Forrest will control the clinch!

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balack_o-bama
7/1/08 2:33:26PM
Just thought i'd add this little bit of info that i didnt read til a few days after I made this thread.

Griffin told the UFC's "Countdown to UFC 86" preview, airing on Spike this week, that he plans to use his height and reach advantages to tie Jackson up in the clinch and pound him with knees and elbows.
Link - http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=13545



A big part of Quintens game is the clinch. He uses it for takedowns as well as dirty boxing. However I believe Forrest will control this aspect of the fight. Forrest has been training with Wandy and of course Randy, two of the best "clinchers" in the game. Everytime Jackson tries to clinch he will be eating knees to the body. I think Griffin will also use the clinch as a big part of his offense. Im not saying its gonna be like Rampage vs Wandy 2, but Forrest will wear him down with knees to the body until he is able to deliver them to the head. Forrest by TKO rnd 4. You heard it here first.


Also noone knows what WILL happen until Saturday, so don't flame. Feel free to agree or disagree.
Mattchoo
7/1/08 2:47:00PM
With the size of Forrest I can see this one potentially playing out like that

But Forrest isnt exactly known as a powerful guy when it gets up close and personal like Rampage is, so if it was to happen I could see Forrest being thrown off or taken down just as easily.

Jacksons style will be a bit too much for Forrest in my eyes though, he is so technical now especially in striking just look at the rolling guard which he pulls off perfectly!! Brute strength and punching power will be the fall of Forrest on this one.


WAR RAMPAGE!
joshryanshepherd
7/1/08 2:51:51PM
when i first heard this fight was taking place my thoughts were that jackson was gonna get an easy win....but later on i started putting things into perspective and i do think griffin will win this fight, it really is untelling how long he will hold it but he will get the title.
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
7/1/08 3:05:25PM
going by your 23-26 fight picks , you must be a mindreader . forest round 4 tko!!!
Pitbull09
7/1/08 3:08:02PM
I think this is the only thing forrest has going for him. Rampage isnt weak in the clinch though. Watch Randleman/Jackson. They exchanged knees for the majority of the fight til Jackson backed out and KO'd him. Also Henderson had no answers in the clinch imo.
Pitbull09
7/1/08 3:11:33PM

Posted by AnDeRsonDaSiLvA

going by your 23-26 fight picks , you must be a mindreader . forest round 4 tko!!!



Ha, thats why I like this forum. You can talk all you want but we can see a person record to see credibility. The guy has five props already though so maybe he makes good posts, just not picks.

Rampage 2nd Round KO
nickcuc547
7/1/08 3:49:11PM
i think if forrest wants to get knocked out quick he clinches with rampage. forrests chance of winning is fighting the way he fought tito, pick him apart and defend the take down, it's just too bad rampage has better takedowns and standup than tito does. forrest will get his shots in but rampage will control the bout, round 3 ko.
billycarnage
7/1/08 4:03:26PM
Maybe Forrest can't "bust a grape" with his jabs, but he's got heavy leg kicks and pretty allusive stand up. He won't get man handled in the clinch. I think we will see the best Forrest we have ever seen and I am looking forward to it.

However for playground sake...
Rampage 2nd round TKO
Franklinfan47
7/1/08 4:33:31PM
I'm not too sure about this, I think Rampage might be too strong to be "controlled" by Forrest.
Kastro
7/1/08 9:53:11PM

Posted by AnDeRsonDaSiLvA

going by your 23-26 fight picks , you must be a mindreader . forest round 4 tko!!!



HAHAHA.. hilarious, that made my day..

But no honestly.. Rampage via Unanimous Decision..
zephead
7/1/08 9:57:13PM
WAR JOE SILVA!!!!!!!!!!
NatedawgThaM
7/1/08 10:40:13PM
Yeah, no offense but their is no way in hell I see this happening.

A. Rampage is a hell of a lot stronger.

B. Forrest is a good amateur style wrestler shooting double legs and singles but Rampage is more of a grecco roman guy with MMA. He loves the clinch.

