Might get fired from my job. :-(

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SpiderSilva
1/11/13 9:31:00PM
So I've been a member of management for 9 years.

So lat week our schedule said I had Mon,Wed, and Sun off well my boss started accusing me of no call no showing my Wed shift. Now I'm the type of employee that never misses work. Shit I pretty much have to be in the hospital to miss. Now all of a sudden I'm getting accused of this. He was a real ass so instead of arguing I said what ever and left the room. 5 mins later I came back and apologized for my walking out angry and said it wasn't something that has ever happened in my entire working career. He says I don't want to hear excuses. Or as a manager I shouldn't act like that. So fine We moved forward.

This all happened this Mon.


So today My old boss who was a complete lying bitch comes in and with 9 mins left at the end of my shift I get bombarded from both of them with I have an attitude problem and I shouldn't be a member of management for the way I acted. She then lies about some paperwork that was wrong even though she wanted it completed the wrong way. So to prove me wrong she looks for paperwork that didn't excisist. Now back to my boss who keeps giving me this evil eye/mad dogging look. Then says I make bad decisions because I okay'd a return and we lost $20. Now it goes from me having an attitude problem to I make too many wrong decisions. Now he says I will no longer be a member of management and I will be an associate. I refused so he pulls out a resignation
and says here is your other option. I refused that one too. So I get asked about me wanted to transfer or step down. I have been thinking aboutit for some time because I've been stuck in the same fucking store for 4 years and haven't been allowed to move. Well then I get told if I step down to a lower management position I will be doing the same job as I currently am. Well then I get thrown with the same options and was accused of being a problem and not allowed to transfer. So I refused to step down and refused to resign. He said I will fail.

Thing is he has only told me I've been doing a good job and any issues he found in our store I have fixed or have scheduled to fix. He brought up performance but could not point out any issues


Please help me realize it's not the end of the world if I get fired. I have hated my job for years but I am pretty depressed

george112
1/11/13 9:40:26PM
Dont know where you work but you need to get in touch with someone higher then your boss. You also need to gather witnesses and maybe gain statements refuting what your bosses have said about you.

george112
1/11/13 9:44:59PM
Also. It's not the end of the world man. . Jobs come and go. You'll land a better one a more FUN one. That is of course if you really want it. put your mind to it .you'll get it
emfleek
1/11/13 9:46:23PM
Use it as your motivation to better your situation. No one wants to work for a douchebag. F 'em.

SpiderSilva
1/11/13 9:47:48PM

Posted by george112

Dont know where you work but you need to get in touch with someone higher then your boss. You also need to gather witnesses and maybe gain statements refuting what your bosses have said about you.





I was thinking this and to HR. I now feel like he pretty much wants to fire me. He said I will fail wouldn't even let me be my position. I didn't even know that was possible.
george112
1/11/13 10:16:13PM

Posted by SpiderSilva


Posted by george112

Dont know where you work but you need to get in touch with someone higher then your boss. You also need to gather witnesses and maybe gain statements refuting what your bosses have said about you.





I was thinking this and to HR. I now feel like he pretty much wants to fire me. He said I will fail wouldn't even let me be my position. I didn't even know that was possible.



Go to HR. Lay the facts and explain the situation your being put in. A transfer is highly possible going through HR. Matter of fact I thought that's where you needed to go to get a transfer atleast from my experience at home depot and academy. HR will help you and if they don't contact corporate HR
scoozna
1/11/13 10:25:01PM
1. Sometimes HR is not your friend, not on your side, and not going to help you. I'd say try them if you willing to take some risk.
2. It sounds like you work with a really low quality group of people (at least at the management level). I'd recommend taking inventory of your experience, past responsibilities and achievements and consider where else you might be able to apply yourself. Then maybe line up some opportunities/interviews. See what's out there, see if you can move up in the world to something better.

Don't stagnate. Keep re-evaluating yourself, your value, and where you want to go.
kopower
1/11/13 10:29:40PM
I'd definitely talk to HR, and tell them about the harassment you've been receiving. Maybe look for another job, while you're going through your current bs.
jae_1833
1/11/13 10:45:45PM
Just be careful with HR....if you let them know your looking to do something other than just transfer (new job)and they may just send you packing early.
SpiderSilva
1/11/13 11:00:19PM
nice to know
Michael_Corleone
1/11/13 11:12:57PM
Sounds like you are a marked man. I hate to be prejudice here, but female bosses are THE WORST bosses to work for. I have had bad experiences with females in upper management before as well. My advice for you would be to transfer a.s.a.p. Unless you are tired of working in the field you currently are in, then I would look into doing something else. You have to get out of there. Remember H.R. is not always your friend. There is a lot of political bullshit the higher you go, and sometimes the harder you try to stand up for yourself, the harder you get fucked in the end. "The nail that sticks out the furthest, is the one that gets hammered down first."





shaneTpain
1/12/13 12:31:22AM
quit that job bro!!!!

pmoney
1/12/13 1:02:09AM
Your friend, now and always is documentation. If you have a copy of the schedule with the days off, that's proof. To me this just sounds like discrimination, as well as creating a hostile work environment.

