FightSport Mag's "5 to beat Fedor"

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cowcatcher
7/25/07 11:12:19AM

Posted by metal_mecca43

its gonna be a no name who gets him... imo.. someone he underestimates



fedor will never fight a no name, even if he retires and comes back 7 times he'll only fight guys that are established
Mastodon2
7/25/07 11:17:59AM

Posted by cowcatcher


have any other people that have been on here awhile noticed the surging number of posters that are new here and seemingly pretty green to mma?



I have noticed too, but welcome them, we were all new to this MMA thing once, we all had to start learning somewhere. As long as they refrain from Sherdog white belt style posting, its cool that they are here, its a sign that MMA is growing
cowcatcher
7/25/07 11:22:05AM

Posted by Mastodon2


Posted by cowcatcher


have any other people that have been on here awhile noticed the surging number of posters that are new here and seemingly pretty green to mma?



I have noticed too, but welcome them, we were all new to this MMA thing once, we all had to start learning somewhere. As long as they refrain from Sherdog white belt style posting, its cool that they are here, its a sign that MMA is growing



notice i removed that part in an edit, i didnt want to come off as a jerk, but man....it's getting hard not to flame
thepunisher
7/25/07 11:30:50AM
sometimes it just so hard to stop from flaming someone
LR
7/25/07 11:56:57AM
1. Randy Cotoure
2. Josh Barnett
3. Antonio Silva
4. Gaberiel Gonzaga
5. Brock Lesnar

This list is pretty bad. I mean, we can sit here and say that in MMA, anything can happen, but statistically, Gonzaga is the only one who hasn't had a defining loss to support him not being on the list. But, look at it statistically for a moment, or even just looking at both styles.

Couture is too small to take Fedor. He isn't the biggest fighter, but he is an excellent wrestler, but as we know, Fedor has taken on many great wrestlers and always won. Remarkably, he beat Coleman without ever really taking a hit at all during the entire fight. Couture's record isn't even that impressive, but he is a very good champion to the UFC and definitely their ambassador. Randy is also very susceptible to submissions and has been KO'd by Liddell twice. Fedor is a freak of nature. A lot of critics say his standup is suspect, however, Fedor outstruck CroCop in their matchup. The first round, CroCop had a slight edge, but then gassed. Fedor landed way more punches and proved his standup is very good and his defense was phenomenol when standing.

Barnett is somewhat of a dark horse. A very skilled submission guy, but he was manhandled by CroCop. Barnett seems to gas fairly fast in some of his fights, and is lazy in the standup game after the 1st round in some of his fights. This is horribly bad for someone fight Fedor. He has terrific defense, and terrific understanding of how he can be submitted, and how quickly he can submit you. I believe Barnett would be the closest fight on that list, but I still think Fedor would do away with him in the 1st round.

Most would think Silva is a wildcard, but he isn't. He lost to Pele, who got dropped hard by Fedor's brother, Aleks. Aleks doesn't have close to the amount of ground game that Fedor has, but he does have a somewhat better "standing" standup game. Fedor likes to lean and drop huge bombs, Aleks is more calm and will stand and play the strategy game during standup. If someone like Silva can't beat an overly out of shape Pele, how will he withstand Fedor? Bad choice.

Gonzaga stands a chance, but only because we haven't seen him really in a pinch yet. The Couture fight will challenge that. If he can beat Couture, he has a legitimate shot at Fedor, but we don't know how much more skill Fedor is compared to UFC heavyweights, he may be in a whole different class, in which Gonzaga will get thrashed. Gonzaga has the BJJ background to defend against Fedor, but as we've seen, Fedor has taken down a lot of good BJJ fighters via Submission. It'll be more clear how this may end once Couture/Gonzaga happens.

Brock Lesnar. Give me a break. He's a large guy that looked decent in his debut against a can. He basically smothered the guy. I think Fedor may get underneath him, but as we've seen, he has unbelievably ways of side mounting from in guard, ie. Randleman fight. I think this would be over easily 1st round via submission. Lesnar has some skill, but he needs to learn some type of sumbission defense.
MMA
7/25/07 1:12:24PM
Arlovski should replace Lesnar. Brock is just too green to handle Fedor, he'd get submitted in the 1st round. At least with Arlovski, he has that dynamite one punch KO and he has a competent ground game.

Man, if Arlovski went back to his werewolf form, even Fedor would have trouble!
BigTomZ
7/25/07 2:56:47PM
Lesnar has tremendous physical abilities, but he needs more fights to prove himself and get some experience.

The only person I could see beating Fedor is Couture. He could study Fedor and break his game down and find a way to win. I still wouldn't bet on Couture though.
pv3Hpv3p
7/25/07 2:57:09PM
I have to agree with an earlier post, that Junior Silva could conceivably pose a threat to Fedor... In a year or two...

He's extremely agile for a guy as huge as he is, obviously strong, and has a well rounded fight game...

