Franklin Belfort @ 195

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postman
7/31/09 11:26:35PM
The Junkie

First the opponent, now the weight class?

Former UFC middleweight champion Rich Franklin's (25-4 MMA, 12-3 UFC) training plans continue to change, and a recently announced UFC 103 main-event bout with Vitor Belfort (16-8 MMA, 7-4 UFC) will now take place at a catchweight of 195 pounds instead of the originally announced light heavyweight class.
mshalosky
7/31/09 11:33:12PM
why do they keep makin franklin fight at 195. His last 3 fights have all been there. they should make him fight 205ers not 185ers at 195. i really wanted to see belfort vs wanderlei or henderson which i think makes the most sense winner gets title shot. should still be an awesome fight
Playground_Samurai
7/31/09 11:33:33PM
I think this makes more sense. Good move.
postman
7/31/09 11:38:53PM

Posted by mshalosky

why do they keep makin franklin fight at 195. His last 3 fights have all been there. they should make him fight 205ers not 185ers at 195. i really wanted to see belfort vs wanderlei or henderson which i think makes the most sense winner gets title shot. should still be an awesome fight



I like this at 195 Belfort needs to be at 185 and I think Rich dosn't want to cut to 185 anymore. Henderson dosn't need another win to get his title shot.
mshalosky
7/31/09 11:42:50PM

Posted by mshalosky

why do they keep makin franklin fight at 195. His last 3 fights have all been there. they should make him fight 205ers not 185ers at 195. i really wanted to see belfort vs wanderlei or henderson which i think makes the most sense winner gets title shot. should still be an awesome fight
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I like this at 195 Belfort needs to be at 185 and I think Rich dosn't want to cut to 185 anymore. Henderson dosn't need another win to get his title shot.




i just dont like that they keep using him against 185ers. he needs to fight people in the 205 division imo
postman
7/31/09 11:44:38PM
Oh I miss read ya. I also wonder if they are testing the waters for a 195 slot.
sclasclemski
7/31/09 11:52:05PM
The fight against Hendo was 205 if I"m not mistaken
joshryanshepherd
7/31/09 11:52:57PM
thats what i like to hear!
Wolfenstein
8/1/09 12:05:19AM
They could have easilly went with Hendo instead at 185, but I'm glad they didn't. That would have just turned into a wrestling clinic, as we've all seen for a BJJ BB, Vitor really doesn't have much in the way of offense.
postman
8/1/09 12:14:09AM

Posted by Wolfenstein

They could have easilly went with Hendo instead at 185, but I'm glad they didn't. That would have just turned into a wrestling clinic, as we've all seen for a BJJ BB, Vitor really doesn't have much in the way of offense.



I think they may have kept that fight on the feet thats where Vitor likes to be and Dan isn't affraid either not to mention Vitor just destroyed Linland I think Dan would want the redeption.
prozacnation1978
8/1/09 12:45:19AM
just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight
mentalcase
8/1/09 1:03:37AM

Posted by prozacnation1978

just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight



cruiserweight is the weight class in between LHW and HW

195 would be called super middle weight
ncordless
8/1/09 1:05:56AM

Posted by prozacnation1978

just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight



Stick Vitor, Ace, Wand and Hendo in there and they do have a nice core group of fighters who fit the range. I have never really liked the idea of a 195... but if they were going to do it this is a good group to establish a belt.
mentalcase
8/1/09 1:13:51AM

Posted by ncordless


Posted by prozacnation1978

just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight



Stick Vitor, Ace, Wand and Hendo in there and they do have a nice core group of fighters who fit the range. I have never really liked the idea of a 195... but if they were going to do it this is a good group to establish a belt.



theres no point in another weight class machida or a. silva could rule the division if they wanted to as well, i seriously think the weight classes are fines they way they are i dont want mma to turn in to boxing weight classes maybe a cruiser weight (225-230) in like 5+ years or so when the HW division is staked but thats it
ncordless
8/1/09 1:20:58AM

Posted by mentalcase


Posted by ncordless


Posted by prozacnation1978

just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight



Stick Vitor, Ace, Wand and Hendo in there and they do have a nice core group of fighters who fit the range. I have never really liked the idea of a 195... but if they were going to do it this is a good group to establish a belt.



theres no point in another weight class machida or a. silva could rule the division if they wanted to as well, i seriously think the weight classes are fines they way they are i dont want mma to turn in to boxing weight classes maybe a cruiser weight (225-230) in like 5+ years or so when the HW division is staked but thats it



I am not saying I like it. Just that since it is pretty obvious that is what they are testing the waters for... they are doing it with good fighters.
mentalcase
8/1/09 1:26:17AM
i don't think they are testing the water i think its just these circumstances rich has bulked up cause there no point in a 3rd anderson silva fight and at the sametime vitor is droped down and want to continue at 185 cause he has showed improvement at this weight class and i think the 195 is a even compromise for both fighters
ncordless
8/1/09 1:53:32AM