If Matt Lindland couldn't even control Rampage from the clinch who is a olympic medalist in grecco roman and got slammed the shit out of him. How will Forrest do such a thing? Yeah Wandy's training with him but Wandy uses the Muay Thai clinch with the hands behind your head. If Forrest does that he'll either get KO'd by huge uppercuts or gets slammed immediately and GNPed out. Sorry man, I just can't see it happening.
big_timmy
7/1/08 10:41:53PM
Forrest wont want to try body strength with Rampage.

He will wanna fight like he did with Tito, but push a little more.

forrest by 3rnd tko
balack_o-bama
7/2/08 2:07:19AM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Yeah, no offense but their is no way in hell I see this happening.

A. Rampage is a hell of a lot stronger.

B. Forrest is a good amateur style wrestler shooting double legs and singles but Rampage is more of a grecco roman guy with MMA. He loves the clinch.

If Matt Lindland couldn't even control Rampage from the clinch who is a olympic medalist in grecco roman and got slammed the shit out of him. How will Forrest do such a thing? Yeah Wandy's training with him but Wandy uses the Muay Thai clinch with the hands behind your head. If Forrest does that he'll either get KO'd by huge uppercuts or gets slammed immediately and GNPed out. Sorry man, I just can't see it happening.



A. I dont think he is that much stronger at all. Forrest is huge.

B. Im not talking wrestling. I think Forrest will go for/and get the Thai Clinch/plum when they become tangled up.

Lindland is 20lbs lighter. Rampage is gonna have is hands full here. What has he done since he came to the UFC???? Beat eastman. whoa. Landed a right on Chuck. I'll give it to him, nice job. And then went 5 close rounds with a natural middleweight. (Hendo) I am not impressed.


NatedawgThaM
7/2/08 3:05:27AM
Tito out muscled Forrest and I'm pretty sure Rampage is stronger then Tito IMO.

Who are you and what amazing achievements have you accomplished to be able to call an Olympic level wrestler and an Oregon state politician a bum? Your contradicting yourself. You believe Forrest will control Rampage in the clinch like Wandy did but then discredit his win over Hendo because Hendo fights at both weightclasses(isn't natural in either because he's great at both) and Hendo even knocked Silva the fudge out. How does that make sense? Hendo's clinch is a lot more stronger then Wandy's Muay Thai clinch. Wandy's is just more deadlier with strikes and Forrest is no Wandy when it comes to striking power.

Forrest ain't even stronger then Hendo, maybe not even Lindland either. Who went through hell to put Rampage on his back. I just don't see it happening IMHO.
Pookie
7/2/08 7:46:18AM

Posted by balack_o-bama


Posted by NatedawgThaM

Yeah, no offense but their is no way in hell I see this happening.

A. Rampage is a hell of a lot stronger.

B. Forrest is a good amateur style wrestler shooting double legs and singles but Rampage is more of a grecco roman guy with MMA. He loves the clinch.

If Matt Lindland couldn't even control Rampage from the clinch who is a olympic medalist in grecco roman and got slammed the shit out of him. How will Forrest do such a thing? Yeah Wandy's training with him but Wandy uses the Muay Thai clinch with the hands behind your head. If Forrest does that he'll either get KO'd by huge uppercuts or gets slammed immediately and GNPed out. Sorry man, I just can't see it happening.



A. I dont think he is that much stronger at all. Forrest is huge.

B. Im not talking wrestling. I think Forrest will go for/and get the Thai Clinch/plum when they become tangled up.

Lindland is a god damn bum and 20lbs lighter. Rampage is gonna have is hands full here. What has he done since he came to the UFC???? Beat eastman. whoa. Landed a right on Chuck. I'll give it to him, nice job. And then went 5 close rounds with a natural middleweight. (Hendo) I am not impressed.


And whoevers sayin sump'm bout muh record.... I be pickin all da fights on a card, ya dig? I dont be one of those Emelianenko Fedor types to be paddin muh record.




