Frank Mir confirms he would rematch Brock Lesnar

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Wolfenstein
11/7/08 10:11:22PM
Speaking to Setanta Sports News, Mir said:

“I’d rather fight Brock than Randy. Randy has been dealing with MMA for a lot longer and he knows how to fight off submissions to a greater degree than Brock does.”

“Brock’s only trained for two or three years. I’ve been doing it a lot longer. But Randy’s ability to stop my submissions would be about the same as my ability to stop his takedowns.”

“He’s been wrestling for 18 years - I’ve been doing martial arts since I was four, so I’ve been practicing for 25 years. For him to catch up on the submissions game is going to be one heck of a feat.”

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juanez13
11/7/08 10:18:58PM
I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.
postman
11/7/08 10:25:59PM

Posted by juanez13

I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.



Do you think Brock will be able to resist taking the fight to the ground? I also don't know that he is as good as mir on the feet and if he is it won't be enough that he will be comfortable so he will naturaly take it to the ground. Much like the last fight if he dosn't score a quick tko with some gorund and pound mir will win that fight.
Evilwig
11/7/08 10:37:29PM

Posted by juanez13

I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.



I like Mir, I think he deserves a title shot, who would you like to see fighting for the title?
juanez13
11/7/08 10:44:12PM

Posted by Evilwig


Posted by juanez13

I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.



I like Mir, I think he deserves a title shot, who would you like to see fighting for the title?



what makes you think he deserved the shot? beating Lesnar?...........I think Werdum should have gotten it. I think werdum and Gonzaga would beat him easily.
Evilwig
11/7/08 10:52:31PM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by Evilwig


Posted by juanez13

I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.



I like Mir, I think he deserves a title shot, who would you like to see fighting for the title?



what makes you think he deserved the shot? beating Lesnar?...........I think Werdum should have gotten it. I think werdum and Gonzaga would beat him easily.



Beating Lesnar, based on the fact that If Lesnar have a title shot, the Mir should have one too. Also Mir, his an excellent fighter and was a champ previously too.

Also, seeing how werdum lost last month, I don't think he deserve a shot anytime soon. But you're right Gonzaga deserves a title but I don't think he could beat Mir.
Twenty20Dollars
11/7/08 10:55:08PM
Yeah Mir barely beat Dan Christison, then lost to vera and then beat hardonk and inexperienced lesnar and he gets a title shot. I think because everyone kinda of left the UFC or had lost is how Mir fell into a title shot, but he does not deserve a shot.


I think Brock could beat mir standing, i dont think lesnar would take it to the ground because of the fact that I dont see mir damaging lesnar on the feet so bad that lesnar would want to take the fight to the ground.

I think mir is crazy for saying he'd take lesnar in a rematch instead of old couture. Lesnar can only get better I think and that would be scary to me if i was mir. Since he had mir seeing stars or whatever.
juanez13
11/7/08 11:00:10PM

Posted by Evilwig
Beating Lesnar, based on the fact that If Lesnar have a title shot, the Mir should have one too. Also Mir, his an excellent fighter and was a champ previously too.

Also, seeing how werdum lost last month, I don't think he deserve a shot anytime soon. But you're right Gonzaga deserves a title but I don't think he could beat Mir.



Lesnar wasnt been offered the title back when Mir did, nor does he deserve it. When Mir was announced to take on Nogueira, Randy still was outside of the UFC, and Werdum was just coming off a win over Gonzaga.

Gonzaga has dynamite in his hands and legs, and Mir's stand up is anything but impressive. Mir's best weapon is his jits, and both Gonzaga and Werdum can match him in that department.
Evilwig
11/7/08 11:02:59PM

Posted by juanez13


Posted by Evilwig
Beating Lesnar, based on the fact that If Lesnar have a title shot, the Mir should have one too. Also Mir, his an excellent fighter and was a champ previously too.

Also, seeing how werdum lost last month, I don't think he deserve a shot anytime soon. But you're right Gonzaga deserves a title but I don't think he could beat Mir.



Lesnar wasnt been offered the title back when Mir did, nor does he deserve it. When Mir was announced to take on Nogueira, Randy still was outside of the UFC, and Werdum was just coming off a win over Gonzaga.

