Fitch's title shot

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CantAndleDaRiddum
3/3/08 11:23:48AM
i read on mmajunkie that Fitch's win over Wilson put him next in line for a title shot.
I'm happy with that but know that lots of the Karo fans are gonna be upset that he got jumped by Fitch. Personally i think that fitch & karo should fight for the next shot but that would take too long to sort out considering Fitch just fought & karo will be in a month.
anyone happy or mad about this?
disturbed_fighter
3/3/08 11:26:42AM
personaly i dont think dana cares much for either guys. they just keep winnin. dana doesnt giv the guys that desreve respect, respect
ToeZup
3/3/08 11:30:13AM
Fitch deserves it. How many more fighters does he have to beat?
I think Karo will get his shot after that.
exonerated
3/3/08 11:32:33AM
Well, I do agree with you that both of them are deserving of title shots. However, as you also mentioned having them fight to see who gets the shot would mean that there would not be another title defense after GSPvsSerra for around 8 months.

In short, I'm glad he is getting the next shot!
ufcboss
3/3/08 11:35:42AM
I hope it aint 8 months, If Serra wins maybe, But GSP will want to defend against Fitch asap.
exonerated
3/3/08 11:40:39AM

Posted by disturbed_fighter

personaly i dont think dana cares much for either guys. they just keep winnin. dana doesnt giv the guys that desreve respect, respect


I don't really think thats it. From the article the TS mentioned;

"This kid, in my opinion ... he has the Chuck Liddell mentality," said UFC president Dana White, referring to the UFC's iconic superstar. "This kid will fight anyone, anywhere ... He's definitely paid his dues.

With the love Dana White has for Chuck, I would consider that comment very respectful of Fitch. I think people overlook how stacked UFC's WW division is. Directly from MMAWeeklys rankings...


#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Georges St. Pierre

2. Matt Serra

3. Matt Hughes

4. Jon Fitch

5. Josh Koscheck

6. Karo Parisyan

7. Jake Shields

8. Diego Sanchez

9. Carlos Condit

10. Marcus Davis

That means 8/10 top 10 guys are all active in UFC. Pretty stacked competition IMO!
Franklinfan47
3/3/08 11:45:32AM
Jon Fitch deserves it, it makes the most sense after Serra-GSP. GSP fights Fitch, then Serra can fight Hughes.
loonytnt
3/3/08 11:50:21AM
fitch fights for the title = good imo, karo gets one more one he can try and fight for it i would have to say. hughes #3? imo i would put him lower
imanidiot777
3/3/08 12:36:58PM
Fitch should definitely get the next shot, if Karo loses on the fight night in April then he shouldn't be after Fitch, Koscheck vs. Sanchez again and let one of them fight Matt Hughes, or some combination of those fights to decide the next in line.

Also should consider bringing Condit to the UFC if possible and give him a fight or two and a title shot if he does well.
gartface
3/3/08 12:41:08PM
Congrats, I think that if Karo beats Thiago Alves (which he will by 2nd round armbar/kimura, haven't made up my mind), he'll get the next shot.

Still a little surprised to see that they have Kos ahead of Karo and Jake Shields.
mrliquid
3/3/08 12:43:08PM
Depending on who wins Serra/GSP I think Serra would be better matched up against Karo and Fitch would be a better fight for GSP I thought Karo should have won by decision in his fight against GSP so it would be a nice rematch to see but style wise it would be a more exciting fight to see Karo/Serra or Fitch/GSP but both guys definately deserve a title shot they have been around awhile both have some nice wins and both very talented guys I would probably go with a Karo vs Fitch fight first to see who fights the winner of GSP vs Serra if I was Dana though just for the fans.
DCRage
3/3/08 12:45:48PM

Posted by ufcboss

I hope it aint 8 months, If Serra wins maybe, But GSP will want to defend against Fitch asap.


I'm thinking 4-5 months between Serra-GSP in April, so my guess as for when it'll happen, at the earliest, is August. Which could put it at UFC 87, it could be a double main event with Coleman-Lesnar.
imanidiot777
3/3/08 12:46:21PM

Posted by DCRage


Posted by ufcboss

I hope it aint 8 months, If Serra wins maybe, But GSP will want to defend against Fitch asap.


I'm thinking 4-5 months between Serra-GSP in April, so my guess as for when it'll happen, at the earliest, is August. Which could put it at UFC 87, it could be a double main event with Coleman-Lesnar.