Write down everything positive you have ever done at and for that company. Helping co-workers, helping customers,problem solving, etc etc. Try and get approximate dates for all events. This helps your side of the story, and further puts the burden of proof on them.

As for the $20 return, sometimes that is the best move. If returning $20 of merchandise satisfies your customer, maybe they will come back to that store with the honest manager (you) who is truly looking out for his customers. Maybe they will make a bigger purchase. Maybe they will tell their friends about what ultimately turned into a positive experience. If your fellow managers can't understand that, maybe it is they who aren't fit for the position.

Now I don't recommend this..... I know you have a family.... but I'd compile my defense and say "Hey, I like you guys, I like the company.... but if you fuck with my hours or threaten my job or fire me, I will sue the fuck out of you". Take that to them or corporate and I would bet they leave you alone. No one likes a lawsuit, let alone the threat of one. And while I don't know CO labor law, I would be willing to bet you are close to a case, if you don't have one already.
pmoney
1/12/13 1:12:29AM
As far as losing your job, I wouldn't worry about it. I know it is easier said than done, but they are bullying you at that job. Let them know you won't take that shit. You got to do what's best for you and your family. If they don't leave you alone, threaten a suit.

If for some reason you did lose that job, your long tenure and management position at one location looks great to prospective employers. File for unemployment and start pounding the pavement. I bet you could find another job before you even start collecting.
jakewalters
1/12/13 5:01:03AM
Get transgender surgery stat then claim you were harassed because you were transgender. If you don't wanna man up and get your jublees cut off, I guess the other guys have decent advice too
jjeans
1/12/13 5:32:07AM
That sucks man and I'm sorry to hear about it
I am not that business aware, I work but if I have any problems I don't know what I'd do so all I can do is really try cheer you up as it sucks to hear your depressed. Would you want to be transferred or moved or is the current location ideal? I think the PGers bring up some good points. Your supposed to work 8 hours a day, that's 1/3rd of your life working, if you hate your job you need to find something you like, sounds real stupid but there's no point looking back at your life thinking you hated a third of it...

Gonna put my best Stone Cold impression on and say

How about I fly out to wherever the hell you live
What?!
Meet up drink a couple of beers
What?!
Drive round your bosses house
What?!
Meet that little sonofa bitch
What?!
Walk in to his front room
What?!
Let him talk to old stone cold Steve Austin
What?!
Then let the texas rattlesnake take care of business, let me stomp a little mudhole in his white ass. Can I get a hell yeah?
Hell Yeah!
Then I'm gonna walk into his kitchen open his fridge, grab a 6 pack, and we'll drink it standing over his fat ass. And that's the botttttttommmm line. Cause STONE COLD said so.

prozacnation1978
1/12/13 8:51:31AM
Spider.

Last year in Dec I almost got fired. I was a manager for 6 Years. I fixed stores. Made their shrink low and sales high and moved on from store to store. I was one of the best in san Diego. My job decided to respond and believe a lady who only was with the company for three months who was creating a hostile work environment. I been with them 14 fucking years. After all i did for them they were about to throw me out. Anyways. I got demoted. Assured after 6 months probation I would be put as manager. It was rough have to swallow my pride and take it. A year later.
I am back as manager. Took a shit store. Have had their shrink literally cut in half. And are up over average of 1500 dollars in sales a week. This with two less employees and about 50 less hours per week. Am I good at what I do hell ya. I know. That they fucking know that. And if they ever try to threaten me again. Or fire me. Fuck them. I'll get a job somewhere else.

What ever u do don't step down as manager shows sign
Of weakness. If u can take the transfer. Start somewhere fresh. And if u do get demoted just take it prove your worth and they will re promote you again.
airkerma
1/12/13 9:15:27AM
If you can't easily go over their heads, I think I would go for the transfer. It isn't the greatest option but it's a way to keep your job, not work for those same douche lords, and keep your management position. I'm outside the system so I don't personally deal with this but we had a similar situation at my work. Coworker was accused of writing an anonymous letter, though someone was fired 1 week before this letter was received, but they refused to accept that it could be someone else. These clowns then claimed they could properly analyze the handwriting to pin it on my coworker. In the end they wouldn't admit they were wrong and wouldn't show anyone the actual letter. People of their ilk are also in general in HR, so be careful with those pencil pushing know nothing busy bodies. Sorry to hear about this bullshit man.
SpiderSilva
1/12/13 9:17:33AM
Thanks guys I really appreciate the support here.


