Frank Mir Thinks That Fighting in Brazil Is Probably a Bad Idea

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prophecy033
3/27/12 1:29:01AM
We finally know when Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen will make sweet violence to one another for a second time: It'll be June 23 in Rio de Janeiro.

Sonnen likely won't be well-received by the fans there. That's what happens when you spend two years badmouthing an entire country and their most beloved fighter. But another UFC fighter says he's not too keen on fighting in Brazil either.

Frank Mir explained his viewpoint while talking to CraveOnline:

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Bubbles
3/27/12 12:22:43PM
fyi you have to scroll over a few articles to get to it.
Kpro
3/27/12 12:29:34PM
Mir: f I go to a restaurant and someone is a Nogueira fan, what are they gonna do to my food? Brazilian fans, fans in general, can be kinda crazy ... I've received quite a few crazy Emails ... Google translate is a phenomenal thing but it kind of makes you cringe a little bit when you see what people wanna say.

The Brazilian fans are certainly the most vocal and outgoing in the entire sport. During the UFC's first trip to Brazil, media members sitting by the octagon were showered in beer thrown by unruly fans.

They're passionate about the sport, but you can't blame Mir and other UFC stars who are hesitant to fight there.




Makes sense to me, the fans at the weigh-ins were telling the non-Brazilian fighters like Mendes that they hoped he would die.

Brazilian fans are easily the most disrespectful fans I've ever seen.
KungFuMaster
3/27/12 12:40:34PM

Posted by Kpro

Mir: f I go to a restaurant and someone is a Nogueira fan, what are they gonna do to my food? Brazilian fans, fans in general, can be kinda crazy ... I've received quite a few crazy Emails ... Google translate is a phenomenal thing but it kind of makes you cringe a little bit when you see what people wanna say.

The Brazilian fans are certainly the most vocal and outgoing in the entire sport. During the UFC's first trip to Brazil, media members sitting by the octagon were showered in beer thrown by unruly fans.

They're passionate about the sport, but you can't blame Mir and other UFC stars who are hesitant to fight there.




Makes sense to me, the fans at the weigh-ins were telling the non-Brazilian fighters like Mendes that they hoped he would die.

Brazilian fans are easily the most disrespectful fans I've ever seen.



Mir needs to pack a ton of frozen foods for this trip.
prophecy033
3/27/12 1:00:35PM

Posted by Bubbles

fyi you have to scroll over a few articles to get to it.

yeah, Bleachers report is a little tricky sometimes. Sorry guys
tcunningham
3/27/12 1:38:47PM
“Greetings from Sao Paulo! I'm learning the language: breakdancing in the Special Olympics is called Capoiera and cocaine is called brunch”

“Brazil likes to boast that it’s the power seat of MMA, yet it’s so-called champions bow to the man behind 'Under Siege 2.'…….. Classy" - chael sonnen

oh chael, i cant believe the things that come out of your mouth sometimes.
Chael_Sonnen
3/27/12 1:57:50PM

Posted by tcunningham

“Greetings from Sao Paulo! I'm learning the language: breakdancing in the Special Olympics is called Capoiera and cocaine is called brunch”

“Brazil likes to boast that it’s the power seat of MMA, yet it’s so-called champions bow to the man behind 'Under Siege 2.'…….. Classy" - chael sonnen

oh chael, i cant believe the things that come out of your mouth sometimes.



Don't forget 'The Glimmer Man' - - Seegal should be executed by the brahzelian faithful for that trash.
BlueSkiesBurn
3/27/12 4:29:05PM

Posted by prophecy033

yeah, Bleacher Report is worthless. Sorry guys



Fixed.
bjj1605
3/27/12 8:18:30PM
Right guys.

Lets vilify the Brazilians.

In know way should we criticize Chael for the racist, ethnocentric, generalizing, and offensive statements that he makes.

It's just 'entertainment', right?

Suppose I would find it entertaining to see Chael Sonnen chased out of Brazil in fear for his life. Does that excuse the behavior? Not at all.

People need to be held accountable for the things they say. Chael says very offensive things.

PS. I rarely here people talk about the fact that American's chant "USA, USA" every time a foreign fighter comes out. Why is it that other countries must be held to a stricter standard regarding the bounds of patriotism than we are?
Kpro
3/27/12 8:28:45PM

Posted by bjj1605

Right guys.

Lets vilify the Brazilians.