Isn't this also the Rampage vs. Forrest event or no?
ohiostate1016
3/3/08 1:33:53PM
Before that performance, Fitch definitely deserved a title shot. But after he couldn't finish Wilson, I'm not sure anymore. I am a big Fitch fan, but I don't know if he deserves it over Karo. Really, though, it doesn't matter. Either guy would lose to GSP.

Fitch vs. GSP - Fitch is a wrestler, and GSP outwrestled the best 170-pound wrestler ever when he beat Hughes last December.

Karo vs. GSP - GSP already beat him once, and although Karo has gotten better since that fight, he is still nowhere near the caliber of a GSP.

Fitch vs. Serra - Fitch might be able to overpower Serra, but Matt would try to keep it standing and would most likely KO Fitch.

Karo vs. Serra - Now this would be a good fight. If Karo wins and Serra loses (both are likely to happen), I'd like to see this. I can't really tell you at this point who would win though.
saemskin
3/3/08 1:56:27PM


#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Georges St. Pierre

2. Matt Serra
3. Matt Hughes
4. Jon Fitch
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Karo Parisyan
7. Jake Shields
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Carlos Condit
10. Marcus Davis



It's interesting to see all the names on paper like that, because I was going to ask where Matt Hughes is in all that. I see his ranking, but more importantly, where is his heart/head at in all this?

I can't see Josh koscheck being above Karo in the rankings. Matter of fact, I think that would be a great matchup. I love a good grappling match ala Sanchez vs Diaz and Parisyan vs. Sanchez. Man those were ground WARS.

From the other thread, I see that alot of you dont have much respect for Carlos Condit. He is very young and very talented. I think he could go far in the UFC and I'm really excited to see him fight in a promotion that offers a higher class of fighters than the WEC because he was running through their WW division man.

Why can I not picture Jake Shields? If that's the case he probably doesnt deserve the rank he has. Higher than diego? Dunno about that. Maybe they should fight to see?

In short, I love the WW division right now. I'm seeing 9/10 amazing fighters who could any one of them hold the belt on any given day.
wolfman
3/3/08 2:03:48PM

Posted by ohiostate1016

Before that performance, Fitch definitely deserved a title shot. But after he couldn't finish Wilson, I'm not sure anymore. I am a big Fitch fan, but I don't know if he deserves it over Karo. Really, though, it doesn't matter. Either guy would lose to GSP.




I still think he deserves it, at least he has been finishing guys in the UFC. Don't take this the wrong way, no doubt Karo is also deserving of the title and is a great fighter. I just feel one slightly bad showing should not mean that he is not deserving of the title anymore. Remember, out of Chris's four losses, he has only been finished once and that was to Nick Thompson nearly two years ago.

Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your opening statement that Fitch doesn't deserve a title shot. Wilson was clearly a game fighter and he matched up well with Fitch, it was clear after the first round the only way he was going to beat Wilson that night was by taking it to the score cards. I thought it was impressive how he came back from a lackluster 1st round and dominated the next two. Not the most impressive performance, but he won and beat a very competitive fighter.
billycarnage
3/3/08 2:14:03PM
Wilson really exploited Fitches stand up game in round one which leads me to believe GSP is gonna destroy him.
Fitch vs. GSP is the fight everyone wants to see.
Forget Karo. Burkman, Ficket, Chonan... none of those names scream title shot. Put him up against hughes or even koschek than we'll talk. He'll probably end up duckin'em just like he did Fitch.
jiujitsufreak74
3/3/08 2:29:20PM
well Karo is going to be out of the picture in about a month after Alves KOs him so it won't be too much of a problem

anyway i think that Fitch does in fact deserve it more than Karo. since losing to Diego Karo has defeated Burkman, Chonan and Fickett all by Unanimous Decisions. of those victories i would say the highest ranked WW is Burkman. Fitch has consecutive wins over Larson, Burkman (the best name on Karo's list of late), Alves (who Karo is facing next), Hironaka, Carneiro, Diego (who beat Karo) and now Wilson. despite popular belief, Fitch has beaten better competition then Karo and is on a longer winning streak. i think the Diego factor alone means that Fitch is more deserving of a shot then Karo. Now i would have liked it if Fitch got his title shot off of a better known opponent but i still think he deserves a shot more than Karo right now. Karo asked "who is Jon Fitch?" i reply, "the person who is more deserving of a title shot then you."
wolfman
3/3/08 2:41:26PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

well Karo is going to be out of the picture in about a month after Alves KOs him so it won't be too much of a problem

