beat him with ease imo.
FastKnockout
5/20/12 1:24:50AM

Posted by Budgellism

I was thinking the same thing knockout. And honestly Ive never considered him better than top 3. Now after his last two performances I don‘t believe he deserves to be considered top 5. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve a top 5 ranking and although Thomson is very good, a top 5 guy should be able to beat him with ease imo.



You said it perfectly, Budge. I felt the urge to piss on his win tonight after his post fight interview. No class at all.
ghandikush
5/20/12 10:42:47AM
does no one remember that Thomson is a bad stylistic matchup for melendez and a top 20 in the world?
FastKnockout
5/20/12 11:53:34AM

Posted by ghandikush

does no one remember that Thomson is a bad stylistic matchup for melendez and a top 20 in the world?



Like you said, top 20.
KungFuMaster
5/20/12 12:06:06PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Budgellism

I was thinking the same thing knockout. And honestly Ive never considered him better than top 3. Now after his last two performances I don‘t believe he deserves to be considered top 5. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve a top 5 ranking and although Thomson is very good, a top 5 guy should be able to beat him with ease imo.



You said it perfectly, Budge. I felt the urge to piss on his win tonight after his post fight interview. No class at all.



What did Melendez say? I need more evidence to support my hate.
kopower
5/20/12 12:11:44PM

Posted by KungFuMaster


Posted by kopower

He didn't impress me tonight. He's top 5, maybe top 3, but not the best. He still has some holes in his game.



IMO, Melendez had a poor performance tonight. He did not win the fight - it was more like Josh lost the fight or did not want it bad enough. IMO, if Josh had wanted it more, the championship was there for him to take it.



I thought Gilbert should have won a sd. I thought he took the first 3 rounds, although the first could have been a draw. If Josh pressed forward a bit more in the 3 rd, it was his fight to win. Josh showed great class after the fight in his interview. Gained big respect points in my book.
cowcatcher
5/20/12 12:46:47PM
I think Gil not looking great to some had more to do with Thompson that Gil.

For one, I thought both guys looked really good. The pace, the execution, and the ability to walk through shots by both guys let you know that this wasn't a fight between two guys at some local show. It was evident both guys are top fighters by watching the fight.

The second thing is that Josh Thompson is one of the best LWs in the world when healthy, the problem is that he has been hurt over and over again in his career so he hasn't gotten to put together a nice run uninterrupted since the boom of MMA. When he's right he's going to give anyone a tough fight, and almost anyone a loss.

Is Gil top 3 in the world right now? I'm really not sure, I think he's close(haven't updated my rankings on here in awhile). The way he destroyed Kawajiri sticks with me because to me Kawajiri was the JMMA fighter with the best skillset to come over and make noise in the states.

I think when/if he comes to the UFC it's going to be a trial by fire so we will get to have the questions around him answered pretty much right away. My money is on Gil ending up one of the top 4 or 5 guys in that class on the UFC roster once he's there.
FastKnockout
5/20/12 1:25:38PM

Posted by KungFuMaster


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Budgellism

I was thinking the same thing knockout. And honestly Ive never considered him better than top 3. Now after his last two performances I don‘t believe he deserves to be considered top 5. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve a top 5 ranking and although Thomson is very good, a top 5 guy should be able to beat him with ease imo.



You said it perfectly, Budge. I felt the urge to piss on his win tonight after his post fight interview. No class at all.



What did Melendez say? I need more evidence to support my hate.



I'll try to find the whole interview but he pretty much spit on Thomson's performance saying all he did was hold him down. Didn't give Thomson any credit and just came off as butthurt.
FastKnockout
5/20/12 4:05:52PM
How do you guys feel about those four eyepokes? The ref didn't call two of em but Shamrock caught all four on replays.
cowcatcher
5/20/12 4:11:58PM

Posted by FastKnockout

How do you guys feel about those four eyepokes? The ref didn't call two of em but Shamrock caught all four on replays.



I don't know what to think because as soon as I saw it was Frank that caught them, I realized they couldn't have possibly happened.
Budgellism
5/20/12 4:39:45PM

Posted by cowcatcher


Posted by FastKnockout

How do you guys feel about those four eyepokes? The ref didn't call two of em but Shamrock caught all four on replays.



I don't know what to think because as soon as I saw it was Frank that caught them, I realized they couldn't have possibly happened.



Bubbles
5/20/12 6:16:11PM

Posted by FastKnockout

I'll try to find the whole interview but he pretty much spit on Thomson's performance saying all he did was hold him down. Didn't give Thomson any credit and just came off as butthurt.



that was in the 5th round after the takedown...he was not referring to the entire fight
Bubbles
5/20/12 6:26:32PM
Melendez is easily a top 5 LW in the world. Top 3 may be pushing it but there are valid arguments to be made for him. Bendo and Frankie are #1 and #2...but who is #3? Diaz, Maynard and Melendez can be ranked 3-5 in any order and it would make sense. Thompson is top 20 atm but realistically he could very well be a top 10 if he had been healthy.

someone said Gil still has holes in his game...yeah and so does every other fighter on the planet. Anderson has sub par TDD, GSP doesn't have the killer instinct, Jones striking defense isnt very good. For all we know, Aldo and JDS could be bad off their back. And those are the UFC champions.

Just because he is the best in Strikeforce doesn't mean UFC fighters will walk all over him. Wasn't Lesnar supposed to put up a fight vs Overeem? Wasn't Penn's boxing supposed to beat Diaz? Condit ran away from Diaz for the vast majority of the fight.
Chael_Sonnen
5/21/12 12:17:00AM
If Ariel H. could rank p4p "my heart just wasn't in it" then El Nino would be #1.

Nice plug for Nate at the end there Gilbert.
KungFuMaster
5/21/12 1:17:18AM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by KungFuMaster


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by Budgellism

I was thinking the same thing knockout. And honestly Ive never considered him better than top 3. Now after his last two performances I don‘t believe he deserves to be considered top 5. He hasn't beaten anyone to deserve a top 5 ranking and although Thomson is very good, a top 5 guy should be able to beat him with ease imo.



You said it perfectly, Budge. I felt the urge to piss on his win tonight after his post fight interview. No class at all.



What did Melendez say? I need more evidence to support my hate.



I'll try to find the whole interview but he pretty much spit on Thomson's performance saying all he did was hold him down. Didn't give Thomson any credit and just came off as butthurt.



Really lame post fight interview. Thompson had him in trouble and nearly took the belt from him.
KungFuMaster
5/21/12 1:25:23AM
I feel the first two eye-pokes deserved warnings but the ref definitely needed to take a point for the third. I felt the ref did noticed the 3rd and maybe even 4th eye-poke but during those two latter pokes - Josh did not complain as adamantly as he did the first two times.

The eye-pokes definitely played a major role in the progression and momentum of the fight for both fighters whereby benefiting the poker and putting the pokee at a disadvantage.

Melendez REALLY lucked out this time.
Pookie
5/21/12 1:40:17AM
Top 5.
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