Will Fedor Suffer In The UFC As Well ?

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POLL: Who has the best chance of defeating Fedor in the UFC ?
Randy Couture 69% (59)
Tim Sylvia 4% (3)
Cheick Kongo (Stand-Up War !) 1% (1)
Andrei Arlovski 13% (11)
Brandon Vera 13% (11)
Southpaw82
9/23/07 12:58:14PM
Yes, Fedor is a machine. Although he has weaknesses, who do you think has the best chance of defeating him ? I mean, every dog has his day, he can't win forever. He will win some, and he will lose some eventually. So who takes him out first ?
CCPRIDE99
9/23/07 1:50:40PM
fedor hasnt been fighting the best in the world hes been fighting pride guys and weve seen how they have done so far so i honestly dont think fedor has proven himself yet
id like to see fedor fight lesnar since they are both supposed to be debuting
nickcuc547
9/23/07 2:30:47PM
i know most may disagree but i think aa has the best chance at beating him, i dont think he will but i think his power gives him the best chacne, you cant bull rush him because he is pretty accuarate with his punches, imo he can give fedor some big time problems.
Southpaw82
9/23/07 2:51:39PM

Posted by nickcuc547

i know most may disagree but i think aa has the best chance at beating him, i dont think he will but i think his power gives him the best chacne, you cant bull rush him because he is pretty accuarate with his punches, imo he can give fedor some big time problems.



I agree, although I think Vera has a good chance as well. Good kicks, good striking, good TD defense........Vera will be a force in 08'.
hook_tothe_body
9/23/07 3:12:53PM
I think all the PRIDE guys have been losing in their debut have been losing because it's just that: their debut. They've been training to fight in a ring for years, they've been training different rules. I think in time all the PRIDE guys will catch up, get used to the rules, get used to training/fighting in a cage, and we'll see the PRIDE fighters of old.

Not to say that the people who have beaten PRIDE guys aren't good fighters. Anybody can knock anybody out. But the PRIDE fighters have a disadvantage when they step to fight in the cage.

As for Fedor ... I think Randy has the best chance of beating him. It would be such a good fight, such a close fight, but I could see Couture sometime within those three or five rounds getting a takedown and putting Fedor against the cage and pound out the TKO.

Fedor is so good, though. But he hasn't had a fight in a while and he would be thrown into a cage. Who knows what'll happen.
decken
9/23/07 3:22:20PM

Posted by CCPRIDE99

fedor hasnt been fighting the best in the world hes been fighting pride guys and weve seen how they have done so far so i honestly dont think fedor has proven himself yet
id like to see fedor fight lesnar since they are both supposed to be debuting


I completely disagree with you. Fedor has had very good competition. While some pride fighters have had trouble in the U.F.C., two of them have become new UFC Champions in dominate fashion. I personally think two out of five belts is pretty good. So those "pride guys" that you clam aren't the best some how have 2/5th of the belts in the U.F.C. Also I think give the pride guys some more time and we will see more Pride fighters come into there own.

keith-hackney1
9/23/07 3:30:04PM
No, because he aint coming. He and his management are more than happy to sign with elite and reign number one over 90% class be fighters. That way he'll protect his legacy.
hook_tothe_body
9/23/07 3:34:06PM

Posted by decken


Posted by CCPRIDE99

fedor hasnt been fighting the best in the world hes been fighting pride guys and weve seen how they have done so far so i honestly dont think fedor has proven himself yet
id like to see fedor fight lesnar since they are both supposed to be debuting


I completely disagree with you. Fedor has had very good competition. While some pride fighters have had trouble in the U.F.C., two of them have become new UFC Champions in dominate fashion. I personally think two out of five belts is pretty good. So those "pride guys" that you clam aren't the best some how have 2/5th of the belts in the U.F.C. Also I think give the pride guys some more time and we will see more Pride fighters come into there own.



Decken, I completely agree with you. In my earlier post where I was defending PRIDE fighters fighting in the UFC I forgot to mention that Anderson Silva holds the MIddleweight Title, and Quinton Jackson holds the Lightheavyweight Title. Two out of the five UFC belts.

