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POLL: Best BOXER in MMA
Vitor Belfort 23% (15)
Phil Baroni 12% (8)
Andrei Semenov 3% (2)
Pete Spratt 3% (2)
Andrei Arlowski 31% (20)
Butterbean xDDDDD 28% (18)
copox
7/17/07 3:16:38AM

Posted by SteedTheDeed

kharitonov has great boxing technique.


Bingo.
Sergei, Jens and Gomi are my picks.
Mastodon2
7/17/07 8:34:49AM
Im sorry, but the best in MMA atm is Cro Cop; he may not combo or change his range, motion and angles like Nogueira or Kharitanov, but his accuracy and power are the best, and he always uses the right punch for the moment.

The best there has been in MMA though is Jerome Le Banner (yes, he has had MMA fights too!), his punching was so good, he wrecked people in K-1 while hardly throwing any kicks.

Gomi is awesome too mind. But still no Le Banner. Jerome's father was a pro boxer, so I'm sure thats what helped him get really good boxing skills. Jerome has actually had boxing matches too, he won all 4 of them, one by KO, two by TKO and 1 by DQ.
dgonx
7/17/07 9:18:49AM
best boxing skills?

Jeremy Williams
Yosuke Nishijima

easily the best two since they're the two that had fairly successful boxing careers
nubby
7/17/07 11:02:56AM
If AA is so good at boxing why did he lose a boxing match to Tim Sylvia?
cmill21
7/17/07 1:28:59PM
Mirko Cro Cop Filipovic. His amature boxing record was 40-5 with 31 ko's.
Chris_Keppel
7/17/07 2:34:11PM
Quinton Rampage Jackson! In about two years.

But now, I'd say Mirko "Cro Cop" hands down. He's got an amazing left hand.

Or the following get votes for me, since you can't declare somebody "the best" unless they've proven it.

Nate Mohr
The Tokogomi kid
Mark Hunt
Spencer Fisher
Jeff Monson (lmao joking, he does boast a 3-0 boxing record)

Eh, I wouldn't say they are "the best", but they are all good when it comes to a stand up game.
Sam_Rothstein
7/17/07 6:51:23PM

Posted by Chris_Keppel

Quinton Rampage Jackson! In about two years.

But now, I'd say Mirko "Cro Cop" hands down. He's got an amazing left hand.

Or the following get votes for me, since you can't declare somebody "the best" unless they've proven it.

Nate Mohr
The Tokogomi kid
Mark Hunt
Spencer Fisher
Jeff Monson (lmao joking, he does boast a 3-0 boxing record)

Eh, I wouldn't say they are "the best", but they are all good when it comes to a stand up game.




yeah very true rampage jacksons hands will be amazing soon with oscars old trainer and nate mohr has some good hands too, he won the golden gloves out here in iowa
Mastodon2
7/17/07 6:56:25PM

Posted by nubby

If AA is so good at boxing why did he lose a boxing match to Tim Sylvia?



Because he broke his leg in round II and didnt tell his corner because he knew they'd throw in the towel.

Im surprised at the lack of respect for Le Banner's skills ITT, dont people know who he is?
Focker101
7/20/07 7:56:29AM
AA but ya better add Marcus Davis in there too damn good boxer
SteedTheDeed
7/20/07 3:04:51PM

Posted by Focker101

AA but ya better add Marcus Davis in there too damn good boxer

you hear a lot about lil nog for winning the brazilian golden gloves and people call him one of the best boxers but davis won a couple american golden gloves (more prestigious than brazils) and no one says anything about him. I wonder if the brazlians are all over Davis' nuts?
LR
7/20/07 3:20:26PM
Le Banner, he was actually a top notch standup fighter, and has incredible boxing skills. I think Le Banner had a chance at beating Hoost twice if Hoost didn't literally kick his arm off. Le Banner suffered a bad compound fracture.

CroCop is a pretty damn good boxer though, I think he's probably one of the best in MMA. Le Banner fought only 4 professional boxing matches, the rest were K-1, and he did mix in kicks to jockey position, so it doesn't really help his cause being able to do so.

Also, CroCop and Le Banner fought to a decision, but CroCop landed more in the fight.
Mastodon2
7/20/07 6:40:29PM
Le Banner is a phenomenal fighter, but he has bad luck in the GPs

It kinda makes me sad that he never won a GP, because he will never be remembered as a GP winner, the biggest trophy of striking combat, but those who know K-1, know Le Banner is one of the best!
richieb19
7/20/07 6:45:29PM
I don't know how you can compare anyone on that list to Esch, he actually has a 77-7-4 boxing record...
szucconi
7/20/07 6:47:37PM

Posted by richieb19

I don't know how you can compare anyone on that list to Esch, he actually has a 77-7-4 boxing record...



But has had fights thrown. I think that brings the rest of his record into question.
richieb19
7/20/07 7:01:13PM

Posted by szucconi


Posted by richieb19

I don't know how you can compare anyone on that list to Esch, he actually has a 77-7-4 boxing record...



But has had fights thrown. I think that brings the rest of his record into question.

