Freddie Roach Trains ‘Improperly Taught’ Shogun Rua to Punch

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Shawn91111
3/14/13 8:51:04PM
Renowned boxing trainer Freddie Roach was brought onboard Mauricio Rua’s training camp for UFC 161 to help Rua with his striking. Rua is known for his muay-thai game but according to Roach, when it comes to technical punches, Rua wasn’t properly taught how to throw them.

Roach spoke to GracieMag on his work with Rua:

“I was studying a lot of tape on him to get an idea of how he fights”; “He didn’t know how to transfer his weight too well, and he wasn’t a very big puncher at first,” Roach stated “Once we got him pivoting and punching off the right foot, keeping his boxing stance, he punched really, really hard when he did it correctly.”

This new power could be a turning point in the 31-year old’s career especially after someone like Roach claims that before his work with Rua:

“I don’t think he was ever taught how to do it correctly.”

This, along with a new cardiovascular program that Roach plans to introduce to Rua, could transform the former light-heavyweight champion into a whole new fighter.



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sbulldavid
3/14/13 9:54:49PM
I've been waiting a long time for this rematch, I think Shogun wins this as long as he doesn't box with Lil Nog.
bjj1605
3/14/13 10:22:12PM
There are plenty of ways to punch, not one right way. According to guys like Freddie Roach, Fedor doesn't know how to punch either. He fights nothing like an American boxer.

Also, it can be a really bad idea to mess with a guys game when he's been fighting as long as Shogun. Tweaks and improvements are fine, but trying to change something as fundamental as the way he punches.....

Whats that golfer's name who just screwed himself by changing his swing?
jae_1833
3/14/13 11:20:52PM
I am pretty sure Roach knows what he is doing.
sbulldavid
3/14/13 11:45:09PM
Part of Shogun's cardio problem is a result of him throwing everything into his punches, so it can only help him.
bjj1605
3/15/13 12:13:58AM

Posted by jae_1833

I am pretty sure Roach knows what he is doing.



Pretty sure he does too. He knows his way.
Boo_Radley21
3/15/13 12:44:38AM
If it aint broke dont fix it
Goatenstein
3/15/13 7:28:54AM
Shogun needs to get Dida out of his life if he wants to compete at the elite level. Someone needs to push him.
postman
3/15/13 8:52:43AM

Posted by bjj1605
Whats that golfer's name who just screwed himself by changing his swing?



I don't know but didn't Woods change his a bunch of times? The only thing that ever hurt his game was losing that hot ass wife of his.
airkerma
3/15/13 8:55:22AM

Posted by postman


Posted by bjj1605
Whats that golfer's name who just screwed himself by changing his swing?



I don't know but didn't Woods change his a bunch of times? The only thing that ever hurt his game was losing that hot ass wife of his.


You are correct, he fired his previous couch when things started going down the tube. That certainly didn't help him get right back on top but that whole mess with his wife etc was really what prompted the change and the crappy outtings.
Mhunt1140
3/15/13 10:53:19AM
To my knowledge Tiger has completely changed his swing on at least 3 occasions and he seems to be doing pretty well. However, this is more of the exception than the rule. In general it is highly counterproductive to completely change a fundamental part of your game deep into your career but if anyone can get Rua to respond to may just be Roach.
postman
3/15/13 11:03:29AM

Posted by Mhunt1140

To my knowledge Tiger has completely changed his swing on at least 3 occasions and he seems to be doing pretty well. However, this is more of the exception than the rule. In general it is highly counterproductive to completely change a fundamental part of your game deep into your career but if anyone can get Rua to respond to may just be Roach.



I don't know you hear about MLB pitchers changing their throwing motion all the time. Some it works for some it does not. I'd have a hard time standing on one side of the debate or the other.
MuayThaiGeek13
3/15/13 1:08:11PM

Posted by Boo_Radley21

If it aint broke dont fix it



Well it's clearly broke.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it." That's the fucking PGs go-to line

sbulldavid
3/15/13 2:09:11PM
His legs are gone so he really needs to do some reinventing, his takedowns have improved, now he needs to work on that head movement and find some cleaner punching, he 's not finished he's just a different fighter than the one we used to know.
bjj1605
3/15/13 3:11:52PM
Wasn't talking about Tiger Woods.

