Gary Goodrich says fights were fixed in Pride

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POLL: Is JMMA more corrupt than American MMA?
yes 80% (41)
no 4% (2)
neither are corrupt 6% (3)
both are equaly corrupt 10% (5)
machodog76
8/4/11 3:32:02PM
Chael_Sonnen
8/4/11 3:34:05PM
Chael was RIGHT!!!!
kingsmasher
8/4/11 4:02:02PM
No surprise to me..
mrsmiley
8/4/11 4:06:57PM
Every so often a fighter comes foward talking about this kind of thing.
Normally though it seems to be when faced against a Japanese fighter that needed a boost.

I think the most important thing to consider is that Japanese MMA was not created by the rise of the UFC or American MMA, it was onlyinfluenced by it.Japanese MMA was an evolution from pro-wrestling,to stiff wrestling,etc,etc,etc.
So for a certain amount of showmanship or even a dive to take place,to me, shouldn't suprise anyone. Go back and watch some early RINGS video's and you'll see the changes unfold fight by fight. I would say Japanese MMA isn't so much corrupt as it is misunderstood and only by studying the history of it will you start to see what it was really about.
Now without a doubt exceptions to this exsistce. Guy Mezger claims in Pancrase they would tell you an upcoming opponent was an austrilian guy and to lay back and take it easy,when in fact that guy ended up being Bas Rutten.
That's not working a fight but attempting to alter the outcome,and Ken Shamrock had some questionable fights as well,but once again JMMA was a continuation of pro-wrestling,not a direct copy of what was happening in the US.
FastKnockout
8/4/11 4:12:46PM
I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.
bjj1605
8/4/11 4:53:42PM

Posted by FastKnockout

I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Only instance of it ever I've heard of in a decent sized American promotion.

Overall, I think it is a very clean sport. Pride may have had questionable conduct at times, but all in all I think it was an honest sports organization.

Even in this case, Gary claims another fighters CAMP offered him money to throw the fight, not Pride officials.
BustedKnuckle
8/4/11 5:32:16PM
I saw this yesterday at CP.com. I wasnt really suprised. But in todays world there are so many variables to try and fix fights on a big stage such as the UFc. Way too many people way too many camera phones/recording devices.
prophecy033
8/4/11 5:41:07PM
As far as mma in Japan, Idk. American mma doesn't seem to have a problem besides elitexc a few years back. I'm sure in smaller promotions its more prevalent but on a national scale I don't think it happens very much.

Fight fixing is bob sapp pounding out a 200 pound Japanese fighter
RearNakedJoke
8/4/11 6:34:53PM

Posted by FastKnockout

I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Good thing for them Seth is a man of his word.
fullfighting
8/4/11 7:22:36PM
Chael called it!
pmoney
8/4/11 7:27:34PM
If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....
prophecy033
8/4/11 7:35:26PM

Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....

there are LOTS of eyes on the ufc, athletic commissions, senators, potential investors. For them to put all that at risk for a desired outcome would be like genocide. You wanna see the fastest growing sport shrink before your eyes? I don't. But hey, if that is the case, WWE would come in and buy the UFC like the UFC does to its competition
pmoney
8/4/11 7:48:27PM

Posted by prophecy033


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....

there are LOTS of eyes on the ufc, athletic commissions, senators, potential investors. For them to put all that at risk for a desired outcome would be like genocide. You wanna see the fastest growing sport shrink before your eyes? I don't. But hey, if that is the case, WWE would come in and buy the UFC like the UFC does to its competition



I see where you are coming from completely. And I don't want to be that crazy guy who just goes on with his conspiracy theories like he's watched too much X-Files... oh wait...

But seriously. I don't think that the UFC or Zuffa would in any way engage in fight fixing or anything like that, but there are so many other elements that come in to play, Zuffa doesn't have to fix the fights. Managers could try and set something up, bookies, who the hell knows. I hope none of that is going on, and I don't think it is. But like Goodridge said in his interview, if something seemed shady, it probably was.

I just hope that what Big Daddy referred to is either false, or a dead practice. I don't want to see fight fixing in any form, perpetrated or perpetuated by any person, in any promotion or capacity. Hell, I don't want that in any sport. If I found out MMA was fixed like pro wrestling or boxing, I hate to say, but I probably wouldn't watch anymore.
BeeR
8/4/11 8:03:17PM
fixed fights in Pride you say
well Duh!
FastKnockout
8/4/11 8:41:45PM

Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.
KungFuMaster
8/4/11 9:10:28PM
Corruption is bound to happen in any business. We have to remember corruption can come from the fight organization as well as the fighters.

A fight organization is only as honest as his most deceitful fighter. I am willing to bet my existence there will and has been fighters who have thrown fights. Just think about it for a moment....