Most definitely, PRIDE fighters will come into their own and gets used to fighting in a cage with different rules. And I honestly believe that PRIDE fighters will dominant within the UFC. I'm not taking anything away from UFC fighters. Forrest is a very good fighter, as is Gabriel Gonzaga who knocked out Mirko.

I just think that overall, PRIDE has the more talented fighters and in a year or two, I think the playing field will be even and we'll see who the best fighters in the world are.

Again, not taking away anything from UFC fighters. And again, anybody can beat anybody on any given night.

Either way, it's going to make for some interesting fights.
cmill21
9/23/07 3:35:49PM
Intelligence. I hope fedor does come, and beats randy so everyone will shut up lol.
decken
9/23/07 3:40:24PM

Posted by keith-hackney1

No, because he aint coming. He and his management are more than happy to sign with elite and reign number one over 90% class be fighters. That way he'll protect his legacy.



Well according to Dana White he will be signing early next year. Here is a link to the interview with Dana talking about it: http://rapidshare.com/files/35697271...rview.mp3.html
Fanboy 1988
9/23/07 3:56:41PM
I honestly wouldn't be very suprised if Tim Sylvia KOed Fedor..
CCPRIDE99
9/23/07 6:21:50PM
all of these people talk about silva and jackson but fedor never fought either of them.
if fedor fought randy randy would slice him up with elbows and force a doctor stoppage.
everybody has forgotten how tsuyoshi kosaka beat fedor hes not unbeaten
Southpaw82
9/23/07 7:05:10PM
Look, i'm not saying he's undefeated. I know he's lost before, but he's a much differernt fighter since losing 7 years ago, and by a cut at that. I just think he's pretty much unstoppable.........except in the UFC. My guess is Randy or Vera.
nubby
9/23/07 7:12:37PM

Posted by Southpaw82

Look, i'm not saying he's undefeated. I know he's lost before, but he's a much differernt fighter since losing 7 years ago, and by a cut at that. I just think he's pretty much unstoppable.........except in the UFC. My guess is Randy or Vera.



I think once he steps into the Octagon he will cement the notion that pride fighters are not as good as UFC fighters. Randy will beat him and put the question to rest for all time.
Mastodon2
9/23/07 7:15:28PM
I really hope UFC don't get their hands on Fedor. I'm getting very angry at the terrible performances Pride fighters are putting in, but all this crap about the cage, fighting in different countries etc doesn't seem enough to justify their performances. Shogun in particular looked abysmal, gassed within 2 minutes. A while ago when someone on this site made a thread suggesting that UFC were fixing high stakes fights I was incredulous, now Im starting see where he was coming from. Nearly every oppertunity Dana has been given to say that "UFC is better than Pride ever was" he has had his way. It seems very suspicious that a 205lber, ranked by just about everyone as the best in the world gasses out and gets choked out by a game show contestant who was arguably top 15. Things just aren't adding up and I'm starting to feel angry and disillusioned.

Fedor is the one man that Dana wants to see lose, and Randy is his biggest boy, I hope the match never happens, because I'm starting to feel like just more than bad luck is stopping these Pride monsters from performing in the way that we know they should be able to.
Playground_Samurai
9/23/07 8:17:12PM

Posted by Mastodon2

I really hope UFC don't get their hands on Fedor. I'm getting very angry at the terrible performances Pride fighters are putting in, but all this crap about the cage, fighting in different countries etc doesn't seem enough to justify their performances. Shogun in particular looked abysmal, gassed within 2 minutes. A while ago when someone on this site made a thread suggesting that UFC were fixing high stakes fights I was incredulous, now Im starting see where he was coming from. Nearly every oppertunity Dana has been given to say that "UFC is better than Pride ever was" he has had his way. It seems very suspicious that a 205lber, ranked by just about everyone as the best in the world gasses out and gets choked out by a game show contestant who was arguably top 15. Things just aren't adding up and I'm starting to feel angry and disillusioned.

Fedor is the one man that Dana wants to see lose, and Randy is his biggest boy, I hope the match never happens, because I'm starting to feel like just more than bad luck is stopping these Pride monsters from performing in the way that we know they should be able to.