I was told I would not be transferred because I'm a problem. I will be looking being told I am no longer my position and we will stay till I make a decision. Which I didn't budge. I too have a reputation for fixing stores/training managers/associates that become managers/shrink fixed in 3 different stores. The current store I'm isI was personally asked to come in and open based off my experience. I have never had issues with performance till these 2 managers.
prozacnation1978
1/12/13 9:28:33AM
my last store also i was requested to come
take the demotion usually with a demotion they transfer you either that or if u can talk to your disctrict manager or their boss and request a transfer
Bubbles
1/12/13 11:04:05AM
sounds like a pile of bullshit. I've never had these sort of problems before but the advice here is pretty good. Things will work out for the best
thevoodooninja
1/12/13 11:17:37AM
i wouldn't sweat it man. i would probably do what most have said, request a transfer or get your resume out there. with your experience someone will come calling.

if i was in your position i would have definintly been fired. i dont have much of a filter on my mouth when it comes to a boss acting like their god, and it would have been worse if i had 2 of them ganging up on me. the first question out of my mouth would have been, which 1 of you is going to suck my dick first?


i give you credit for keeping cool, like i said, dont sweat sweat it man, do what you got to do and
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sbulldavid
1/12/13 1:25:38PM
It sounds like you both have a conflict of interest, and parting ways wouldn't be such a bad thing. It also seems that you've put yourself on a pedestal of importance, where you feel that they owe you, even though your just another title to them, I think you were rude and I feel they overreacted, you either lose or get a fresh start so make the most of it.
Chael_Sonnen
1/12/13 2:47:49PM
Management is so 90's - - come over to the dark side - - REAL ESTATE

Side Note, if you eventually decide to leave Real Estate, why not leave in style, in handcuffs

Win-Win Situation
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KungFuMaster
1/14/13 12:36:52AM
I don't have time to write a lengthy response and all I can do is wish you the best.

From my experience, work is a war zone. You literally have to watch your back at all times. Know who you can trust and know whose asses to kiss. The kissing part does tend to mess with your pride but sometimes if you want to get ahead in this world, kissing ass is all you have to do. I've never had to kiss ass but if I had to, I would give a big wet sloppy kiss to make sure he or she remembers me.

I haven't helped you in any way but I hope I at least brought a smile to your face.
warglory
1/14/13 1:39:38PM
Spider - I am a manager for a large medical billing firm, and deal with politics of the workplace everyday. In my experience, when something arises like the situation you are currently dealing with, it's because there is a conflict of interest between the work you do and the strategy your supervisors intend to pursue with the store. As a result, any little thing they find to be unsatisfactory, they HAVE to document and provide to HR. Companies, especially larger ones, are VERY hesitant to fire someone without a clear trail, because of the potential litigation risk for false termination. Trust me, if they had the ability to fire you, you would be gone by now probably, however, that doesn't mean they won't be gunning. My advice would be to have a sit down with your direct bosses and talk it out, and come to a mutual agreement on how to deal with your performance.

If you are contentious, it's going to be very difficult to maintain your job in the long run, because they will come up reasons to can your ass. Have them call off the dogs, and look for a new job.
prozacnation1978
1/14/13 5:53:56PM

Posted by warglory

Spider - I am a manager for a large medical billing firm, and deal with politics of the workplace everyday. In my experience, when something arises like the situation you are currently dealing with, it's because there is a conflict of interest between the work you do and the strategy your supervisors intend to pursue with the store. As a result, any little thing they find to be unsatisfactory, they HAVE to document and provide to HR. Companies, especially larger ones, are VERY hesitant to fire someone without a clear trail, because of the potential litigation risk for false termination. Trust me, if they had the ability to fire you, you would be gone by now probably, however, that doesn't mean they won't be gunning. My advice would be to have a sit down with your direct bosses and talk it out, and come to a mutual agreement on how to deal with your performance.

If you are contentious, it's going to be very difficult to maintain your job in the long run, because they will come up reasons to can your ass. Have them call off the dogs, and look for a new job.



He's right about the firing. I'm in a union so unless they have shit on tape or something my company won't dare do it. A difference of how you do things and what they want will always have conflict even if your way is making more sales or in general a better way
SpiderSilva
1/14/13 6:54:49PM
Had to take a $2.50 pay cut today. Which would be more than if I got promoted back to that position. This made no sense to me the way he tried to pose it was BS when he pulled out the pay scale he first tried to take more but with my years of experience added in I was in the next quartile. Fishy shit nawutimeen? Started the job search on Friday. Calling some former bosses to check for openings. I'm still interested in if it was okay that he wouldn't let me leave till I stepped down. You guys are all awesome. Can't wait to gtfo.
SpiderSilva
1/14/13 6:56:15PM
I would like to thank everyone on this thread.
warglory
1/14/13 10:18:52PM

Posted by SpiderSilva

Had to take a $2.50 pay cut today. Which would be more than if I got promoted back to that position. This made no sense to me the way he tried to pose it was BS when he pulled out the pay scale he first tried to take more but with my years of experience added in I was in the next quartile. Fishy shit nawutimeen? Started the job search on Friday. Calling some former bosses to check for openings. I'm still interested in if it was okay that he wouldn't let me leave till I stepped down. You guys are all awesome. Can't wait to gtfo.



You know what this means? It means he posed the idea of potentially firing you to his bosses, and they blew him off because he didn't have enough evidence. The pay cut is probably the extent of his powers as upper management at the store. I guarantee you he is trying to get you to quit so he doesn't have to go through the hassle. Gotta play politics until you find another job unfortunately. Make sure to keep the peace!
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