Finally...Vindication For Machida Fans

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nickcuc547
2/1/09 2:52:35PM

Posted by fizzle

I really didn't think it was possible for me to become any bigger of a Machida Nut Hugger. UFC 94 should be called "Stands Corrected" for all the haters.



i won't stand corrected, it's a fact that 90% of the fights in his career were boring as ****, I'm not going to call machida an exciting fighter after one exciting win, I'm just not going to do it, I can't ignore his history. Like I said earlier, you guy all sound like mike vick when he had his one decent passing game a year telling the media they can't complain about him not being a good passer anymore.
warglory
2/1/09 3:02:57PM

Posted by nickcuc547


Posted by fizzle

I really didn't think it was possible for me to become any bigger of a Machida Nut Hugger. UFC 94 should be called "Stands Corrected" for all the haters.



i won't stand corrected, it's a fact that 90% of the fights in his career were boring as ****, I'm not going to call machida an exciting fighter after one exciting win, I'm just not going to do it, I can't ignore his history. Like I said earlier, you guy all sound like mike vick when he had his one decent passing game a year telling the media they can't complain about him not being a good passer anymore.



Really, you have seen his fights prior to the UFC? He finished 4 out of 7 matches including a pretty substantial finish over Rich Franklin, brutalized Stephan Bonnar, tooled BJ Penn. I don't see how you can say 90% of his fights are boring.
breakdown5
2/1/09 3:10:03PM
Machida's ko over Silva was the shining bright point for me the entire night. I blew it big time with my picks and was miserable most of the night, but seeing Machida dominate was great. Future lhw champ.
Knockout
2/1/09 3:10:43PM
I was quite surprised at the outcome of this fight.

4:59 of round 1 too.

so ironic that machida gets the only finish of the night
nickcuc547
2/1/09 3:50:04PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by nickcuc547


Posted by fizzle

I really didn't think it was possible for me to become any bigger of a Machida Nut Hugger. UFC 94 should be called "Stands Corrected" for all the haters.



i won't stand corrected, it's a fact that 90% of the fights in his career were boring as ****, I'm not going to call machida an exciting fighter after one exciting win, I'm just not going to do it, I can't ignore his history. Like I said earlier, you guy all sound like mike vick when he had his one decent passing game a year telling the media they can't complain about him not being a good passer anymore.



Really, you have seen his fights prior to the UFC? He finished 4 out of 7 matches including a pretty substantial finish over Rich Franklin, brutalized Stephan Bonnar, tooled BJ Penn. I don't see how you can say 90% of his fights are boring.



i have seen most of his fights including the franklin and bj fights, his fight with rich was good but the vast majority of his fights are boring, yes i was exaggerating with my 90% claim but I was just trying to make a point that just because he has had one exciting fight doesn't make him an exciting fighter. and to be honest with you his fight with rashad, while deserving and even, will probably be a snooze fest as both guys love to use their footwork and counter. I was absolutely impressed with Machida and always have been, I just don't think he has earned the right to be called an exciting fighter. Talented, absolutely, top 5 lhw? without question at the least, but exciting? I'm not quite ready to make that claim, I need to see him do it more often.
Aether
2/1/09 4:00:11PM
I agree that Machida vs Rashad would most likely be incredibly boring because of their styles combined.

As far as the title shot, I know that Dana said he would get it after he won this fight, but it seems like he's now saying that it depends on how Rampage performs against Jardine. If that's the case I'm guessing Rampage will get the shot first because he will probably get a brutal KO over the dean. I thought Rampage should've just gotten his shot instead of fighting Jardine and then Machida would get the next one and this situation would be avoided but oh well.
nickcuc547
2/1/09 4:02:41PM

Posted by Aether

I agree that Machida vs Rashad would most likely be incredibly boring because of their styles combined.

As far as the title shot, I know that Dana said he would get it after he won this fight, but it seems like he's now saying that it depends on how Rampage performs against Jardine. If that's the case I'm guessing Rampage will get the shot first because he will probably get a brutal KO over the dean. I thought Rampage should've just gotten his shot instead of fighting Jardine and then Machida would get the next one and this situation would be avoided but oh well.



agree 100% with everything you said, rashad had to have turned down a fight that early or something, because what they are doing now makes no sense. But to be honest it will probably work out, if machida has one more fight before a title shot he will probably win, i think he beats anybody in the division except for rampage.
HumanTarget
2/1/09 4:11:41PM
Told ya bitches...
mrsmiley
2/1/09 4:53:56PM
I'm glad Machida won.
I picked Thiago,but only because I had already picked Machida on the UFC fantasy game,so I figured I would cover both because it was an extreamely hard choice for me to make.