anyway i think that Fitch does in fact deserve it more than Karo. since losing to Diego Karo has defeated Burkman, Chonan and Fickett all by Unanimous Decisions. of those victories i would say the highest ranked WW is Burkman. Fitch has consecutive wins over Larson, Burkman (the best name on Karo's list of late), Alves (who Karo is facing next), Hironaka, Carneiro, Diego (who beat Karo) and now Wilson. despite popular belief, Fitch has beaten better competition then Karo and is on a longer winning streak. i think the Diego factor alone means that Fitch is more deserving of a shot then Karo. Now i would have liked it if Fitch got his title shot off of a better known opponent but i still think he deserves a shot more than Karo right now. Karo asked "who is Jon Fitch?" i reply, "the person who is more deserving of a title shot then you."



Well said, I'd prop you, but the dreaded love fairy got me.

EDIT: I still am not sure if Thiago is going to beat Karo though. My first extinct was that he was going to TKO Karo, now I am unsure. It's going to be a hard pick for me to make.
mrliquid
3/3/08 4:37:45PM
I would like to see some kind of link to where Karo was ducking Fitch from what i hear Dana never offered the fight to Karo or his camp the whole ducking thing was just rumors from both camps talking shit about eachother Karo was fighting guys 2 times his size with alot more skill when he was a teenager I dont really see the guy ducking anyone but I think Fitch is the shit I would love to see him get a title shot Karo should have first crack at him though after that.
prozacnation1978
3/3/08 4:50:14PM
remember you also have marcus davis in the mix, i see the fight happening in sept aug will be coleman fight and heavyweight championship in july will be rampage vs forrest,
i am glad fitch will get his chance, i see him fighting and beating serra but losing to gsp. remember a co main event in the fall will be a serra vs hughes match if serra loses in april
billycarnage
3/3/08 5:18:57PM

Posted by mrliquid

I would like to see some kind of link to where Karo was ducking Fitch from what i hear Dana never offered the fight to Karo or his camp the whole ducking thing was just rumors from both camps talking shit about eachother Karo was fighting guys 2 times his size with alot more skill when he was a teenager I dont really see the guy ducking anyone but I think Fitch is the shit I would love to see him get a title shot Karo should have first crack at him though after that.


He isn't turning anything down but he doesn't have a champion mentallity. Fitch wants the toughest, Karo wants whoever he thinks he can beat. I can't respect that.

This is the quote:
“People are talking about that [a fight with Jon Fitch], I don’t know. The deal is I think I already have a title shot if I want to wait. If I wait I can get my title shot I guess in six or seven months from now, which is a long time away, and I don’t want to mess up my plans of getting my title shot. Now I would love to fight Jon Fitch, but if I fight him and god forbid something goes wrong and I lose that fight it puts me all the way back down again and I have to work back up for a title fight. So if I am guaranteed a title fight now, I’ll take the title fight or if I don’t want to wait such a long time I’ll take another opponent who I have a more ‘guaranteed’ win over. I still think I can beat Jon Fitch – Jon’s a very tough guy, but I think that if I am in shape that I can beat him eight out of 10 times. But at this point I don’t want to jeopardize anything leading up to my title fight, so we’ll see what the UFC will offer and what I will take.”

This is the link:
http://mmamania.com/2007/11/30/karo-parisyan-i-think-i-already-have-a-title-shot-if-i-want-to-wait/
RampageOwnedYou
3/3/08 5:25:22PM
Fitch = Title fight for beating Wilson

ROFLMAO

This guy dont deserve crap, he looked like crap in his win...boring fight, and could barely beat a avg opp.
Dana White needs to step up and give these guys some real competition before giving them a title shot.
wolfman
3/3/08 6:02:59PM

Posted by RampageOwnedYou

Fitch = Title fight for beating Wilson

ROFLMAO

This guy dont deserve crap, he looked like crap in his win...boring fight, and could barely beat a avg opp.
Dana White needs to step up and give these guys some real competition before giving them a title shot.



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NatedawgThaM
3/3/08 6:04:54PM

Posted by RampageOwnedYou

Fitch = Title fight for beating Wilson

ROFLMAO

This guy dont deserve crap, he looked like crap in his win...boring fight, and could barely beat a avg opp.
Dana White needs to step up and give these guys some real competition before giving them a title shot.



Wow, why don't you take a second and look at his record and all the opponents he has beaten before you say something so ridiculous. If you made a list of the people he's beaten, it's the who's who of the WW division.

