UFC on Fox 4 Main or Co-Main Event to Determine Next Title Contender at 205lbs

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lohmann
7/25/12 8:03:39PM
According to a report from Fox Sports on Wednesday, UFC president Dana White and matchmaker Joe Silva will find the next light heavyweight title contender out of the two main event bouts heading the card in Los Angeles on Aug. 4.

Should Mauricio “Shogun” Rua defeat Brandon Vera in impressive fashion, he’s likely the man who will get the call to next compete for the UFC light heavyweight title. If Rua loses or doesn’t shine the way most expect him to against opponent Brandon Vera then the UFC will turn its attention to the co-main event bout between Lyoto Machida and Ryan Bader.

“These fighters have a huge opportunity to show the world why they deserve to fight for the UFC title next,” White said in an email to Fox Sports. “Winning isn’t enough at UFC on Fox. This division is so competitive these fighters have to look great to separate themselves from the pack.

“I’m expecting all of these guys to go all-out to prove why they should be next in line for a title shot.”

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lohmann
7/25/12 8:06:10PM
What do Ryan Bader, Lyoto Machida, Mauricio Rua, and Brandon Vera all in have common? They all already have lost to Jon Jones.
Twenty20Dollars
7/25/12 9:18:32PM
I think none of them are close to a title shot, even if they win.

Shogun coming off a loss. I know it was close, but still a loss just like Bisping's loss to Sonnen.

Vera came back from being cut.

Machida just lost to Jon Jones in his last fight and not like it was close or anything.

Bader if he wins would only be his 3rd straight win and he fought Jones 4 fights ago, followed up by a loss to Ortiz.


None of these guys vs Jones again interests me at all, but maybe once they build up some more then maybe.
Shawn91111
7/25/12 9:28:08PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I think none of them are close to a title shot, even if they win.

Shogun coming off a loss. I know it was close, but still a loss just like Bisping's loss to Sonnen.

Vera came back from being cut.

Machida just lost to Jon Jones in his last fight and not like it was close or anything.

Bader if he wins would only be his 3rd straight win and he fought Jones 4 fights ago, followed up by a loss to Ortiz.


None of these guys vs Jones again interests me at all, but maybe once they build up some more then maybe.




Dont agree that Machida/Jones wasnt close. Machida took round 1 and got caught in round 2. I think out of the 4 fighters Machida has the best shot at beating Jones.
Poor_Franklin
7/25/12 9:39:42PM
as a Shogun fan, i hope we dont see him fight Jones any time soon. But would love to see him & Hendo go at it again!
Twenty20Dollars
7/25/12 9:46:28PM

Posted by Shawn91111


Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I think none of them are close to a title shot, even if they win.

Shogun coming off a loss. I know it was close, but still a loss just like Bisping's loss to Sonnen.

Vera came back from being cut.

Machida just lost to Jon Jones in his last fight and not like it was close or anything.

Bader if he wins would only be his 3rd straight win and he fought Jones 4 fights ago, followed up by a loss to Ortiz.


None of these guys vs Jones again interests me at all, but maybe once they build up some more then maybe.




Dont agree that Machida/Jones wasnt close. Machida took round 1 and got caught in round 2. I think out of the 4 fighters Machida has the best shot at beating Jones.



I can really only remember the finish from the fight. Though, it's still too early for me to want to see a rematch.
prozacnation1978
7/25/12 10:27:39PM
Honestly I say have gustlfsson face bonner or lil nog at 151 and give him next title shot
Sir_Karl
7/25/12 10:38:20PM
If you look at the rankings and who hasn't faced Jones yet Alexander Gustafsson is near the top. I guess the UFC doesn't think a Jones/Gustafsson match is the right thing to do. Fight magazine has Alexander ranked 4th behind Jones, Hendo and Rashad. I don't necessarily think Gustafsson can beat Jones but we know that the rest of the pack behind him can't either as they have already tried. Gustafsson matches up well against Jones. He is tall and has a long reach. I think it would be a pretty good scrap really. Well for a while anyhow till Jones turns up the heat. Personally I want to see Glover Teixeira make it far enough up the ladder to face Jones. Teixeira is an animal. I have been a fan of his for years and I am so psyched he is in the UFC finally. He threw Kingsbury around like he was a rag doll. He made short, vicious work of him. I have a feeling he is going to beat on Rampage. If Glover beats Rampage and another top tier guy they will probably give him a title shot. I hope so. I say Gustafsson for now though.
Sir_Karl
7/25/12 10:41:19PM
Of course the Hendo/Jones match comes first. I hope Hendo can somehow win!!! Doubt it though.
FastKnockout
7/25/12 11:29:28PM
The next contender will be used as a sacrificial lamb to be fed to Bones while Gusaffson racks up another.

If Bones can handle Henderson, of course.
Pookie
7/25/12 11:45:00PM
So these are the parameters:

-Main or Co-main event determines next title contender at 205
-Winning isnt enough for Fox, you need to win big.

In my estimation, Shogun has about a 100% chance of finishing the fight decisively if he wins, and Machida about 40-50% if he wins.

Shogun is more likely than not, the next title contender.
Twenty20Dollars
7/26/12 1:06:11AM
I just don't think Machida has done anything to earn a second shot at Jones after he just fought Jones in his last fight.

He lost the title to shogun

Then lost to Rampage, although he probably won that fight.

He beats Couture and then gets a title shot. Other circumstances in that case, I believe.

Then loses to Jones.

Then if he beats Bader, he should get to fight Jones again after 1 win?