I hope Machida finaly starts getting the respect he deserves,because he is definently imo,one of the top fighters on the planet today.
deadmanshand
2/1/09 5:42:52PM
I'm a twenty year veteran of several different martial arts and I train others in them. Combined with my background in Forensic Human Behavior Studies I have developed a good eye for technique and attitude. Not that that will sway any of you till you read my perception of the fight last night. Probably not even then. These are my thoughts on Lyoto Machida.

He was god awful. His striking technique is very weak. the only time he takes a shot a someone is when they over extend themselves. I watched last nights fight several times and that was ninety percent of his strikes. He holds his head up and his hands down. His continual backwards movement steals the power from his blows. Only his kicks were truly decent. His accuracy left a lot to be desired. As any decent striker should have been able to put Silva to sleep within the first two minutes. Their was very little head movement utilized and his footwork is sloppy.

On the ground he seemed unable to take advantage of Silva's weakness. Rocked and wounded he still didn't finish him. He had his back at one point and held on to his waist doing nothing simply allowing him to stand up. The winning punch was a good one though as was his trips.

And one more thing did you see how heavily Lyoto was breathing by the end of that round? He was close to gassing. He was mouth open gulping in air.

Psychologically he doesn't have that killer instinct. After looking at most of his other fights in the last few hours he rarely goes in for the kill even when his opponent is hurt. He prefers to play this really safe outpointing game that he does. Even his body language says he doesn't want to take a hit. Did you see him at the weigh ins? He leaned his upper body back away from Thiago and put his arms between the two of them. That is a text book fear defensive response. And I'm not just talking about when they posed for the picture.

After all the hype I had heard about him I expected something more. People keep saying how he is the best of the Light Heavyweight division but I just don't see it. Thiago Silva lost last night. He would have done so against any halfway decent fighter. I was sorely disappointed by Machida.
cheesebeer
2/1/09 8:27:14PM
I have to say I didn't think he would finish him. Very impressive performance. Props to Machida for proving me wrong.
HumanTarget
2/1/09 8:32:24PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I'm a twenty year veteran of several different martial arts and I train others in them. Combined with my background in Forensic Human Behavior Studies I have developed a good eye for technique and attitude. Not that that will sway any of you till you read my perception of the fight last night. Probably not even then. These are my thoughts on Lyoto Machida.

He was god awful. His striking technique is very weak. the only time he takes a shot a someone is when they over extend themselves. I watched last nights fight several times and that was ninety percent of his strikes. He holds his head up and his hands down. His continual backwards movement steals the power from his blows. Only his kicks were truly decent. His accuracy left a lot to be desired. As any decent striker should have been able to put Silva to sleep within the first two minutes. Their was very little head movement utilized and his footwork is sloppy.

On the ground he seemed unable to take advantage of Silva's weakness. Rocked and wounded he still didn't finish him. He had his back at one point and held on to his waist doing nothing simply allowing him to stand up. The winning punch was a good one though as was his trips.

And one more thing did you see how heavily Lyoto was breathing by the end of that round? He was close to gassing. He was mouth open gulping in air.

Psychologically he doesn't have that killer instinct. After looking at most of his other fights in the last few hours he rarely goes in for the kill even when his opponent is hurt. He prefers to play this really safe outpointing game that he does. Even his body language says he doesn't want to take a hit. Did you see him at the weigh ins? He leaned his upper body back away from Thiago and put his arms between the two of them. That is a text book fear defensive response. And I'm not just talking about when they posed for the picture.

After all the hype I had heard about him I expected something more. People keep saying how he is the best of the Light Heavyweight division but I just don't see it. Thiago Silva lost last night. He would have done so against any halfway decent fighter. I was sorely disappointed by Machida.