Are you talking about his loss to Mitchell Rose? I've never actually heard of this... either way, as clumsy and slow as he seems, he actually has serious boxing credentials.
richieb19
7/20/07 7:02:31PM

Posted by Mastodon2

Le Banner is a phenomenal fighter...

I couldn't agree more, he actually scares me... I've never done any striking training of any sort, but if/when I start I'd like to try and mimic his style, leading with my power hand.
Mastodon2
7/20/07 7:05:25PM

Posted by richieb19
I couldn't agree more, he actually scares me... I've never done any striking training of any sort, but if/when I start I'd like to try and mimic his style, leading with my power hand.



He learned it by copying Jeet Kune Do fro Bruce Lee movies

I do that too, but only because my left leg is my best kicking leg, for roundhouses, and I have a better Teep (jab kick) with my right foot, but I swtich back to orthodox for a little while, and then back to southpaw, whenever I feel like it. Helps throw my opponents rhythm off, and messes with their targetting.
richieb19
7/20/07 7:08:15PM

Posted by Mastodon2


Posted by richieb19
I couldn't agree more, he actually scares me... I've never done any striking training of any sort, but if/when I start I'd like to try and mimic his style, leading with my power hand.



He learned it by copying Jeet Kune Do fro Bruce Lee movies

I do that too, but only because my left leg is my best kicking leg, for roundhouses, and I have a better Teep (jab kick) with my right foot, but I swtich back to orthodox for a little while, and then back to southpaw, whenever I feel like it. Helps throw my opponents rhythm off, and messes with their targetting.

I never knew that... God I miss Bruce Lee!

It obviously holds disadvantages though as it almost makes you a one-handed puncher if you never switch back to orthodox. But after seeing JLB, it's also easy to see it's advantages... but what do I know, I'm a judo player lol...
Mastodon2
7/20/07 7:12:27PM
Being able to fight comfortably in both stances is optimum, like I say, for me, leading with my right is only to put my left leg into a loaded position so I can deploy with as little delay as possible, but the other advantage is that it gives you a power jab, the thing Bas Rutten raves about it, your lead hand is out up front, so your opponent will shift their guard expecting your rear hand to be holding the power, but then they get hit by your power hand jabs, which hit like a freight train, and they get so confused they can go to pieces if they dont keep a cool head
richieb19
7/20/07 7:17:03PM

Posted by Mastodon2

Being able to fight comfortably in both stances is optimum, like I say, for me, leading with my right is only to put my left leg into a loaded position so I can deploy with as little delay as possible, but the other advantage is that it gives you a power jab, the thing Bas Rutten raves about it, your lead hand is out up front, so your opponent will shift their guard expecting your rear hand to be holding the power, but then they get hit by your power hand jabs, which hit like a freight train, and they get so confused they can go to pieces if they dont keep a cool head

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could also see it extremely useful if you switch it up after landing a cross from orthodox stance and continue with power jabs to push the pace... just the first thing that comes to mind when I think of that style...

Unorthodox styles are always useful in any type of fighting, so long as you can master your own monster... My judo coach has always been hounded for his unorho style, yet he beat the 2 time Olympic medalist Nicholas Gill when the time came.
Mastodon2
7/21/07 3:07:52PM
They can be useful indeed, but you have to think differently when it comes to defense, unless your opponent immediately swtiches his stance to southpaw to match you, if you and your opponents lead legs are meeting at the front, then the body becomes an open target to kicks from the back leg, but while you are exposed, so is he, so you've just got to be able to defend this target better, and attack is better than him.
KYGUY07
11/7/07 8:43:22AM
marcus davis has great boxing
cmill21
11/7/07 1:41:17PM
Bad list so I wen't with Vitor.
fullerene
11/7/07 2:46:24PM
The best boxers are guys who've actually competed in pro boxing, followed by guys who competed as amateurs but never in the pros. That's a general rule that's as fair as saying guys that competed in MMA are better than guys who only competed in kickboxing or sub-grappling who are better than guys who lift weights at the gym.

Based on their records the best boxers to fight in MMA IMO are (in order):


Ray Mercer: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1620&cat=boxer
Tommy Morrison*: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1465&cat=boxer
James Warring: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=466&cat=boxer
Jeremy Williams: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=4763&cat=boxer
Eric Esch (Butterbean): http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=14536&cat=boxer
Melton Bowen: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=5116&cat=boxer
Yosuke Nishijima: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=22476&cat=boxer
Marcus Davis: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=19438&cat=boxer
Chris Lytle: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=121346&cat=boxer
Art Jimerson: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=2044&cat=boxer
Alessio Sakara: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=297539&cat=boxer
Jens Pulver: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=256828&cat=boxer
Jerome Lebanner: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=39471&cat=boxer
Tra Telligman: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=50871&cat=boxer
Ray Sefo: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=32491&cat=boxer
Nick Diaz: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=312079&cat=boxer
Vitor Belfort: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=352247&cat=boxer
Anderson Silva: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=325793&cat=boxer
Mark Hunt: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=58555&cat=boxer
Mighty Mo: http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=16526&cat=boxer

*if you count the MMA fight as real MMA
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