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Aether
7/17/08 10:41:13AM
yeah I mean, there are definitely some lopsided fights on the card, but I'm really excited about it, even if just to see so many great fighters who have been out of commission for so long. This card has several of the best heavyweights around and several of them have been off the radar for a while.
Man I don't know about you but I have no problem shelling out 10 bucks or even 40 if I couldn't find a bar (that's too bad if you really looked and couldn't find one... I found several in my area, it's a shame that it's not getting more coverage.) to see Barnett, aleksander, rizzo, arlovski, lil nog, and babalu fighting. To finally have all of the debates about whether fedor can still contend with top heavyweights settled.
Even with lopsided matches the card just has exciting fighters, great fighters that have been out of commission, and should answer some important questions that have been asked frequently over the last year or so. Whether it will be the best card ever remains to be seen, but I can't believe anyone could say it's not worth paying to see.
Man I don't know about you but I have no problem shelling out 10 bucks or even 40 if I couldn't find a bar (that's too bad if you really looked and couldn't find one... I found several in my area, it's a shame that it's not getting more coverage.) to see Barnett, aleksander, rizzo, arlovski, lil nog, and babalu fighting. To finally have all of the debates about whether fedor can still contend with top heavyweights settled.
Even with lopsided matches the card just has exciting fighters, great fighters that have been out of commission, and should answer some important questions that have been asked frequently over the last year or so. Whether it will be the best card ever remains to be seen, but I can't believe anyone could say it's not worth paying to see.
DBest
7/17/08 11:44:46AM
No way this is one of the best fight cards ever. just about every fight has a huge underdog. plus i am kind of sick of fedor and would much rather see Anderson Silva fight at 205.
The-Don
7/17/08 12:12:16PM
this show has the POTENTIAL to be one of the best shows... And yea alot of these guys are listed as underdogs.. but everone of them has a chance at winning thier matches.. almost everyone on this card has or could easily headline cards.. there really are no push over gaurenteed wins on this card....
As for watching it.. Sadly I will be stuck with the UFC event if I choose to watch it.. I do not have the abality to get PPV at home.. and at the moment I am in a bit of a money crunch just switching to a new job and trying to get caught back up on bills... I am planning on shgowing my support for the Affliction card by NOT watching the UFC even though I just like watching MMA and normally would watch what I can get... But since I want to support Affliction in thier first show... I am mor then likely going to watch regular TV since my home PC is dead... or rent some movies from blockbuster
As for watching it.. Sadly I will be stuck with the UFC event if I choose to watch it.. I do not have the abality to get PPV at home.. and at the moment I am in a bit of a money crunch just switching to a new job and trying to get caught back up on bills... I am planning on shgowing my support for the Affliction card by NOT watching the UFC even though I just like watching MMA and normally would watch what I can get... But since I want to support Affliction in thier first show... I am mor then likely going to watch regular TV since my home PC is dead... or rent some movies from blockbuster
moob
7/17/08 12:24:23PM
Posted by Aether
first off going to a bar to see it is supporting the athletes because the bar has to pay for the ppv and for a license to show them. You're giving the money to them indirectly, the same way that when you buy a PPV at home you're giving your money directly to the cable company, NOT to the UFC. They then get a portion of what you paid the cable company.
If you're paying to see the fights you're supporting the athletes, it doesn't matter if it's in a bar or at your house.
Second, no one forces you to drink and eat at the bar, that has absolutely nothing to do with the fight, that's your choice, and if you have the money to do that then the initial point of going to a bar because the admission is cheaper really doesn't apply to you at all and the point is moot anyway.
The point is people have to money to see it but they're going to steal it.
That's all. That's the bottom line. Make all the excuses you want, you're saying flat out that you're going to steal it because you're too cheap. It's nonsense. I don't walk into a store and steal a bunch of crap off of the shelf because I don't feel like paying for it. None of your excuses will change that simple fact. I don't see how a person can consider themselves a fan if they're willing to steal from the people that are entertaining them. If I like a band I buy their music, if I like a movie I pay to see it, if I like a sport I pay to see it. If you don't do the same you're stealing. Simple.
Can you argue against that?
Man, for one second, remove yourself from your highhorse.
Are you saying you've always paid for every kind of entertainment you've viewed/listened to or whatever? I doubt that.
You seem to think the bars pay money directly to the UFC/Affliction. From my understanding, bars will pay the PPV company the fee, and similarly, the UFC will get a proportion of that fee. Afterall, it's not the organisation that provides the cable/satellite service, is it?
How much the fighters get in terms of cut from the limited number of bars that subscribe to it is very much open to question, and would IMO, have a limited input into their fight purses.
Another thing, I've never been to a bar that hasn't insisted that you purchase a drink/food - that's where they make their money, not from charging a small cover charge at the door.
Aether
7/17/08 4:37:17PM
Rofl, telling people that it's wrong to steal things and claim yourself to be a fan of that thing is definitely being on a high-horse. I can't really think of anything that I've taken without paying for truthfully, I buy cds, I've paid for all of the UFCs including the very first ones on beta-max back in the day. You can call it "being on a high horse" all you want. I call it reality. Taking things without paying for them is stealing and it's wrong especially for a bunch of people who consider themselves "true fans".
Where did I say that the bars hand money directly to affliction??? I said that the bars pay for the pay per view and for the right to air it publicly and as a result by going to a bar you're giving your money to the sport indirectly the same way that you would be if you bought the ppv at home. The point is the underpaid athletes rely on that money coming in not just from card to card but in the long run. I'm not talking about a PPV cut, I'm talking about supporting the sport in general, helping it to grow by paying to see it the way that you should be.