I understand your "knowledge" and "Forensic Human Behavior Studies" but please. Machida is the number one LHW in this sport. He has beaten everyone put in front of him convincingly. I doubt Lyoto was about to gas. Maybe your just an angry Thiago fan
warglory
2/1/09 9:00:38PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I'm a twenty year veteran of several different martial arts and I train others in them. Combined with my background in Forensic Human Behavior Studies I have developed a good eye for technique and attitude. Not that that will sway any of you till you read my perception of the fight last night. Probably not even then. These are my thoughts on Lyoto Machida.

He was god awful.



Really? In comparison to whom? There are ZERO other successful MMA fighters with as strong a karate base as Machida, and thus far, no one can solve his technique. Name me one karate influence MMA fighter that has better technique than Machida.



His striking technique is very weak. the only time he takes a shot a someone is when they over extend themselves. I watched last nights fight several times and that was ninety percent of his strikes. He holds his head up and his hands down. His continual backwards movement steals the power from his blows. Only his kicks were truly decent. His accuracy left a lot to be desired. As any decent striker should have been able to put Silva to sleep within the first two minutes. Their was very little head movement utilized and his footwork is sloppy.



He knocked Silva on his ass three times, with the last resulting in a bullseye downward punch. Have you actually ever seen Machida fight prior to this? He isn't a boxer, therefore he doesn't maintain a boxer's defense with his hands up, and thus far, he has shown fantastic head and body movement because no one can hit him. Name me one fighter in the division who has better technique at evading strikes than Machida.



On the ground he seemed unable to take advantage of Silva's weakness. Rocked and wounded he still didn't finish him. He had his back at one point and held on to his waist doing nothing simply allowing him to stand up. The winning punch was a good one though as was his trips.



Machida has been training BJJ since he was 15, and has defeated black belts. Have you ever submitted a BJJ black belt? I only ask because you seem to think your opinion is more valid because of your history, yet you don't really seem to know what areas Machida is very proficient in. It's easier said than done submitting or finishing someone in a full contact battle.



And one more thing did you see how heavily Lyoto was breathing by the end of that round? He was close to gassing. He was mouth open gulping in air.



Lyoto wasn't anywhere near gassing. If he was breathing heavy it was because he just finished screaming at the top of his lungs because he finished a guy in a big fight. He went three rounds with Tito, the cardio machine, without suffering as much as a scratch.



Psychologically he doesn't have that killer instinct. After looking at most of his other fights in the last few hours he rarely goes in for the kill even when his opponent is hurt. He prefers to play this really safe outpointing game that he does. Even his body language says he doesn't want to take a hit. Did you see him at the weigh ins? He leaned his upper body back away from Thiago and put his arms between the two of them. That is a text book fear defensive response. And I'm not just talking about when they posed for the picture.



Ask Silva if he thinks Lyoto fights safe and acted scared. It's disrespectful to say any experienced, professional fighter is afraid of getting hit.



After all the hype I had heard about him I expected something more. People keep saying how he is the best of the Light Heavyweight division but I just don't see it. Thiago Silva lost last night. He would have done so against any halfway decent fighter. I was sorely disappointed by Machida.



How can you be disappointed in a guy who has gone 6-0 in the UFC's deepest division and is currently undefeated in MMA at 14-0? How is it possible to be disappointed in him? What do you want him to do, break out nunchucks?

Pookie
2/1/09 10:25:02PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I'm a twenty year veteran of several different martial arts and I train others in them. Combined with my background in Forensic Human Behavior Studies I have developed a good eye for technique and attitude. Not that that will sway any of you till you read my perception of the fight last night. Probably not even then. These are my thoughts on Lyoto Machida.

He was god awful. His striking technique is very weak. the only time he takes a shot a someone is when they over extend themselves. I watched last nights fight several times and that was ninety percent of his strikes. He holds his head up and his hands down. His continual backwards movement steals the power from his blows. Only his kicks were truly decent. His accuracy left a lot to be desired. As any decent striker should have been able to put Silva to sleep within the first two minutes. Their was very little head movement utilized and his footwork is sloppy.

On the ground he seemed unable to take advantage of Silva's weakness. Rocked and wounded he still didn't finish him. He had his back at one point and held on to his waist doing nothing simply allowing him to stand up. The winning punch was a good one though as was his trips.

And one more thing did you see how heavily Lyoto was breathing by the end of that round? He was close to gassing. He was mouth open gulping in air.