Hendo beating Jones would open up things a lot at LHW.
meier
7/26/12 1:36:06AM
Or if belfort ko's belcher that could be an idea other than the guff of course who deserves it more than any other. but all this depends on if jones gets passed hendo.
jjeans
7/26/12 7:57:19AM
Last 5 Fights:

Top 3:
Jones 5-0
Hendo 4-1
Evans 4-1

The 4 Mentioned:
Shogun 2-3
Machida 2-3
Bader 3-2
Vera 2-2-1

The up-and-comers:
Phil Davis 4-1
Alexander Gustaffason 5-0
James Te Huna 4-1

The (No-Offence) Has-Beens:
Forrest Griffin 3-2
Rampage 2-3

One Light-Heavyweight win away from a title shot:
Chael Sonnen 3-2
Daniel Cormier 5-0

=========================================================

Looking over that list nobody has been consistent. I could justify Chael Sonnen being 1 win away as much as Shogun, Vera, Machida or Bader.

I think should Davis win this weekend he should be lined up next but it should be scheduled for quite a while away 4-6 months so that other contenders can emerge. Unless, Hendo lands the H-Bomb, if that happens, i will be one happy happy man.

H-BOMB! H-BOMB! H-BOMB! H-BOMB! H-BOMB!
lohmann
7/26/12 8:20:21AM

Posted by jjeans

I think should Davis win this weekend he should be lined up next but it should be scheduled for quite a while away 4-6 months so that other contenders can emerge. Unless, Hendo lands the H-Bomb, if that happens, i will be one happy happy man.



I doubt that Phil Davis could use a win over Wagner Prado to springboard himself into a title shot. What hurts the two top ten fighters that have not fought Jones yet, Davis and Gustaffson, is that neither have the signature win that will help the UFC market them as a legitimate contender against a dominant champion. Gustaffson is closer with the dominant victory over Thiago Silva but that is hardly the sort of momentum needed anymore to jump into a fight with Bones. Actually, should Teixeira defeat Jackson, we might see Glover leapfrog both.

(The quandary at the top will of course be minimized when an H-Bomb annihilates the Jones train.)
Kpro
7/26/12 8:36:26AM
Bones is ducking Glover.
Kevro
7/26/12 8:55:39AM
Gustafuson should be 1 win away, shogun should get loser of Jones vs hendo then if he should win then he is 1 win away. Belcher really impressed me in his last fight but i still think hes 2 wins out.

I think if bones dominates hendo like his fight with shogun i think bones should move up to HW and have a small LHW tourney.

but hey im a nobody lol
tallica62
7/26/12 9:37:54AM
I still don't understand how/why Vera was given this opportunity vs Shogun...I'd rather see a more deserving Phil Davis there than him
Kpro
7/26/12 9:57:00AM
I think Vera is a good test because he's not easy to finish (Twice in 18 fights, Werdum & Bones). He's 4-3 at 205 but he arguably won the Couture/Jardine decisions as even Couture said Vera won their fight and the Jardine fight was a flip a coin SD, so he's a hair away from 6-1 at 205 with his only loss being to Bones.

Let's see some finishing instinct from Shogun against a guy that has proven to be hard to finish. We've seen what happens when Rua takes someone lightly and it's not pretty.
BuffaloDave
7/26/12 11:10:43AM

Posted by Kevro

Gustafuson should be 1 win away, shogun should get loser of Jones vs hendo then if he should win then he is 1 win away. Belcher really impressed me in his last fight but i still think hes 2 wins out.

I think if bones dominates hendo like his fight with shogun i think bones should move up to HW and have a small LHW tourney.

but hey im a nobody lol



It's still 2-3 years away before Bones would make the move to HW. He just turned 25 like a week ago. He's at 16 wins now, I'd say once he hits the 20 mark, is the time he makes the move, that would give him some more title defenses, and cement his legacy at LHW, providing he wins out....
Twenty20Dollars
7/26/12 11:14:20AM

Posted by Kpro

I think Vera is a good test because he's not easy to finish (Twice in 18 fights, Werdum & Bones). He's 4-3 at 205 but he arguably won the Couture/Jardine decisions as even Couture said Vera won their fight and the Jardine fight was a flip a coin SD, so he's a hair away from 6-1 at 205 with his only loss being to Bones.

Let's see some finishing instinct from Shogun against a guy that has proven to be hard to finish. We've seen what happens when Rua takes someone lightly and it's not pretty.



That would be a very unimpressive 6-1, though. He got dominated by Jones and then by Silva, even though he tested positive.

He just hasn't been the same since coming down to 205. He is solid, but I have to take Shogun to tko him, with his 17 tko's. I was thinking a UD but Shogun rarely wins by decision.
deck15
7/26/12 1:11:51PM
After reading this the only thing the jumped out to me was how guys dont know weight classes. Truth is no one jumps off the page. 205 is in need of some fresh blood seems like most of the "contenders" are on the backside of their careers.
MMA-San
7/27/12 12:03:57AM

Posted by prozacnation1978

Honestly I say have gustlfsson face bonner or lil nog at 151 and give him next title shot



WTF? A good posts by prozacnation?!?
MMA-San
7/27/12 12:06:22AM
Davis need to be faced against either of the 4 men mentioned so that a win can justify him a title shot. Gustafasson could thereoretically face a can and win and he's still be next in line.

Keep in mind tho people, Davis has beatn Gus...soo Davis with a win over top competition would be ahead of him...its just that they are feeding him some nobody,
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