Posted by mentalcase

i don't think they are testing the water i think its just these circumstances rich has bulked up cause there no point in a 3rd anderson silva fight and at the sametime vitor is droped down and want to continue at 185 cause he has showed improvement at this weight class and i think the 195 is a even compromise for both fighters




I guess it could be just circumstance... and it definitely is a case of good circumstances for these fights to happen at 195. But when you add to that the fact that Wand has been asking Dana for a 195 class, Hendo says he won't cut to 185 again unless it is a title shot, Franklin's prospects at MW are ruined by A. Silva and he already took a shot at LHW back in the day and dropped weight to get away from it, and to me it looks like a nice little sub-class of popular fighters (all former champs) who fit better with each other than with either MW or LHW.
xAcidburNx
8/1/09 2:30:56AM
Im really all for a new weight class. more weight classes means more fighters, more events, and more roots for mma. its a sign that there really isnt enough space for the boom of MMArtists that are coming out and that there needs to be a change. although 195 division isnt a bad start it would make much more sense to split the heavyweights first. i think we all should agree that a weight class that starts after a 205 division all the way up to 265 is rediculous. people know its not fair to put a lightweight vs a middleweight so why is this any different. heck look at the diffferences within WC's. guys like grey maynard in LW are hard to handle just because of how big he is. mike swick cut down all the way from light heavy to now WW. Rashad evans from HW. its because of the small differences that they do this. for a guy like brock lesnar to go in there and start smashing HW its obviouse its not just his wrestling. the biggest guy hes fought so far was a chubby heath herring. if heath was ripped he would be a lighter heavy weight imo as well. in another case just look at shane carwin. that guy is another monster who just came along. did anyone see that one inch punch he knocked gabe gonzaga out cold with? thats not because he did kunfu for 13 years its because hes such a huge monster that even better more skilled heavyweights just cant contend with it.
shevtheman
8/1/09 7:50:13AM
If they're doing this at 195 it hints at them seriously looking at this super middleweight category.
shevtheman
8/1/09 7:59:24AM

Posted by xAcidburNx

Im really all for a new weight class. more weight classes means more fighters, more events, and more roots for mma. its a sign that there really isnt enough space for the boom of MMArtists that are coming out and that there needs to be a change. although 195 division isnt a bad start it would make much more sense to split the heavyweights first. i think we all should agree that a weight class that starts after a 205 division all the way up to 265 is rediculous. people know its not fair to put a lightweight vs a middleweight so why is this any different. heck look at the diffferences within WC's. guys like grey maynard in LW are hard to handle just because of how big he is. mike swick cut down all the way from light heavy to now WW. Rashad evans from HW. its because of the small differences that they do this. for a guy like brock lesnar to go in there and start smashing HW its obviouse its not just his wrestling. the biggest guy hes fought so far was a chubby heath herring. if heath was ripped he would be a lighter heavy weight imo as well. in another case just look at shane carwin. that guy is another monster who just came along. did anyone see that one inch punch he knocked gabe gonzaga out cold with? thats not because he did kunfu for 13 years its because hes such a huge monster that even better more skilled heavyweights just cant contend with it.


HW definetly needs a top weight limit, its insane. But theres noway Rashad Evans is a natural HW. I think most fighters cut from a high weight anyway, but there at least has to be a weight limit at HW that these guys have to be cutting to right? I would say 240 or 235 is the limit these guys have to get to.
DCRage
8/1/09 8:15:16AM
So Belfort won't move up to 205 to fight Mousasi, yet he'll go to 195 to fight Ace. Hmmmmm...
Wolf
8/1/09 11:38:49AM
this is retarded. vitor even said he wants to fight at heavyweight again someday. So lets do it right and have him fight at 205 for this.
Aaronno9
8/1/09 11:56:10AM

Posted by DCRage

So Belfort won't move up to 205 to fight Mousasi, yet he'll go to 195 to fight Ace. Hmmmmm...



Exacly what I was thinking. I also remember him saying it might not be big enough and hes only after the biggest fights. Although he was obviously willing to make an exception for Terry Martin....
spikerman19
8/1/09 12:24:33PM

Posted by prozacnation1978

just make the new weight class already 195 cruiserweight



I have a good feeling that this new trend will be the begining of a new weight class. I remember hearing about it some time last year.
Giant_Ochai
8/1/09 12:27:48PM
Wasn't Franklin/Cane rumored at one point? There's all kinds of guys in both weight classes. These catchweight fights annoy me.
GrandMaster313
8/1/09 3:44:11PM
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am so happy the "Phenom" is back home in the UFC. watch out MW's and LHW's.

WAR VITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cobbs666
8/1/09 3:45:18PM
i like middle-light heavyweight
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