Psychologically he doesn't have that killer instinct. After looking at most of his other fights in the last few hours he rarely goes in for the kill even when his opponent is hurt. He prefers to play this really safe outpointing game that he does. Even his body language says he doesn't want to take a hit. Did you see him at the weigh ins? He leaned his upper body back away from Thiago and put his arms between the two of them. That is a text book fear defensive response. And I'm not just talking about when they posed for the picture.

After all the hype I had heard about him I expected something more. People keep saying how he is the best of the Light Heavyweight division but I just don't see it. Thiago Silva lost last night. He would have done so against any halfway decent fighter. I was sorely disappointed by Machida.


Harsh
deadmanshand
2/1/09 10:44:55PM
I did say no one would change their minds. I gave my opinion and people threaten me with banning. Cute. As far as I remember this is my only account here. I made it to post my thoughts. If you guys don't agree fine. I tell you what my experience and education showed me in that fight and...I get threatened with banning. Isn't this forum about sharing one's thoughts on the sport and it's fighters?
gartface
2/1/09 11:33:05PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I'm a twenty year veteran of several different martial arts and I train others in them. Combined with my background in Forensic Human Behavior Studies I have developed a good eye for technique and attitude. Not that that will sway any of you till you read my perception of the fight last night. Probably not even then. These are my thoughts on Lyoto Machida.

He was god awful. His striking technique is very weak. the only time he takes a shot a someone is when they over extend themselves. I watched last nights fight several times and that was ninety percent of his strikes. He holds his head up and his hands down. His continual backwards movement steals the power from his blows. Only his kicks were truly decent. His accuracy left a lot to be desired. As any decent striker should have been able to put Silva to sleep within the first two minutes. Their was very little head movement utilized and his footwork is sloppy.

On the ground he seemed unable to take advantage of Silva's weakness. Rocked and wounded he still didn't finish him. He had his back at one point and held on to his waist doing nothing simply allowing him to stand up. The winning punch was a good one though as was his trips.

And one more thing did you see how heavily Lyoto was breathing by the end of that round? He was close to gassing. He was mouth open gulping in air.

Psychologically he doesn't have that killer instinct. After looking at most of his other fights in the last few hours he rarely goes in for the kill even when his opponent is hurt. He prefers to play this really safe outpointing game that he does. Even his body language says he doesn't want to take a hit. Did you see him at the weigh ins? He leaned his upper body back away from Thiago and put his arms between the two of them. That is a text book fear defensive response. And I'm not just talking about when they posed for the picture.

After all the hype I had heard about him I expected something more. People keep saying how he is the best of the Light Heavyweight division but I just don't see it. Thiago Silva lost last night. He would have done so against any halfway decent fighter. I was sorely disappointed by Machida.


I'll bite my tongue because I have respect for this website and rather enjoy having an account. :-X
Pookie
2/1/09 11:41:07PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I did say no one would change their minds. I gave my opinion and people threaten me with banning. Cute. As far as I remember this is my only account here. I made it to post my thoughts. If you guys don't agree fine. I tell you what my experience and education showed me in that fight and...I get threatened with banning. Isn't this forum about sharing one's thoughts on the sport and it's fighters?



If you are then i totally retract my statement, but nonetheless i dont believe you
Jackelope
2/1/09 11:46:51PM

Posted by deadmanshand

I did say no one would change their minds. I gave my opinion and people threaten me with banning. Cute. As far as I remember this is my only account here. I made it to post my thoughts. If you guys don't agree fine. I tell you what my experience and education showed me in that fight and...I get threatened with banning. Isn't this forum about sharing one's thoughts on the sport and it's fighters?



Everything checks out on this end for you not being a clone account or anything like that. It's very possible that this guy just came across these forums today, saw a topic he felt passionate about, and registered so he could make a comment. I definitely did not agree with your assessment as a veteran martial artist myself, but I appreciate the way you brought your debate about in an intelligent manner.

While I appreciate the members of the site looking out for clone accounts and such I think we should make an effort to show a bit more respect. I'm sure many of us don't agree with him, but I like seeing intelligent debate, and truthfully that is what this site is about and it is what I saw in his argument.



