Will Fedor Suffer In The UFC As Well ?

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POLL: Who has the best chance of defeating Fedor in the UFC ?
Randy Couture 69% (59)
Tim Sylvia 4% (3)
Cheick Kongo (Stand-Up War !) 1% (1)
Andrei Arlovski 13% (11)
Brandon Vera 13% (11)
zephead
9/24/07 6:13:12PM

Posted by Mastodon2

Mark Hunt is just an absolute brute, but I fear for him in UFC, the obvious bias towards wrestlers will work against him. Pride's rules and ring made it a more level playing field, which let him work his devastating striking, but I think in UFC he could end up getting taken down and losing fights against LnP specialists. It will be cool if he comes and tanks some guys though, he looks amazing fighting, and is one of the top strikers in MMA easily, he won a K-1 GP, which put him up against striking competition far beyond anything seen in UFC or MMA in general, the only person's striking he needs to worry about is Cro Cop's. It's the wrestling, getting taken down against the cage in an awkward position and having a big wrestler lie on him for 3 rounds that might stop him.

For sure, Randy would need to follow that game plan if he wanted to beat him, if he tried to clinch and dirty box him like he did with Gonzaga he would find himself waking up in hospital getting his jaw snapped back into place!

Hunt vs AA would be a great match up though, I'd love to see that one.



Then that means you also have to train in take down defense. This is the fight game, where you can go to the ground. Because we all now that all UFC fighters do is take you down and then lay on you.

This is a list of UFC fighters he would face:

Andrei Arlovski

11-5

7 (T) KO's 63% of his fights
3 Submissions 27%
1 Decisions


Brandon Vera

8-0

6 (T)KO's 75%
1 Submission 12%
1 Decision

Cheick Kongo

11-3-1

7 (T)KO's 63%
1 Submission 9%
1 Decision

Frank Mir

10-3

1(T)KO 10%
6 Submissions 60%
2 Decisions

Tim Sylvia

23-3

16 (T)KO's 69%
2 Subs 8%
5 Decisions

Gabriel Gongzaga

8-2

3 (T)KO's 37%
5 Subs 62%

The only one he might have to worry about "Lay-n-praying" would be Randy Couture. So please tell me, out of all of those matchups, who would "lay-n-pray?" Between the fighters I mentioned above, they have 87 victory's, with 17 decisions. So what top tier UFC heavyweight is going to lay-n-pray??

You mention this all the time, but I fail to see it. Who are these top UFC guys that lay-n-pray? Unless you want the Pride boys to fight cans, then maybe " lay-n-pray" will happen. I know when Chuck went to Pride he fought Guy, Overeem and Jackson. Ricco fought Big Nog.
Mastodon2
9/24/07 7:08:43PM
As I was saying, Vera, Sylvia, Kongo and Arlovski are all more strikers than they are submission specialists or wrestlers, and Hunt has faced far, far worse than any of them have to offer on the the feet. Relatively unskilled guys on the ground like Sylvia and guys with almost zero ground game, like Kongo sure as hell will have difficulty submitting Hunt, since even Fedor struggled. If these guys have any sense they probably won't stand with Hunt. The only one whose best plan really is to stand and trade with him is Kongo, since his ground game is pretty poor. Other than that, I see them trying to take Hunt down and just making for some unspectacular fights.
Ultimate_fighter
9/24/07 7:42:11PM
Randy Always thinks of the perfect gameplan. p.s his picks are now 4-1! got the jardine fight wrong and made a good choice on the griffin fight..
cmill21
9/24/07 8:07:36PM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

Randy Always thinks of the perfect gameplan. p.s his picks are now 4-1! got the jardine fight wrong and made a good choice on the griffin fight..