Lindland is not a god damn bum.
balack_o-bama
7/2/08 1:20:45PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

Tito out muscled Forrest and I'm pretty sure Rampage is stronger then Tito IMO.

Who are you and what amazing achievements have you accomplished to be able to call an Olympic level wrestler and an Oregon state politician a bum? Your contradicting yourself. You believe Forrest will control Rampage in the clinch like Wandy did but then discredit his win over Hendo because Hendo fights at both weightclasses(isn't natural in either because he's great at both) and Hendo even knocked Silva the fudge out. How does that make sense? Hendo's clinch is a lot more stronger then Wandy's Muay Thai clinch. Wandy's is just more deadlier with strikes and Forrest is no Wandy when it comes to striking power.

Forrest ain't even stronger then Hendo, maybe not even Lindland either. Who went through hell to put Rampage on his back. I just don't see it happening IMHO.



1. The Tito fight was a long time ago.
2. I just dont like the law. that stinky man. he said he dont shower for 2 weeks leading up to a fight just to stink the other guy out.
3.I think Forrest has the skill to quickly land a big knee to the body when Page locks up with him. Over time I see it being a big factor.
4. Im not saying hes gonna toss rampage around like a school girl, i just tihnk he'll be able to deal with him way better than people think.



AchillesHeel
7/2/08 1:46:22PM

Posted by balack_o-bama

And then went 5 close rounds with a natural middleweight. (Hendo) I am not impressed.


This is just silly. Henderson is literally an Olympic-level Greco-Roman wrestler with a renowned right-hand hammer. He was the Pride 205 lb Champion and 183 lb Grand Prix Champion. And 7 months before the Rampage fight, he had knocked the crap out of Wanderlei Silva.

If Quinton's win over Hendo wasn't impressive, nothing is.

chris91301
7/2/08 2:11:52PM
Rampage round 2 by TKO. most likely GNP after forest will try to clinch and get slammed down.

kind of like that rampage vs. igor vovchanko.
Figsak
7/2/08 3:53:44PM
Just because Griffin TRAINS with Wandy, doesn't mean he IS Wandy.

Wanderlei and Shogun were able to control Rampage in the clinch because they're world class Muay Thai guys. Their ability to grab a person by their head and bring up knees is not something ANYone can do, no matter how much you teach them.

Wandy and Shogun have something Griffin doesn't, dexterity. Their knees come up hard and fast, Griffin is a lumbering brawler who just doesn't HAVE the dexterity to bring his knees to the level of Wandy.

gsquat
7/2/08 4:06:17PM
No. Forrest will not control the clinch.
ncordless
7/2/08 4:33:01PM
I agree that Forrest's size will be a factor. We haven't seen Rampage fight someone who's size could negate Rampage's normal strength advantage.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Forrest will control the clinch. When in Forrest's entire career has he shown a penchant for using the Thai Plum? Forrest training with Couture is more likely to produce a Greco/Dirty boxing style clinch. Rampage has shown tremendous skill in these situations, beating both The Law and Henderson. The Law's silver medal in the 2000 Olympics is the highest rank for any Greco Roman turned MMA fighter out there. Hendo is definitely not a huge LHW, but it's a lie to say that he is a natural MW. The cut is pretty hard for him, and I wouldn't argue with those who say that Hendo looks better fighting at 205 than 185. Also even though Hendo is smallish at LHW, he is very strong at that weight. Randy Couture called him the strongest fighter he's ever sparred with, and it was well known that out of Randy, the Law, and Hendo, that Hendo was the strongest.
allmotormark
7/2/08 11:55:06PM