I think it's funny, everybody wants to hate on Fitch for that fight and ignore everything else and everybody else the man has destroyed. That was his worst performance by far in the UFC but he still dominated rounds 2 and 3 and won round 1. Look back at GSP's worst performance and it was against Serra who knocked him the fudge out.

You got to give Fitch credit for actually taking the fight seriously. Unlike GSP who fights for fame and wanting to be the greatest of all time. Fitch fights because he loves to fight and wants to fight the toughest guys. IMO He has done more to be considered the #1 WW in the world then GSP has. GSP can't even defend the title and there's no guarantee he'll even beat Serra the second time around.

Fitch is the real deal.
mrliquid
3/3/08 6:22:14PM
Karo has been around alot longer than Fitch and wanting a title shot forever now I dont think he is ducking anything I think he is more playing it safe cause he knows he wont get a title shot anytime soon if he did loose.but for right now i think it should be Fitch fighting the winner of GSP/Serra
jocka
3/5/08 2:28:44PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM


Posted by RampageOwnedYou

Fitch = Title fight for beating Wilson

ROFLMAO

This guy dont deserve crap, he looked like crap in his win...boring fight, and could barely beat a avg opp.
Dana White needs to step up and give these guys some real competition before giving them a title shot.



Wow, why don't you take a second and look at his record and all the opponents he has beaten before you say something so ridiculous. If you made a list of the people he's beaten, it's the who's who of the WW division.

I think it's funny, everybody wants to hate on Fitch for that fight and ignore everything else and everybody else the man has destroyed. That was his worst performance by far in the UFC but he still dominated rounds 2 and 3 and won round 1. Look back at GSP's worst performance and it was against Serra who knocked him the fudge out.

You got to give Fitch credit for actually taking the fight seriously. Unlike GSP who fights for fame and wanting to be the greatest of all time. Fitch fights because he loves to fight and wants to fight the toughest guys. IMO He has done more to be considered the #1 WW in the world then GSP has. GSP can't even defend the title and there's no guarantee he'll even beat Serra the second time around.

Fitch is the real deal.



You have to be sarcastic Fitch being better than GSP lol ok he had some good guys but he never fought a top 5 guy plus his last fight against a first timer was far from impressive unless you like the lay and pary stuff. if i remember correclty gsp did beat Bj, sean sherk, KOS and Hugues twice. His 2 last fights were against 2 top 5 ww ok he did not defend his title sure but at least he is getting a shot at the belt after 2 impressive victories not after beating a nobody.

I can definitly see how Fitch is better than GSP
MFOTHER
3/5/08 2:31:17PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM


Posted by RampageOwnedYou

Fitch = Title fight for beating Wilson

ROFLMAO

This guy dont deserve crap, he looked like crap in his win...boring fight, and could barely beat a avg opp.
Dana White needs to step up and give these guys some real competition before giving them a title shot.



Wow, why don't you take a second and look at his record and all the opponents he has beaten before you say something so ridiculous. If you made a list of the people he's beaten, it's the who's who of the WW division.

I think it's funny, everybody wants to hate on Fitch for that fight and ignore everything else and everybody else the man has destroyed. That was his worst performance by far in the UFC but he still dominated rounds 2 and 3 and won round 1. Look back at GSP's worst performance and it was against Serra who knocked him the fudge out.

You got to give Fitch credit for actually taking the fight seriously. Unlike GSP who fights for fame and wanting to be the greatest of all time. Fitch fights because he loves to fight and wants to fight the toughest guys. IMO He has done more to be considered the #1 WW in the world then GSP has. GSP can't even defend the title and there's no guarantee he'll even beat Serra the second time around.

Fitch is the real deal.



ok so i made fitch's list.......UFC WINS
Win Chris Wilson
Win Diego Sanchez
Win Roan Carneiro
Win Luigi Fioravanti
Win Kuniyoshi Hironaka
Win Thiago Alves
Win Josh Burkman
Win Brock Larson
those are good contenders (alves,burkman, sanchez etc.) but a who's who? of the welterweight division?
i would say the who's who of the division are the top ten ranked fighters......he only has a win over one of those. sanchez
now gsp: hughes (2) , Josh Koscheck, serra, karo. thats four of the top six! the other two are himself and fitch.
Its cool if you want to defend fitch (noone can deny he is a great fighter) but why try and drag GSP through the mud to do it?
fights for fame? i dont see that.
i hope we do see a GSP fitch match just to end the debate, but even if serra wins, i dont think fitch will hold the WW belt. (at least not this year.)
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