Some golfer. ESPN has been talking about it for a while now. I don't follow golf.
Svartorm
3/15/13 3:18:29PM
That's nice that he can hit harder, but can he defend a takedown or throw a kick now? He never had a problem flattening people with punches and I always felt his gas tank was linked to his bum knees.
jay98107
3/15/13 3:19:50PM

Posted by bjj1605

There are plenty of ways to punch, not one right way. According to guys like Freddie Roach, Fedor doesn't know how to punch either. He fights nothing like an American boxer.

Also, it can be a really bad idea to mess with a guys game when he's been fighting as long as Shogun. Tweaks and improvements are fine, but trying to change something as fundamental as the way he punches.....

Whats that golfer's name who just screwed himself by changing his swing?



Cal Ripken Jr. changed his batting stance practically every year he played baseball. And what a schmuck he turned out to be.
Manak
3/15/13 4:11:21PM

Posted by bjj1605

Wasn't talking about Tiger Woods.

Some golfer. ESPN has been talking about it for a while now. I don't follow golf.



it is Rory Mcllroy. He just signed with Nike and changed clubs. he is ranked #1 right now. but he has been sucking ever since he has changed clubs at the start of the year.
sbulldavid
3/15/13 4:52:07PM

Posted by bjj1605

Wasn't talking about Tiger Woods.

Some golfer. ESPN has been talking about it for a while now. I don't follow golf.



I think it was Ernie Els that changed his swing and went through a really rough patch before rebounding
postman
3/15/13 5:45:13PM

Posted by Manak


Posted by bjj1605

Wasn't talking about Tiger Woods.

Some golfer. ESPN has been talking about it for a while now. I don't follow golf.



it is Rory Mcllroy. He just signed with Nike and changed clubs. he is ranked #1 right now. but he has been sucking ever since he has changed clubs at the start of the year.



No one is asking Shogun to change his gloves.
bootyclause
3/15/13 6:37:36PM
mma fans get defensive over this idea but just in terms of punching ability, the mma fighter has been very bad for most of the sport's history. The modern guys at MW and lower are starting to become pretty solid. A handful of LHW and HW are ok.


The old school strikers of 2005 and earlier would mostly have gotten killed by boxers in a straight up striking match. Wanderlei, Shogun, Liddell, Gomi, etc....they really weren't very good with their hands.

Those guys were great at mma in that era because they brought big power striking mixed with a sprawl and brawl ability that clobbered all the rasslers and BJJ guys.

postman
3/15/13 7:39:04PM

Posted by bootyclause
The old school strikers of 2005 and earlier would mostly have gotten killed by boxers in a straight up striking match. Wanderlei, Shogun, Liddell, Gomi, etc....they really weren't very good with their hands.



Are you saying they would have lost in a Boxing match or a striking match? Because the same can be said for the modern day mma fighter and boxer in a boxing match. Same can be said for any discipline. GSP has great wrestling but he would get worked by an Olympic wrestler in a straight wrestling match.

But if you put Cro Cop and Lenox Lewis in the ring during their primes and allowed kicks I'd have a hard time accepting you telling me Cro cop would have been killed.
Pookie
3/15/13 8:09:52PM
Shogun got past elite competition early in his career due to his athleticism and his speed/power compensating for his lack of tactics and technique.

Refining technique is the most important thing for a fighterto do when they lose their natural attributes. Shogun gets hit more because hes slowing down and his skillset is more limited.

Bubbles
3/15/13 8:16:00PM

Posted by bjj1605

Whats that golfer's name who just screwed himself by changing his swing?


Tiger Woods? He's gone through like 4 swing changes or so over his career

edit: just realized half this thread is about golf
yeah McIlroy might be who you were referring to, but it's his clubs more so than his swing
Svartorm
3/16/13 2:59:10PM
If folks are saying Shogun was never good at striking, they're completely ill-informed. He has a sharp hard-style muay thai game, just like most Brazilians. He essentially took apart Machida at mid-range in their first fight and certainly in their second, and he's no slob on the feet.

Shogun's problem is that he's roughly 250 years old in terms of ring time. Trained at a gym where KOs are common and you train beyond exhaustion, has had several fights that take years off your fighting life if not your actual life, and his knees are destroyed.

If you look at guys who follow the Chute Boxe training methods, they all fall to pieces in later life. Forrest Griffin, Tito Ortiz, etc trained the same way and look how many injuries they've piled up.