This is rediculous. MMA is not scripted. Anything can happen at any time. These are real men that know how to fight going in against each other.

I have never liked one orginization more than another. I love MMA, weather it's UFC, Pride, Cage Rage, IFL, Elite XC, Strikeforce, ICON, Bodog, or the thousands of others out there. All the orginizations have real men that have real talent and the POTENTIAL to beat any opponent they are pitted against. No offense to anybody meant, but i've always thought it was completely ingnorant to say a fighter was better than another fighter just because he fought in a different orginization. There is no logic or basis behind that type of statement.

I understand that there are different tiers of fighters that are expect to perform better than less skilled or inexeperienced fighters, but that doesn't mean they are always gonna win. There are lots of different circumstances that could come into play. Sometimes style make fights. Sometimes the underdog or less experienced fighter has improved since their previous performances.

I know it's a shot at all of the pride nuthuggers ego, but the fact is that Pride fighters were never better than UFC fighters and vice versa. They both had great talent, and on any given day one of them could beat the other.

If we want our favorite fighters to win every time, or expect the fights to go exactly as we think they will, maybe we should start watching professional wrestling. In real fighting, things don't always go as planned.
zephead
9/23/07 8:17:59PM

Posted by Mastodon2

I really hope UFC don't get their hands on Fedor. I'm getting very angry at the terrible performances Pride fighters are putting in, but all this crap about the cage, fighting in different countries etc doesn't seem enough to justify their performances. Shogun in particular looked abysmal, gassed within 2 minutes. A while ago when someone on this site made a thread suggesting that UFC were fixing high stakes fights I was incredulous, now Im starting see where he was coming from. Nearly every oppertunity Dana has been given to say that "UFC is better than Pride ever was" he has had his way. It seems very suspicious that a 205lber, ranked by just about everyone as the best in the world gasses out and gets choked out by a game show contestant who was arguably top 15. Things just aren't adding up and I'm starting to feel angry and disillusioned.

Fedor is the one man that Dana wants to see lose, and Randy is his biggest boy, I hope the match never happens, because I'm starting to feel like just more than bad luck is stopping these Pride monsters from performing in the way that we know they should be able to.



Yea, that's the ticket. Shogun, Cro Cop, Nakamura etc. etc. are throwing fights. How else to explain their loses. The UFC is inferior. Only Pride fighters train. Only Pride fighters game plan. Only Pride fighters have great cardio, standup and grappling. There's no other answer for it. They're not professional. They throw a fight for a buck or two.

It doesn't matter that Forrestt is a huge 205 lb fighter. It doesn't matter that Forrest (who trains with Randy, the best at game planning and studying a fighter) made Shogun work for EVERYTHING. He leaned on him on the cage. He was on top using his weight and when he was on the bottom he made Rua work. He locked his wrists. He threw elbows. He moved. It didn't matter that when you stand and bang, ANYTHING can happen.

Forrest caught him in the 1st round and put a big knot on Rua's forehead. That was the begining of the end. In Pride everybody chose to just stand with Shogun and Cro Cop. Nobody wanted to make them work. And now they are both being pushed. Cro Cop being taken out of his comfort zone. Rua fighting somebody alot bigger then him.

So it has to be fixed fights.
cmill21
9/23/07 9:08:39PM
I don't agree about fixed fights. Dana never would have let chuck get his ass handed to him by a pride fighter, rich same thing. I think chute boxe has a conditioning issue(Ninja gassed to) and Mirko had a motivation issue/not being comfterble in the cage.
Couture4L
9/23/07 9:52:03PM
Ya I agree no fights are fixed simply put what happened to cro cop, shogun and eventually fedor they were out worked. People don't realize how much of a difference the octagon is compared to the ring and yes the rules may be a lil diferrent but they affect the fight in the end. Cro cop said it himself the elbows were unexpecting when we stood up i was seeing blurry felt dizzy next thing you know he's on the alltime KO's highlight reel taking a pc of his own medicine. Shogun couldn't stomp Forrest or soccer kick him in the head when he took him down. He landed one good elbow and that was all the offense you saw from shogun, the rest was him giving forrest his back and forrest landing blow after blow till eventually getting his hooks in flattening him out and choking him out and completely outworking him. Now fedor here's where the cage will come into play it happened to gonzaga and will happen to fedor. if randy keeps him against the fence and just dirty boxes shortens the distance when they bang outworks him in the clinch and takes him down at will, Randy will easily dominate Fedor an your dream fight turns into randy completely destroying fedor and this will happen bcuz that will be randy's game plan.
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nubby
9/23/07 10:00:15PM