I rarely here people talk about the fact that American's chant "USA, USA" every time a foreign fighter comes out. Why is it that other countries must be held to a stricter standard regarding the bounds of patriotism than we are?



I hope you're joking.

They were chanting "Die Mendes Die" during the weigh-ins.
They were chanting "Die Rumble Die" during the weigh-ins.
Both guys had encounters of fans walking up to them telling them they hoped they would die.
The entire media section at UFC Rio was covered in beer thrown by the fans.

How does any of that relate to anything about stricter standards for patriotism than the US is?

That is a safety issue.
Kpro
3/27/12 8:35:04PM
Imagine US Fans chanting "Die Belfort Die"
And "Die Aldo Die"
And multiple fans walking up to Vitor and Jose telling them they hoped they would die tonight.
Toss in more beer-throwing than possibly all other UFC events combined.

If that went down in Vegas by US fans, it would've been a MUCH bigger issue.
bjj1605
3/27/12 9:22:13PM
I'll be honest.

I'm exhibiting an extreme counter position.

It's not that I think its appropriate for Brazilians to threaten the lives of other country's fighters. Fighting is a sport and threatening the safety of a fighter is stepping over a line...big time.

I just get offended by the fact that everyone is willing to trash the Brazilians left and right. A lot of the statements border on racism (countryism?) in my opinion.

Chael is partially responsible for this situation because of the extremely disrespectful statements he has made.

Besides... I think it is all just for show on the part of the Brazilians. I don't think anyone is actually in danger.


Nothing wrong with heightening security just in case. I'd just rather see people avoid these broad statements about an entire country based on the actions of a few wacko sports fans.
machodog76
3/27/12 10:56:10PM
I watched an event on HDnet last year where the entire stadium was chanting, "You're going to die." every time a non Brazilian was walking out. I've never seen any televised event in any other country where the home crowd called for the foreigner's death. Restaurants would be rough.
icantthinkofanything
3/28/12 12:24:30PM
Free speech is one thing, but you should not make death threats or hopeful death predictions of the opposing fighter. It seems like everyone is too passionate about their own perspective, at the expense of others. and all anyone can do is try to set a good example for others to follow.


Brazil seems more pro brazil and anti usa .about nationality than the rest of the mma world. In the USA it is common to root for and respect other non USA fighters and cultures, and Americans still get called stupid and whatever else for the slightest hint of national pride, whereas every other country it is expected that they will be nationalist and anything they do in that spirit is overlooked. If we did the same stuff they would complain that American fans are prejudiced.
Franklinfan47
3/28/12 6:22:50PM
I cant even bring myself to visit Brazil because of the crime, I cant imagine fighting a major brazilian celebrity surrounded by close to 100 000 fans.

Is it racist to value your life?
bjj1605
3/29/12 11:54:34PM

Posted by Franklinfan47

I cant even bring myself to visit Brazil because of the crime, I cant imagine fighting a major brazilian celebrity surrounded by close to 100 000 fans.

Is it racist to value your life?



Are you kdding me???

About 20 guys from my gym just went down to Brazil for two weeks to spend time training with Pedro Sauer.

Guess what....none of them got robbed or killed.

The favelas are dangerous. So is Detroit. I wouldn't step foot in either.

Brazil is one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

This whole discussion just shows how ignorant most Americans about the rest of the world.

Pookie
3/30/12 1:57:04AM
The favela's are literally up the hill from the beaches. Go a half mile in the wrong direction and you are in the thick of it.

50,000 people a year get murdered in brazil. It's a very dangerous place.
KungFuMaster
3/30/12 12:58:46PM
There are a lot of dangerous places. BJJ thinks we live in paradise where all people are kind. That is a beautiful thought and I can only wish it was true. Foreigners get mugged and beat up all the time during their vacations. Many never make it back.

Because we fear for our safety, we are now racists.

No one here is claiming all Brazilians are bad people. What everyone is virtually saying is Brazil is a dangerous place to visit. I'm sure there are pockets of good communities in Brazil - as there would be in any other country ........but when I plan an out of country vacation, I will definitely choose carefully because safety comes first.
machodog76
3/30/12 3:32:14PM

Posted by bjj1605


Posted by Franklinfan47

I cant even bring myself to visit Brazil because of the crime, I cant imagine fighting a major brazilian celebrity surrounded by close to 100 000 fans.

Is it racist to value your life?



Are you kdding me???

About 20 guys from my gym just went down to Brazil for two weeks to spend time training with Pedro Sauer.