He picked Mirko to beat kongo...chuck to beat jardine....there he's 4-2 and there are more, so randy's picks are only talked about when their right.
Firedog77
9/25/07 10:03:19PM
Randy will analize fedor then make him his bi@ch













Randy is an army vet and would have loved to have seved with him
marketmaven
9/25/07 10:36:19PM

Posted by Mastodon2

I really hope UFC don't get their hands on Fedor. I'm getting very angry at the terrible performances Pride fighters are putting in, but all this crap about the cage, fighting in different countries etc doesn't seem enough to justify their performances. Shogun in particular looked abysmal, gassed within 2 minutes. A while ago when someone on this site made a thread suggesting that UFC were fixing high stakes fights I was incredulous, now Im starting see where he was coming from. Nearly every oppertunity Dana has been given to say that "UFC is better than Pride ever was" he has had his way. It seems very suspicious that a 205lber, ranked by just about everyone as the best in the world gasses out and gets choked out by a game show contestant who was arguably top 15. Things just aren't adding up and I'm starting to feel angry and disillusioned.

Fedor is the one man that Dana wants to see lose, and Randy is his biggest boy, I hope the match never happens, because I'm starting to feel like just more than bad luck is stopping these Pride monsters from performing in the way that we know they should be able to.



I have to call you out on this post. I loved pride fight and am still a huge fan of their fighters but there are no fixes and no backroom dealings. This is completely ridiculous and there are no facts to support this. Put yourself in Dana's shoes, pay a guy like Mirko 350k a fight with the goal to have him lose and then get tasked with building up Gonzaga Couture?

I'll do you one better, pay Shogun 150k and slip Forrest a $50, and Shogun a $100 to appear tired and lose the fight. I am being sarcastic, listen, this is these fighters livelihoods, their families and all their friends are watching, their entire future earning potential is based on winning (and winning in exciting fashion). Shogun got beat after a huge layoff, after getting married, and lost to a guy who has been training relentlessly with Team Couture, not to mention the different rules, the cage.

This sport is evolving, throw my high school gym teacher in the there to train with Couture, have him train every day, throw in a dietician, world-class sparring partners, state of the art gym and weight training\bjj\and boxing coaches and in two years he'll be on par with the Stephen Bonnars of the world.

As for Fedor, I want to see him fight, and I can promise you this, he won't come in out of shape, become gassed, or get debut stage fright. He may lose to a top knotch guy but he'll have an exciting fight worth watch. If Dana is smart he won't throw him against a Jardine or Arlovski, he'll give him an instant title match or throw him a can like Tank Abbott or Wesley Cabbage to build him up and get a few highlights.
Buddharox
9/26/07 5:50:37AM

Posted by MaxUFC

Randy Couture could beat Fedor with his game what he did to Gonzaga and Syliva. Fedor should not have any problem with cage since he is well all round fighter.

I know Couture vs Fedor are too far from be happen.





Fedor isn't Gonzaga or Sylvia. People tend to forget that.
MaxUFC
9/28/07 10:38:58PM

Posted by Buddharox


Posted by MaxUFC

Randy Couture could beat Fedor with his game what he did to Gonzaga and Syliva. Fedor should not have any problem with cage since he is well all round fighter.

I know Couture vs Fedor are too far from be happen.





Fedor isn't Gonzaga or Sylvia. People tend to forget that.



I don't forgot about Fedor ... I talked about Couture's game plan that worked well last two fights. Matt Lindland and Cro Cop is not Randy Coture either.
cmill21
9/28/07 11:18:37PM

Posted by MaxUFC


Posted by Buddharox


Posted by MaxUFC

Randy Couture could beat Fedor with his game what he did to Gonzaga and Syliva. Fedor should not have any problem with cage since he is well all round fighter.

I know Couture vs Fedor are too far from be happen.





Fedor isn't Gonzaga or Sylvia. People tend to forget that.



I don't forgot about Fedor ... I talked about Couture's game plan that worked well last two fights. Matt Lindland and Cro Cop is not Randy Coture either.



But Cro Cop in a ring is deadly, Matt Lindland has the same style, Nog is a better BJJ guy, Coleman is an olympic wrestler. Fedor's beat every style, but we'll see how the cage treats him.
MaxUFC
9/29/07 5:11:42AM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by MaxUFC


Posted by Buddharox


Posted by MaxUFC

Randy Couture could beat Fedor with his game what he did to Gonzaga and Syliva. Fedor should not have any problem with cage since he is well all round fighter.