Posted by Couture4L

Ya I agree no fights are fixed simply put what happened to cro cop, shogun and eventually fedor they were out worked. People don't realize how much of a difference the octagon is compared to the ring and yes the rules may be a lil diferrent but they affect the fight in the end. Cro cop said it himself the elbows were unexpecting when we stood up i was seeing blurry felt dizzy next thing you know he's on the alltime KO's highlight reel taking a pc of his own medicine. Shogun couldn't stomp Forrest or soccer kick him in the head when he took him down. He landed one good elbow and that was all the offense you saw from shogun, the rest was him giving forrest his back and forrest landing blow after blow till eventually getting his hooks in flattening him out and choking him out and completely outworking him. Now fedor here's where the cage will come into play it happened to gonzaga and will happen to fedor. if randy keeps him against the fence and just dirty boxes shortens the distance when they bang outworks him in the clinch and takes him down at will, Randy will easily dominate Fedor an your dream fight turns into randy completely destroying fedor and this will happen bcuz that will be randy's game plan.



I don't know about complete domination but Fedor's image of being god will be shattered for all time.
Pitbull09
9/23/07 10:28:54PM

Posted by CCPRIDE99

fedor hasnt been fighting the best in the world hes been fighting pride guys and weve seen how they have done so far so i honestly dont think fedor has proven himself yet
id like to see fedor fight lesnar since they are both supposed to be debuting



Fedor has fought some of the best, and him fighting brock lesnar wouldnt help him out much for his career other than helping crushing little WWE fanboys hearts when their contender gets trashed in an actual fight.
MaxUFC
9/23/07 10:33:55PM
Randy Couture could beat Fedor with his game what he did to Gonzaga and Syliva. Fedor should not have any problem with cage since he is well all round fighter.

I know Couture vs Fedor are too far from be happen.

jgtribbett
9/24/07 12:46:42AM
yeah know.. i've always cheered for the wreslter just because... i was a greco guy myself.. but hoenstly. i think if anyone can beat him its couture... he is always the man with the game plan
mikevolz
9/24/07 7:31:28AM
why isn't mark hunt on the list?. id think the list goes

mark hunt
quinton jackson
brandon vera


couture i just see as a smarter mark coleman, and fedor ran through him twice.

mark hunt because well, look at their last fight.

quinton jackson because i believe its a bad style matchup for fedor, strong athletic good wrestler, with much improved striking.

and brandon vera maybe not now but in a short while, because vera has the speed to give fedor trouble, not the experience yet though.

Mastodon2
9/24/07 7:38:06AM
Mark Hunt is just an absolute brute, but I fear for him in UFC, the obvious bias towards wrestlers will work against him. Pride's rules and ring made it a more level playing field, which let him work his devastating striking, but I think in UFC he could end up getting taken down and losing fights against LnP specialists. It will be cool if he comes and tanks some guys though, he looks amazing fighting, and is one of the top strikers in MMA easily, he won a K-1 GP, which put him up against striking competition far beyond anything seen in UFC or MMA in general, the only person's striking he needs to worry about is Cro Cop's. It's the wrestling, getting taken down against the cage in an awkward position and having a big wrestler lie on him for 3 rounds that might stop him.

For sure, Randy would need to follow that game plan if he wanted to beat him, if he tried to clinch and dirty box him like he did with Gonzaga he would find himself waking up in hospital getting his jaw snapped back into place!

Hunt vs AA would be a great match up though, I'd love to see that one.
adamal
9/24/07 8:03:41AM

Posted by cmill21

Intelligence. I hope fedor does come, and beats randy so everyone will shut up lol.