Aether
2/2/09 12:06:40AM
I also strongly disagree with just about everything you said, but as far as I know (I'm not a mod or anything) you really didn't break any rules and no one is going to ban you for expressing an opinion they don't agree with or like. Welcome to the boards.
deadmanshand
2/2/09 12:16:35AM
Thank you guys for a friendly word. I knew my opinions would not be a popular one but I didn't expect quite the reaction I got. My view is different for a lot of reasons but differing povs is not a bad thing. Healthy debate is a good thing. I'm not trying to bash anyone's views. I myself don't believe Machida to be the next big thing. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not. Time will tell.

I'd just like to say that I have read this forum for a while but I never registered before today. I like this forum better than the last one I was part of. That one was more like the Inquisition. If you pointed out any flaws of their favorite fighters they act like you just hit their girlfriend or raped their puppy. It was really stupid.

But I hope to have healthy discussions here and share my thoughts. So nice to be here.
thefyn
2/2/09 10:29:53AM
Great thread. I also feel vindicated for explaining to everyone JUST HOW GOOD Machida really is.

A Machida/Evans fight will be an interesting matchup.

How is this for a drinking game? Yyou have to take a shot every time Machida or Evans head fakes.

You will die.
keith-hackney1
2/2/09 12:12:38PM
Machida is the real deal. By far he is the smartest fighter in this sport. He executes the perfect game plan, wins every round (if he doesn't finish his opponent) puts on a fight, takes no damage at all and has this glow about him that over powers all styles.
People who say he runs away from fighters, or the way they say that he throws fakes that is a cheating way of fighting, my word to you all is "bollox !!"
Anyone who believes this, does not see this fighter for what he is, You'd probably be the same hater who says matt hughes used to lay on his opponent to eek out a decision win, i see hughes's way as an art of over powering all on takers.
Same with Machida, he is quick, he lands affectively every time. Makes his opponent feel confident, then he picks them apart with brilliant striking. His trips and kicks are awesome, perfectly executed. The way Machida sets up his strikes is second to none, there is no one in the UFC that will stop him. Champion time is here. He will beat rashad for sure !!!
gsquat
2/2/09 1:32:15PM
I don't see how anyone could've seen anything different happening. Take a guy who has beaten nobody worth mentioning vs a guy who has beaten several names, and just made one of the UFC's most decorated champions look foolish. I mean c'mon. Were you really that sold on his "cool name" and badass demeanor? There should be absolutely no surprise to how this fight went. This is merely affirmation.
JimiMak
2/2/09 5:39:21PM
I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and say "you're a troll" or "ban" but I do think you don't know what you're talking about, jmho.

Machida is so good at what he does AND he's well rounded. I usually find that TMA guys seem to think that because they spend all of their time perfecting one thing. They see these guys who are so well rounded but haven't usually perfected any of it. They usually tend to think they're far superior but none of those guys have ever done well in mma.

Not saying this is exactly you, but that's what your post reminded me of..

Hope you do find that this is a reasonable board. I think you just started off on the wrong foot/in the wrong forum.

I hope you do keep coming back and are able to be one of the good posters who has intelligent things to say.

My op is that Machida is the present and future of the LHW div.
gsquat
2/2/09 6:08:10PM

Posted by JimiMak

I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and say "you're a troll" or "ban" but I do think you don't know what you're talking about, jmho.

Machida is so good at what he does AND he's well rounded. I usually find that TMA guys seem to think that because they spend all of their time perfecting one thing. They see these guys who are so well rounded but haven't usually perfected any of it. They usually tend to think they're far superior but none of those guys have ever done well in mma.

Not saying this is exactly you, but that's what your post reminded me of..

Hope you do find that this is a reasonable board. I think you just started off on the wrong foot/in the wrong forum.

I hope you do keep coming back and are able to be one of the good posters who has intelligent things to say.

My op is that Machida is the present and future of the LHW div.

If this is directed towards me then it doesn't make any sense. I agree with everything about Machida and calling me a troll makes even less sense.
bls1919
2/2/09 7:12:42PM
Sorry Deadans hand but I think your totaly utterly embaressingly wrong. Machida has some of the best feints I have seen and the reason he only strikes when his opponent is out of position/overextended is because that is a very sound way of hitting/KOing somone. There is no reason to go in flailing throwing recklesly.
Jackelope
2/2/09 7:41:08PM

Posted by gsquat


Posted by JimiMak

I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and say "you're a troll" or "ban" but I do think you don't know what you're talking about, jmho.