Don't write this guy off after the controversial loss to Pele (early stoppage IMO), he KO'd Cabbage with relative ease, and while Cabbage may not be the greatest fighter, AA and BigTim couldn't KO him, and there's something to be said about that...

Out of that list, I would honestly think that he has the best chance...

After hearing about Matt Hughes "subbing Brock at will" when he was training with MFS, I wouldn't think he'd stand a chance with a guy like Fedor.
Gonzaga is going to have his hands full with Randy, so I'll have to reserve judgement until then
Barney, I'm just not convinced could pull it off... No real logic behind it, just don't see it happening
LR
7/25/07 4:31:16PM
He KO'd Cabbage, one of the worst fighters that the UFC had for awhile. He literally absorbed punches on his face for round after round. It doesn't matter if he has the power to actually KO Cabbage, he was literally bitchslapped by both Sylvia and Arvloski.

I will agree that the Pele fight was somewhat premature as far as the stoppage goes, I'd have to see more from Silva.

But, with that said, I've heard that Fedor's camp already has a guy up and coming that is pretty dominant himself. His trainers are saying he is as dominant as Fedor, so it'll be interesting to see what the Red Devil Camp starts putting out into the MMA world. Some of these upcoming UFC fighters may have their hands full.
cowcatcher
7/25/07 4:35:46PM

Posted by LR

He KO'd Cabbage, one of the worst fighters that the UFC had for awhile. He literally absorbed punches on his face for round after round. It doesn't matter if he has the power to actually KO Cabbage, he was literally bitchslapped by both Sylvia and Arvloski.

I will agree that the Pele fight was somewhat premature as far as the stoppage goes, I'd have to see more from Silva.

But, with that said, I've heard that Fedor's camp already has a guy up and coming that is pretty dominant himself. His trainers are saying he is as dominant as Fedor, so it'll be interesting to see what the Red Devil Camp starts putting out into the MMA world. Some of these upcoming UFC fighters may have their hands full.



im guessing youre talking about the 18 year old kid that the 3 part article mentioned kirill sidelnikov. apparently he isnt going to be fighting full time yet because the crew at red devil doesnt think hes ready yet. also, they never said he was as dominant as fedor, just that hes drawn comparisons to him.....no one is as dominant as fedor come on man.
LR
7/25/07 4:41:39PM
Wow, thanks for the wording clinic. Yes, I meant to say that he resembled Fedor. I haven't personally seen him fight, but it'd be worthwhile to see how he fights in comparison to Fedor.

What's impressive to me is that if new fighters out of Russia use the standup skills that Fedor has used, we may see Russian fighters begin to dominate the sport. I watched the CroCop vs Fedor fight again the other night, and it's evident in the fight that CroCop had one or two good flurries, then Fedor basically dropped huge haymakers on CroCop at will, and usually landed one during each rush he made. He wasn't trying to stand with CroCop either. He'd stay away and then rush in with a flurry of punches to avoid getting kicked. A very smart standup game. It's amazing he considers it his weaker attribute, but then again, his Sambo is world champion class.
Piccosaur
7/25/07 5:09:26PM
I'd say Gonzaga has the best chance technique wise, but Barnett or Randy may be able to just control Fedor for a win. I can only picture them three or Cro-Cop beating Fedor.
Believe-in-judo81
7/25/07 10:39:46PM
Gonzaga is definitely a future threat and one of the guys who will be a face in that division in the years to come. Other than him the only man I ever saw posing a threat to him was Pawel Nastula. And to be honest, he would have had to start training for MMA much earlier and be MUCH less shopworn than he is now. No disrespect to P Nasty, he was a hero of mine as a kid, but he's just to old and beat up, I'm glad he retired, hopefully for good. ( But he's STILL the man, and would have ruled MMA like no other had he not stuck with Judo)
LR
7/26/07 9:59:43AM
Can anyone remember off hand a fight where Fedor got controlled? I don't think he's ever been controlled. He was somewhat in lockdown against Randleman until the suplex, then reversed to side mount, but I haven't seen a fight where he was ever completely controlled. So how is Randy or Barnett going to do that? Randy is too small to control Fedor. Barnett has a shot, but he can't withstand the standup game, and hasn't been impressive on the ground as of late.
cowcatcher
7/26/07 10:14:13AM
fedor isnt all that big, so i dont think hes going to have a huge size advantage over randy should they fight. their skill sets are very close, and in the clinch i think randy might have the striking advantage, although everywhere else i see fedor as better than randy. i think that if they fought it would be one hell of a battle, and randy could eek out a decision, not saying its likely, just that he could do it.
LR
7/26/07 10:17:39AM
I guess maybe I'm the only one who sees Fedor's striking as a non-issue when compared to other strikers. Fedor dominates the standup for two rounds against CroCop, and he's still a crappy striker to some people? Last time I checked, CroCop is one of the best, if not the best striker in MMA. I fail to see how Randy's striking is possibly better.
cowcatcher
7/26/07 10:23:28AM

Posted by LR

I guess maybe I'm the only one who sees Fedor's striking as a non-issue when compared to other strikers. Fedor dominates the standup for two rounds against CroCop, and he's still a crappy striker to some people? Last time I checked, CroCop is one of the best, if not the best striker in MMA. I fail to see how Randy's striking is possibly better.



if you read my post, i said in the clinch randy might have the striking advantage, fedor is better on the feet otherwise, no question. relax, take a deep breath, fedor is still the best in the world bud, no need to get em in a bind.
LR
7/26/07 10:34:41AM
Hmmm... I wasn't getting "in a bind" as you stated. And I understood the post you made. But I guess in a general sense, a lot of fans here consider Fedor's striking to be less prolific as a lot of fighters.