I know Couture vs Fedor are too far from be happen.





Fedor isn't Gonzaga or Sylvia. People tend to forget that.



I don't forgot about Fedor ... I talked about Couture's game plan that worked well last two fights. Matt Lindland and Cro Cop is not Randy Coture either.



But Cro Cop in a ring is deadly, Matt Lindland has the same style, Nog is a better BJJ guy, Coleman is an olympic wrestler. Fedor's beat every style, but we'll see how the cage treats him.



What happened to Cro Cop in the cage? His timesand almost ran out. and still good in the ring.

How was Big Nog's fight with Herring? Nog would be TKO if Herring jump to pummel him when Nog was dazing. Damn, Herring stepped back off to give Nog to get his eyes straight out.

Coleman was past his peak when fought Fedor... he got big break when Shogun broke arm.

Yes, Matt was same skill while Couture has been improved last two fights,

As for now, I do like to see Big Nog vs Couture and UFC sign Fedor.

Whenever come down with Couture vs Fedor... Couture will win by UD due he got better cardio and control the fight. I mean this fight in 2008, not 2009 or 2010.






Azzkiker
9/29/07 11:06:32AM
The only guy who i think has a legitimate shot is randy. Randy is the master of the cage. He knows how to use the cage against his opponents to help him get wins. I think fedor will wreak havoc in the ufc if anyone tries to stand up with him.
bayonetxwork
9/29/07 5:41:38PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and pick Vera. Now before I get flamed with all the bs "Vera hasn't even proven himself" shit, I'm picking him because he's got youth on his side, and hes already very skilled. I don't see him, or anyone in fact beating Fedor soon, but I think in a couple years and some more fights under Vera's belt, he'd have the best chance.


Oh and for the record I'm not really a fan of Fedor, and I would LOVE to see Couture smash him, but I really don't think that will happen, although a close decision might be plausible.
keith-hackney1
9/30/07 3:18:39PM
fedor aint coming, so drop all fedor ufc posts, he aint coming guys ...
mkiv9secsupra
9/30/07 8:20:13PM
Its arlovski. Arlovski knows the Sambo game perfectly. He'd be able to predict what Fedor is doing. And Arlovski is the better striker. If he connects with the same punch he knocked sylvia down with twice i think Fedor will be comatose. Whether or not everyone thinks he sucks or is boring he is VERY well rounded with a strong sambo background and strong kickboxing skills.
Ordep
10/1/07 12:04:31AM
There's an option missing in that poll...

None of the above


AA may be the closest one.

Randy..... people saying that he analyzes everything and bla bla bla....well so does Fedor ....
cmill21
10/1/07 1:47:40AM
It's hard to analyse fedor. He's beaten Cro Cop and Semmy Schilt standing, and K-1 guys know that's friggin rediculous, he's a dominant sambo world champ, he's excellent in subs. It's rediculous to say that he won't do well in the cage, he won't gas, he trains hard in high altitude's, and he's a beast. He'll lose by cut and I garentee that'd be randy's plan, cut him and hope for the stoppage.
jocksmall
10/1/07 7:45:27AM

Posted by hook_tothe_body

I think all the PRIDE guys have been losing in their debut have been losing because it's just that: their debut. They've been training to fight in a ring for years, they've been training different rules. I think in time all the PRIDE guys will catch up, get used to the rules, get used to training/fighting in a cage, and we'll see the PRIDE fighters of old.

Not to say that the people who have beaten PRIDE guys aren't good fighters. Anybody can knock anybody out. But the PRIDE fighters have a disadvantage when they step to fight in the cage.

As for Fedor ... I think Randy has the best chance of beating him. It would be such a good fight, such a close fight, but I could see Couture sometime within those three or five rounds getting a takedown and putting Fedor against the cage and pound out the TKO.

Fedor is so good, though. But he hasn't had a fight in a while and he would be thrown into a cage. Who knows what'll happen.


i agree
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