I hope fedor does come and Randy beats him so everyone else will shut up!

No disrespect to cmill I'm just pullin for Randy big time if this fight happens.
AchillesHeel
9/24/07 11:29:06AM

Posted by Mastodon2

I really hope UFC don't get their hands on Fedor. I'm getting very angry at the terrible performances Pride fighters are putting in, but all this crap about the cage, fighting in different countries etc doesn't seem enough to justify their performances. Shogun in particular looked abysmal, gassed within 2 minutes.


I'm also annoyed with the recent performances of some Pride fighters. However, I think it's worth pointing out that two UFC championship belts are currently around the waists of former Pride fighters.

My blame for the poor performances of former Pride fighters rests squarely on the shoulders of those fighters. Heath Herring, Mirko Cro Cop, and Shogun Rua clearly underestimated their opponents, and possibly underestimated UFC fighters more generally. Cro Cop admitted as much after his loss to Gonzaga, to his credit.


Posted by Mastodon2

It seems very suspicious that a 205lber, ranked by just about everyone as the best in the world gasses out and gets choked out by a game show contestant who was arguably top 15.


I think you're seriously underestimating Forrest Griffin.


Posted by Mastodon2

[...]I'm starting to feel like just more than bad luck is stopping these Pride monsters from performing in the way that we know they should be able to.


Perhaps you've heard the phrase "The harder you train, the luckier you get"? It's one of those hackneyed sports phrases, but there's an essential truth there. Rua gassed out halfway through the 2nd round. That's not even 1 round under Pride rules. If you're a fan of former Pride fighters, I don't blame you for being angry, but you should be angry at Shogun and his trainers. He f'd up.
MMAnomale
9/24/07 11:59:39AM
After what all I've seen lately, especially after Shogun's fight, nothing could suprise me know. I'm in a permanent state of disarray and confusion now. I hope that this is all a dream and I wake up and PRIDE FC is still going on and the UFC is still a seperate entity. I'm sickened by these events that have unfolded before me.
CroCop and Shogun, underestimating their opponents. Shogun coming into that fight in horrible shape, gassed in the second round. Hell, in Pride they would've still been in the first round. What in the hell is going on. I give Forrest credit but damn, something isn't right. I feel like I'm having a bad trip or something.
Hurricane_Brad
9/24/07 12:02:06PM

Posted by Couture4L

Ya I agree no fights are fixed simply put what happened to cro cop, shogun and eventually fedor they were out worked. People don't realize how much of a difference the octagon is compared to the ring and yes the rules may be a lil diferrent but they affect the fight in the end. Cro cop said it himself the elbows were unexpecting when we stood up i was seeing blurry felt dizzy next thing you know he's on the alltime KO's highlight reel taking a pc of his own medicine. Shogun couldn't stomp Forrest or soccer kick him in the head when he took him down. He landed one good elbow and that was all the offense you saw from shogun, the rest was him giving forrest his back and forrest landing blow after blow till eventually getting his hooks in flattening him out and choking him out and completely outworking him. Now fedor here's where the cage will come into play it happened to gonzaga and will happen to fedor. if randy keeps him against the fence and just dirty boxes shortens the distance when they bang outworks him in the clinch and takes him down at will, Randy will easily dominate Fedor an your dream fight turns into randy completely destroying fedor and this will happen bcuz that will be randy's game plan.



This "Randy's gameplanz pwns all!!!11" nonsense is getting as bad as the Fedor nuthugging was. Yes, Randy can come up with good strategy, but that didn't help him much against Chuck Liddell the last couple of times, and lets not forget that Fedor is pretty good at the strategy game too. Couture and Fedor are both fallible, mortal men. If they meet, it will be a good fight, but Fedor is far more proven against top HW opposition. I would have to give the edge to him.
Couture4L
9/24/07 5:10:37PM
Randy fought chuck the second time thinking i alrerady beat him in the stand up game once i'm going to do it again, he went into that fight think liddell wouldn't change his gameplan in which chuck did he better movement and was able to catch randy coming in as for there thrid fight though randy was winning that fight till he slipped throwing a right hook and liddell caught him.
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