I'm sorry if you thought my comment was toward your comment. I was relating to the Randy comment at the end, but in a general sense, I think a lot of people consider Fedor's striking a downer.
pv3Hpv3p
7/26/07 10:43:55AM

Posted by LR

He KO'd Cabbage, one of the worst fighters that the UFC had for awhile. He literally absorbed punches on his face for round after round. It doesn't matter if he has the power to actually KO Cabbage, he was literally bitchslapped by both Sylvia and Arvloski.



I was really referring to power with my "KO'd Cabbage statement... I know he's not a great fighter, but damn difficult to knockout...


I will agree that the Pele fight was somewhat premature as far as the stoppage goes, I'd have to see more from Silva.

But, with that said, I've heard that Fedor's camp already has a guy up and coming that is pretty dominant himself. His trainers are saying he is as dominant as Fedor, so it'll be interesting to see what the Red Devil Camp starts putting out into the MMA world. Some of these upcoming UFC fighters may have their hands full.



As mentioned you are probably talking about Kiril Sidelnikov, he is definitely an upandcomer, but unfortunately lost his last fight to doctor stoppage after the second (just read about it, don't know the story)... But only being 18, he's got plenty of time to develope...
cowcatcher
7/26/07 10:44:46AM

Posted by LR

Hmmm... I wasn't getting "in a bind" as you stated. And I understood the post you made. But I guess in a general sense, a lot of fans here consider Fedor's striking to be less prolific as a lot of fighters.

I'm sorry if you thought my comment was toward your comment. I was relating to the Randy comment at the end, but in a general sense, I think a lot of people consider Fedor's striking a downer.



ok no sweat, i think some downplay his striking too, but when hes so good on the ground its easy to overlook his stand up.....the guys is great all around though or he wouldnt be the consensus #1
LR
7/26/07 10:51:14AM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by LR

He KO'd Cabbage, one of the worst fighters that the UFC had for awhile. He literally absorbed punches on his face for round after round. It doesn't matter if he has the power to actually KO Cabbage, he was literally bitchslapped by both Sylvia and Arvloski.



I was really referring to power with my "KO'd Cabbage statement... I know he's not a great fighter, but damn difficult to knockout...


I will agree that the Pele fight was somewhat premature as far as the stoppage goes, I'd have to see more from Silva.

But, with that said, I've heard that Fedor's camp already has a guy up and coming that is pretty dominant himself. His trainers are saying he is as dominant as Fedor, so it'll be interesting to see what the Red Devil Camp starts putting out into the MMA world. Some of these upcoming UFC fighters may have their hands full.



As mentioned you are probably talking about Kiril Sidelnikov, he is definitely an upandcomer, but unfortunately lost his last fight to doctor stoppage after the second (just read about it, don't know the story)... But only being 18, he's got plenty of time to develope...



Yeah, I watched a couple vids on Kiril, Not overly impressive, but he was pretty good in the standup for only being 18. It'll be interesting to see him develop.
zephead
7/26/07 4:03:19PM
Fedor isn't a technical striker. Fedor is like Wandy. They can be very wild, relying on their power to do the damage. Fedor doesn't and will never put on a striking clinic like a Anderson Silva. Fedor is going to throw bombs. Kind of like Chuck. They'll come out of nowhere and BOOM, you're down. Igor is the same way
LR
7/26/07 4:23:28PM
He's definitely not a technical striker, but he sure knows how to avoid the counter very well. And the shots he takes make his opponents really think twice about trying to counter as well.
Branwest
8/2/07 1:48:08PM
Damnit.. I knew I shouldn't have gotten so high before writing that article.
Pitbull09
8/2/07 5:23:27PM

Posted by thepunisher

Brock Lensar is a former WWE champion of course he would beat Fedor with ease. The match i really want to see is Hulk Hogan VS Fedor there is no way Fedor could get up from the leg drop [/QUOTE


So I dont understand? Do you think wrestling is real? Brock Lesner is an idiot when it comes to being an athlete. He went from, college wrestling to WWE to NFL to MMA, he has no future in MMA for sure and to say he would beat any the #1 heavyweight in the world?

Hulk Hogan is also an "Actor", no chance. I dont think there would be a atomic leg drop (never would be used in real fighting) since he would be crying on the mat as his arm snapped from a kamura (actual fight move) from Fedor.
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