Guess what....none of them got robbed or killed.

The favelas are dangerous. So is Detroit. I wouldn't step foot in either.


This whole discussion just shows how ignorant most Americans about the rest of the world.


Brazil is one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
Crime in Brazil involves an elevated incidence of violent and non-violent crimes.[1] According to most sources, Brazil possesses high rates of violent crimes, such as murders and robberies; the homicide rate has been steadily declining, but it is still above 20.0 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants, placing the country in the top 20 countries by intentional homicide rate.[2][3] First thing that comes up when you google brazil murder rate. It's a violent dangerous place. I used to live on the worst corner in in town, we had 7 drive bys in one summer. I never was threatened or shot at, that didn't make it a safe place. Your reasoning is based the experience of 10 people?
Franklinfan47
3/30/12 8:15:44PM

Posted by bjj1605


Posted by Franklinfan47

I cant even bring myself to visit Brazil because of the crime, I cant imagine fighting a major brazilian celebrity surrounded by close to 100 000 fans.

Is it racist to value your life?



Are you kdding me???

About 20 guys from my gym just went down to Brazil for two weeks to spend time training with Pedro Sauer.

Guess what....none of them got robbed or killed.

The favelas are dangerous. So is Detroit. I wouldn't step foot in either.

Brazil is one of the fastest growing economies in the world.

This whole discussion just shows how ignorant most Americans about the rest of the world.




I was going to retort, but the people above me did a good enough job already. So ill just say, I'm not American bro! I live in one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world.
ncordless
3/31/12 4:29:57AM
First off, Brazilians are easily the worst fans in terms of being horrible to foreign fighters. It's completely unacceptable.

Brazil has some areas of extreme poverty and violence. But overall, the homicide rate is roughly the same as Oakland or DC, and less than St. Louis, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, and Newark. Some areas in Brazil are much worse than any of those cities, but many areas of Brazil are much safer than those cities as well. And just like those cities, your safety depends on where you go, what time it is, and whether you look like easy pickin's or not.

Bubbles
3/31/12 2:08:47PM

Posted by Franklinfan47
I'm not American bro! I live in one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world.


Pookie
3/31/12 3:09:33PM

Posted by ncordless
[O]verall, the homicide rate is roughly the same as Oakland



KingCmb
3/31/12 3:14:36PM
so what iv gained from this thread is canda rocks?
Pookie
3/31/12 3:16:48PM

Posted by the-king

so what iv gained from this thread is canda rocks?



Yes Canda rocks, but not Canada. Canada is a cold cold place.
DancingDoll
3/31/12 3:54:54PM
If a fighter publicly and persistently bashed, humiliated and flamed the USA and its people the way Sonnen has done with Brazilians, I would like to see the reaction they would get fighting on US soil.

Chances are it wouldn't be this respectful applauding you think the Brazilians owe the American fighters that have spent much of their trash-talking targeting this one country.

In my opinion - yeah, heightened security is warranted to a degree, but if you wanna talk the talk, you have to 'man up' and accept the risk.
KingCmb
3/31/12 7:23:04PM

Posted by Pookie


Posted by the-king

so what iv gained from this thread is canda rocks?



Yes Canda rocks, but not Canada. Canada is a cold cold place.



my bad im dumb,
bjj1605
4/1/12 5:24:08PM

Posted by DancingDoll

If a fighter publicly and persistently bashed, humiliated and flamed the USA and its people the way Sonnen has done with Brazilians, I would like to see the reaction they would get fighting on US soil.

Chances are it wouldn't be this respectful applauding you think the Brazilians owe the American fighters that have spent much of their trash-talking targeting this one country.

In my opinion - yeah, heightened security is warranted to a degree, but if you wanna talk the talk, you have to 'man up' and accept the risk.



Exactly.

You're one of my new favorite posters.
Kpro
4/1/12 6:51:40PM
It's not the way Brazilians treat Sonnen.

It's the way Brazilians treat every non-Brazilian fighter.

I assumed that was self-explanatory throughout the thread and every post in here.
Kpro
4/1/12 6:55:05PM
Sure US fans will chant USA during a Bisping fight, and then they'll cheer the fuck out of Dan Hardy. And they won't chant "Die [insert name] Die!" towards any of them

It's the Brazilians fans in general. Nothing to do about how they feel about Sonnen.

It's no longer national pride when death threats towards fighters who have said how much they love Brazil are involved (Mendes, Johnson, etc.).
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