Posted by ncordless

I agree that Forrest's size will be a factor. We haven't seen Rampage fight someone who's size could negate Rampage's normal strength advantage.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Forrest will control the clinch. When in Forrest's entire career has he shown a penchant for using the Thai Plum? Forrest training with Couture is more likely to produce a Greco/Dirty boxing style clinch. Rampage has shown tremendous skill in these situations, beating both The Law and Henderson. The Law's silver medal in the 2000 Olympics is the highest rank for any Greco Roman turned MMA fighter out there. Hendo is definitely not a huge LHW, but it's a lie to say that he is a natural MW. The cut is pretty hard for him, and I wouldn't argue with those who say that Hendo looks better fighting at 205 than 185. Also even though Hendo is smallish at LHW, he is very strong at that weight. Randy Couture called him the strongest fighter he's ever sparred with, and it was well known that out of Randy, the Law, and Hendo, that Hendo was the strongest.



i agree 100% how many clinches has forrest gone for? really he is gonna stick and move he is gonna keep it on his feet, if there is a clinch he is gonna go for the take down right away. I would love to see forrest win , that would make the PPV all the more sweet
Figsak
7/3/08 1:29:17PM
Ya, stick and move in the best way a slow fighter can. I think he's counting too much on his ability to be elusive this fight. I think he's gonna stick, move, then get punished. I think this fight is gonna come down to who has the better chin (rampage), and who has the better cardio (Forrest).

balack_o-bama
7/3/08 4:17:32PM

Posted by ncordless

I agree that Forrest's size will be a factor. We haven't seen Rampage fight someone who's size could negate Rampage's normal strength advantage.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Forrest will control the clinch. When in Forrest's entire career has he shown a penchant for using the Thai Plum? Forrest training with Couture is more likely to produce a Greco/Dirty boxing style clinch. Rampage has shown tremendous skill in these situations, beating both The Law and Henderson. The Law's silver medal in the 2000 Olympics is the highest rank for any Greco Roman turned MMA fighter out there. Hendo is definitely not a huge LHW, but it's a lie to say that he is a natural MW. The cut is pretty hard for him, and I wouldn't argue with those who say that Hendo looks better fighting at 205 than 185. Also even though Hendo is smallish at LHW, he is very strong at that weight. Randy Couture called him the strongest fighter he's ever sparred with, and it was well known that out of Randy, the Law, and Hendo, that Hendo was the strongest.



What has Lindland done in MMA to make him so special? He loses to every good fighter he fights basically. He beat a few ok guys(Lutter, Baroni, Militech, Horn.) Greco Roman tourneys are not mma. You lose a lot of technique when your getting punched in the face. Hes not that good in mma.

Henderson is a very good fighter. Rampage had a lot of trouble dealing with Henderson, and Page had a strength advantage. Something he will not have against Forrest.
ncordless
7/3/08 4:43:55PM

Posted by balack_o-bama


Posted by ncordless

I agree that Forrest's size will be a factor. We haven't seen Rampage fight someone who's size could negate Rampage's normal strength advantage.

I completely disagree with your assertion that Forrest will control the clinch. When in Forrest's entire career has he shown a penchant for using the Thai Plum? Forrest training with Couture is more likely to produce a Greco/Dirty boxing style clinch. Rampage has shown tremendous skill in these situations, beating both The Law and Henderson. The Law's silver medal in the 2000 Olympics is the highest rank for any Greco Roman turned MMA fighter out there. Hendo is definitely not a huge LHW, but it's a lie to say that he is a natural MW. The cut is pretty hard for him, and I wouldn't argue with those who say that Hendo looks better fighting at 205 than 185. Also even though Hendo is smallish at LHW, he is very strong at that weight. Randy Couture called him the strongest fighter he's ever sparred with, and it was well known that out of Randy, the Law, and Hendo, that Hendo was the strongest.



What has Lindland done in MMA to make him so special? He loses to every good fighter he fights basically. He beat a few ok guys(Lutter, Baroni, Militech, Horn.) Greco Roman tourneys are not mma. You lose a lot of technique when your getting punched in the face. Hes not that good in mma.

Henderson is a very good fighter. Rampage had a lot of trouble dealing with Henderson, and Page had a strength advantage. Something he will not have against Forrest.



And he beat Travis Fulton!!!

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