Gonzaga has dynamite in his hands and legs, and Mir's stand up is anything but impressive. Mir's best weapon is his jits, and both Gonzaga and Werdum can match him in that department.



Last fight Werdum was really in bad shape and he didn't look impressive, Yeah Gonzaga would give Mir a rough time but I think would be able to win.

Or maybe I'm just nuthugging who knows...
Wolfenstein
11/7/08 11:38:08PM
Mir was obviously chosen because he made a great TUF coach and was coming off a high profile win (against an unexperienced guy..but a lot of people were watching and didn't think Mir stood a chance).

Werdum definetely deserved the shot, unfortunately he had a major setback that will put him back at least two fights.

Does Brock deserve a shot in the tourney..hell no! I think against Mir, Gonzaga, or any good submission specialist Brock is in deep water. I think Mir would beat him again. I have to say this though...and it pains me to do so...he has a very good chance at beating any HW in the UFC. I don't think he's going to go on a tear and clean out the division, but any HW he steps in the cage with he has a good shot at beating them.
wapttn
11/7/08 11:55:24PM
Lesnar could beat Mir Standing up

really?

How many punches has lesnar landed standing up in his career? He's at 25%, he's thrown 4 punches and landed 1. This obviously doesnt include the lovetaps from the clinch with herring, but the point remains the same. Lets put it this way, for every punch lesnar has landed, Mir has a standing KO.

And as for Mir deserving a title shot.. the decision was between him and werdum. For ppv draw reasons, Mir defeated lesnar which brought him back to mainstream. For performance reasons, this guy is a former ufc hw champ who snapped sylvia's arm to get it. Werdum lost a snooze fest to arlovski, got a tko over gonzaga and then was on the fortunate side of an obviously poor stoppage. I have not been impressed with werdum in the ufc, and I dont think joe silva has been either. Obviously Mir got the nod because of slim pickins in the division, but who would you rather see fight nog? Because they chose Mir, we get to see who many believe to be the two best hw jiu jitsu fighters in the world treat us to a ground battle which will probably be remembered for a long time.


Twenty20Dollars
11/8/08 12:07:29AM
It's Arlvoski's fault along with UFC for not keeping him in the UFC then he would prolly be fighting for the title.
Wolfenstein
11/8/08 12:13:28AM
Good post Wapttn, unfortunately I would argue a couple points.

Everyone knows Mir's weakness is his standup. Brock hasn't really proven to have anything better either. Having seen the powe Lesnar can generate with one shot, and being that having a thick neck and big head historically translate to a good chin, I would say it is very likely Mir would have trouble on his feet. Not a guarantee but a dinete possibility.

Mir and Nog are two "of" the best HW BJJ guys, but it would be tough to argue that their BJJ is better than Roger Gracie or Fabricio Werdum.

As far as Arlovski...I don't think he's losing any sleep over not fighting in the UFC. One...he's not fighting on undercards...and 2...he's made about two he's made as much in two fights outside of the UFC as he would have made fighting two years in the UFC.
wapttn
11/8/08 1:38:05AM
Mir is definately out of his element when he's vertical. I would give him above average in leg kicks though. My main point was that its absurd that anyone is giving standup odds to a guy who has thrown 4 punches in his career. For me, Lesnar's standup is one of the reasons why his next fight has been so hard for me to pick... whats gonna happen when/if couture cracks him? some people really dont like getting punched.. lesnar could be one of them.

And i agree with the strong neck translating to a good chin because it helps absorb the impact of the hit... but I disagree with the big head thing. I heard joe rogan say the same thing about big heads take better punches... the two biggest heads in the sport: tito ortiz and mark hunt... opposite ends of the spectrum right?