Fighters are in there to make money. Could it be possible so and so fighter throws a fight because he has made arrangements to bet on the other fighter to capitalize on a healthy return? Very possible and I believe it already has been done.

grappler0000
8/4/11 10:05:04PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Were you just shocked, perhaps? Cuz that would be one of the last fights that I would suspect.
Bubbles
8/4/11 11:22:43PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



i still believe that fight was fixed. i could go into some detail but i will leave it at that.
tn_rebel
8/4/11 11:55:05PM
It is silly think there would be fixed fights in a big org. like the UFC. Do you not think there has ever been fixed games in big organizations like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB or boxing? The truth is the bigger the sport gets the more money there is to be made by fixing fights. With how the UFC has grown and is still growing i think we will see a whole lot more fights being fixed in the future.
Patchedup15
8/5/11 6:30:24AM

Posted by bjj1605


Posted by FastKnockout

I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Only instance of it ever I've heard of in a decent sized American promotion.

Overall, I think it is a very clean sport. Pride may have had questionable conduct at times, but all in all I think it was an honest sports organization.

Even in this case, Gary claims another fighters CAMP offered him money to throw the fight, not Pride officials.



its important to highlight that it wasn't Pride itself that was fixed but the CAMP.. good point.. i just wanna reiterate that and make sure people see it
mrsmiley
8/5/11 10:46:11AM
Their has been questionable bouts in the UFC but whether or not they where really "Worked" we won't ever know until probably 20 years down the line or so.
The most notable that comes to my mind was Franklin/Shamrock.
I'm in no way saying it was a work but their was lots of talk about it.
I've herd a few people claim the first GSP/Serra fight was fixed,I don't believe this but if you search on the interent their are people who really hold strong to that. I once read Don Frye tried to alter outcomes in his favor during the Seg days. I remember some contraversy going around that Dana was going up to fighters pre-fight and letting them know how much extra they would get for Ko's or subs. That's not fixing a fight,and we all know fighters get bonuses for thoughs type's of things,but I guess an argument could be made for the psychological impact that could have on an athlete before a bout.
As of right now all current UFC rumors are just speculation. To my knowledge no current UFC fighter has ever said he was offered money to take a dive.
If big news was to come out that fights where fixed I wouldn't be suprised though.
Dissapointed but not suprised.
UFC_Fanatic
8/5/11 10:46:32AM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



I'll admit that I thought the fight was bizarre, but I never thought it was fixed or anything. A few days after the fight and having watched it a dozen times online, I came to the conclusion that what made it so bizarre was Forrest being WAY to timid. It seemed like he knew that he was facing the guy that, imo, is the best striker in MMA bar none, and as such, he seemed really hesitant to throw his strikes with anything behind them for fear that if he over committed and made a mistake anderson would make him pay. The problem was that by not committing to any of his strikes all he accomplished was letting anderson know that he had nothing to fear and Anderson decided to use that to take pot shots at Griffin until he was so ridiculously rocked that Griffin may as well have left the cage in a helmet with his name on it.
KungFuMaster
8/5/11 1:22:52PM
Kimo vs Bob Sapp

This fight was not fixed but the ref was probably paid to make ever call to favor Sapp.

Sapp was on the verge of being knocked out. He spits out the mouth piece. The ref stops the fight for a long time to put the mouth piece back in.....and the rest is history>>>>>Kimo loses via tko.

bjj1605
8/5/11 2:59:14PM

Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Of all the fights to think were fixed.... I really cannot even believe I just read that.

And the other ones people have mentioned on here....GSP vs Serra? Shamrock vs Ken? Do you really think anybody in the UFC wanted Serra to win that fight?

This whole conversation has me annoyed. The fact that some fights in Pride were "worked" (I wouldn't say fixed. They just made it really hard for one fighter to win) does not mean fights in the UFC are. This is a sport. A REAL sport. I would be very surprised if any fights in the UFC were ever fixed.
prozacnation1978
8/5/11 3:07:08PM
And he is saying this now 4 years after demise of pride
Why now and not then??
mrsmiley
8/5/11 3:19:29PM

Posted by bjj1605


Posted by FastKnockout


Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.



Of all the fights to think were fixed.... I really cannot even believe I just read that.

And the other ones people have mentioned on here....GSP vs Serra? Shamrock vs Ken? Do you really think anybody in the UFC wanted Serra to win that fight?

This whole conversation has me annoyed. The fact that some fights in Pride were "worked" (I wouldn't say fixed. They just made it really hard for one fighter to win) does not mean fights in the UFC are. This is a sport. A REAL sport. I would be very surprised if any fights in the UFC were ever fixed.



Shamrock vs Ken???

But kidding aside I never said any UFC fight was worked,just mentioned fights in speculation by certain people.
But on my behalf,I think anytime money and betting is involved you do run a risk.
As I said I don't really believe any current UFC fights have been a total work but it wouldn't suprise me either.
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