Machida is so good at what he does AND he's well rounded. I usually find that TMA guys seem to think that because they spend all of their time perfecting one thing. They see these guys who are so well rounded but haven't usually perfected any of it. They usually tend to think they're far superior but none of those guys have ever done well in mma.

Not saying this is exactly you, but that's what your post reminded me of..

Hope you do find that this is a reasonable board. I think you just started off on the wrong foot/in the wrong forum.

I hope you do keep coming back and are able to be one of the good posters who has intelligent things to say.

My op is that Machida is the present and future of the LHW div.

If this is directed towards me then it doesn't make any sense. I agree with everything about Machida and calling me a troll makes even less sense.



Pretty sure he was addressing Deadmanshand, bro
BlueSkiesBurn
2/2/09 10:56:45PM
Wow, it's been a long time for me. School took over. But, I have come out of hiding to say this; I have been a Machida nuthugger for about as long as I can remember. The outcome of this fight did not surprise me in the least. In fact, it went down exactly like I thought it would. Silva's aggressive style would get him knocked out. Machida game plans extremely well. The whole debate of Machida running from opponents factored in to his game plan. If I recall correctly there was a forum on here stating that "if Machida runs, I'll go after him" Yeah, that worked out well. It didn't appear to me that Machida runs from his opponents when he pounced on Silva knocking him out at the end of the round. His lateral movement is second to none. You know, it's funny to me, I've been reading old posts about Machida on this site and other forums. The so called experts have opined the following thoughts.

1. There is no way that Rashad Evans can stand with Chuck, Chuck will utilize his superior wrestling to stuff Evans take down attempts and then knock him out standing.

2. Forrest doesn't have the skill set to beat Rampage and Rampage will exploit him and knock him out.

3. Lyoto Machida would not fair well against an aggressive striker like Thiago Silva or Wanderlei Silva and would get exposed or knocked out.

Do we see anything in common with all three of these statements? Not only were they horrifically wrong, the exact opposite of what was predicted happened. I mean, here's the honest truth. We don't know anything. We havent' seen a chink in Lyoto's armor. He's shown no weakness, never lost a round and has received less punishment overall than any other fighter. I don't believe Machida looked winded at all, I don't believe he was sucking air. it's his style and what works. I've seen Kobe sucking air before in a game that he scored 81 points, it didn't seem to slow him down, did it? Machida is gift to MMA, we are seeing the evolution of fighting when The Dragon steps into the octagon. He's won every single way imaginable. Via knockout, Submission and by Decision. His career shortlist is better than most MMA fighters will ever achieve, even if they were against smaller fighters. I think we should just appreciate what he does and if someone does expose Lyoto, we will have something to talk about, as of yet, it hasn't happened.


War Machida
NatedawgThaM
2/3/09 8:02:20AM
Damn, yeah I got shut the heck up. Thiago's got a suspect chin

But he wouldn't let his hands go. Test Machida's chin! You gotta keep busy if your gonna be the aggressor against machida. Rampage I think could do that and has all the tools to put up a good fight as long as he checks the kicks. But Rashad has a solid chance too but would be a dull fight but I think machida be more busy me win.

Machida will probably be champ by the end of the year unless Rampage can catch him or Rashad maybe.
gsquat
2/3/09 11:09:32AM

Posted by Jackelope


Posted by gsquat


Posted by JimiMak

I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and say "you're a troll" or "ban" but I do think you don't know what you're talking about, jmho.

Machida is so good at what he does AND he's well rounded. I usually find that TMA guys seem to think that because they spend all of their time perfecting one thing. They see these guys who are so well rounded but haven't usually perfected any of it. They usually tend to think they're far superior but none of those guys have ever done well in mma.

Not saying this is exactly you, but that's what your post reminded me of..

Hope you do find that this is a reasonable board. I think you just started off on the wrong foot/in the wrong forum.

I hope you do keep coming back and are able to be one of the good posters who has intelligent things to say.

My op is that Machida is the present and future of the LHW div.

If this is directed towards me then it doesn't make any sense. I agree with everything about Machida and calling me a troll makes even less sense.



Pretty sure he was addressing Deadmanshand, bro

Seemed inappropriate. It was immediately after mine with no quote, thus the confusion.
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