I think its as easy argument to put nog as the best hw jits fighter in the world.. I personally think Mir would come in second... but in terms of honest rankings... hes simply in the mix with the other guys you named

He's probably benefitted more from bailling on the ufc than anyone...he's made a ton of cash, had two great fights and now gets to fight the best fighter in the world. With that said, affliction is asking fighters to take pay cuts suggesting that the payscale cant be maintained... and they wont be able to build their brand and bring it to mainstream with 1 - 2 events per year. Affliction will need to make some big moves if they're gonna stay afloat... and i guarantee trump will bail by 09 if they dont. And then everyone is back to the ufc =D
Bobby-B-Bonkers
11/8/08 5:29:25AM
ppl need 2 stop HATING on Mir

Mir wins the same as last time
cmb19932
11/8/08 10:01:12AM


i like mir but no way
prozacnation1978
11/8/08 10:03:46AM
if i beat someone too i would love to do it again

my prediction brock beats randy
big nog beats mir

big nog beats lesnar
gsquat
11/8/08 11:10:05AM
I agree that Brock's likely plan would be to keep the fight standing and knock Mir out. He's got decent hands, he just doesn't have confidence to keep it standing yet. Brock should also do that against Nog, if he wants to have a chance at winning.
xtra_chewy
11/8/08 2:37:47PM

Posted by Evilwig


Posted by juanez13


Posted by Evilwig


Posted by juanez13

I think if Brock keeps the fight standing he can KO Mir. His striking wont be world class by that time, but Mir's isnt either, and based on power alone i think Brock would win the stand up. Same with the clinch, he can wear Mir out there, he hurt Herring Bad with some of those knees to the body (at one point i thought Herring was gonna go down), and I dont think Mir can take many of those.


I still believe Mir has no place fighting for the title, nor is he a top 10 HW.



I like Mir, I think he deserves a title shot, who would you like to see fighting for the title?



what makes you think he deserved the shot? beating Lesnar?...........I think Werdum should have gotten it. I think werdum and Gonzaga would beat him easily.



Beating Lesnar, based on the fact that If Lesnar have a title shot, the Mir should have one too. Also Mir, his an excellent fighter and was a champ previously too.

Also, seeing how werdum lost last month, I don't think he deserve a shot anytime soon. But you're right Gonzaga deserves a title but I don't think he could beat Mir.



You've got to be kidding....
The-Don
11/8/08 3:23:26PM

Posted by xtra_chewy


You've got to be kidding....



no offense.. but what kind of reply is that... ?

some valid points were made on both sides of the argument and when it comes to MMA upsets and freak things happen all the time.. and the HW division in the UFC really only has one stand out right now and that is Nog.. Randy is questionable at the moment cause he has been out of the ring for awhile so we need to wait for this fight with Brock to see how he is. as for the rest they all have advantages and disadvantages and a case could be made for any of them to have the shot at Nog and the title over all with it being so close I think giving the shot to Mir is a fine choice. He never offically lost the title... and while some may say he may not be the best choice.. no other choice really stands out as the next obvious one. So it is really just giving Mir a shot at what was once his and was never lost in the ring.
bls1919
11/8/08 7:48:33PM
IMO a lot of Mir, and Lesnar getting titles shots is(was) due to the fact that the HW division was in the toilet . Dana and the boys came up with this 4 way, 3 fight debacle. In the end the current interim champ will be UNDISPUTED. Nog will out last Mir then sub Lesnar.
bls1919
11/8/08 7:50:30PM
Ohh and i forgot to say, that right now the four of them are the most talked about thing in the sport right now. Big names = BIG MONEY
higdon10
11/8/08 7:51:48PM
Randy over Brock
Nog over Mir

Nog over Randy
xtra_chewy
11/8/08 7:59:50PM

Posted by The-Don


Posted by xtra_chewy


You've got to be kidding....



no offense.. but what kind of reply is that... ?

some valid points were made on both sides of the argument and when it comes to MMA upsets and freak things happen all the time.. and the HW division in the UFC really only has one stand out right now and that is Nog.. Randy is questionable at the moment cause he has been out of the ring for awhile so we need to wait for this fight with Brock to see how he is. as for the rest they all have advantages and disadvantages and a case could be made for any of them to have the shot at Nog and the title over all with it being so close I think giving the shot to Mir is a fine choice. He never offically lost the title... and while some may say he may not be the best choice.. no other choice really stands out as the next obvious one. So it is really just giving Mir a shot at what was once his and was never lost in the ring.



Sorry, let me clarify. MIR>GONZAGA
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