It's a joke that you guys will sit around talking about how affliction will go bankrupt and it's a great card etc etc but LOL I'M GONNA STEAL IT! That's wrong. Call it a high horse if you want to but I've trained and participated in this sport and I have way too much respect for it and for the athletes that make a career out of it to joke around about how a potentially great new promotion is going to go bankrupt because no one feels like shelling out 10 or 40 dollars to watch it, but they're definitely going to steal it after they finish with the UFC event. That's bullshit. Sorry if you think I'm being pretentious but it's called respect. I respect the hard work these athletes put in for such small amounts of money because they have a love and respect for a great sport and a desire to entertain greedy "fans" who aren't willing to pay for the product they're enjoying.
As far as being at a bar and not drinking, in most cases they will demand that you drink, but that isn't the case when you PAY TO GET IN. I don't know what bars you're going to but I've gone to a million PPV events for both boxing and MMA at dozens of different bars and many many times I was spending the only 10 dollars I had on the entry fee (even though I could have just downloaded it) and never once after paying a cover charge have I ever been told I have to buy drinks nor have I ever seen it happen to anyone else EVER. If you're just going into a bar on a random night that's the case yeah, you have to buy something, but when you pay a cover charge no, you don't have to drink because you're already giving them money for the pay per view. Money is money. They don't care if it's from a ppv or a glass of beer they just don't want people taking up space who aren't paying for it.
Anyway. you can say whatever you want about me, but ultimately you know that it's stealing and these are not NBA stars with 3 year contracts for millions of dollars. Most fighters fight for around 10-15 grand going fight to fight with no job security, no benefits, no medical coverage, no insurance against injury. This is a sport that needs support. The athletes need for fans to actually pay for what they're watching, they need their own athletic commissions, they need better rules to protect them, they need for the sport to gain the kind of acceptance that mainstream sports enjoy.
That stuff all comes with _MONEY_. Another thing they need is rival companies so that the UFC can't have a monopoly where they get to decide fighter's fates without them having any input. Personally I would like the sport to grow and mature and I would like to see the athletes getting insurance against injury and compensation on par with mainstream athletes and I feel as fans that it's up to us to fight for them on that front, and to pay for what we're getting to help them out.
The fighters have to listen to the UFC, but the UFC has to listen to the fans. We're the way that the sport gains popularity and makes money. That's your job and mine as a fan. I'm happy to do it, and I probably have less money than most of the people saying they can't afford it. I borrowed $10 to watch the last UFC because I had absolutely no money at all. It bothers me especially that people who consider themselves fans are unwilling to actually show any support for their sport. I guarantee the same people will complain about some decision they don't like down the road though.
This is an MMA forum... These are the people who should be the most adamant about supporting the sport.
Where did I say that the bars hand money directly to affliction??? I said that the bars pay for the pay per view and for the right to air it publicly and as a result by going to a bar you're giving your money to the sport indirectly the same way that you would be if you bought the ppv at home. The point is the underpaid athletes rely on that money coming in not just from card to card but in the long run. I'm not talking about a PPV cut, I'm talking about supporting the sport in general, helping it to grow by paying to see it the way that you should be.
It's a joke that you guys will sit around talking about how affliction will go bankrupt and it's a great card etc etc but LOL I'M GONNA STEAL IT! That's wrong. Call it a high horse if you want to but I've trained and participated in this sport and I have way too much respect for it and for the athletes that make a career out of it to joke around about how a potentially great new promotion is going to go bankrupt because no one feels like shelling out 10 or 40 dollars to watch it, but they're definitely going to steal it after they finish with the UFC event. That's bullshit. Sorry if you think I'm being pretentious but it's called respect. I respect the hard work these athletes put in for such small amounts of money because they have a love and respect for a great sport and a desire to entertain greedy "fans" who aren't willing to pay for the product they're enjoying.
As far as being at a bar and not drinking, in most cases they will demand that you drink, but that isn't the case when you PAY TO GET IN. I don't know what bars you're going to but I've gone to a million PPV events for both boxing and MMA at dozens of different bars and many many times I was spending the only 10 dollars I had on the entry fee (even though I could have just downloaded it) and never once after paying a cover charge have I ever been told I have to buy drinks nor have I ever seen it happen to anyone else EVER. If you're just going into a bar on a random night that's the case yeah, you have to buy something, but when you pay a cover charge no, you don't have to drink because you're already giving them money for the pay per view. Money is money. They don't care if it's from a ppv or a glass of beer they just don't want people taking up space who aren't paying for it.
Anyway. you can say whatever you want about me, but ultimately you know that it's stealing and these are not NBA stars with 3 year contracts for millions of dollars. Most fighters fight for around 10-15 grand going fight to fight with no job security, no benefits, no medical coverage, no insurance against injury. This is a sport that needs support. The athletes need for fans to actually pay for what they're watching, they need their own athletic commissions, they need better rules to protect them, they need for the sport to gain the kind of acceptance that mainstream sports enjoy.
That stuff all comes with _MONEY_. Another thing they need is rival companies so that the UFC can't have a monopoly where they get to decide fighter's fates without them having any input. Personally I would like the sport to grow and mature and I would like to see the athletes getting insurance against injury and compensation on par with mainstream athletes and I feel as fans that it's up to us to fight for them on that front, and to pay for what we're getting to help them out.
The fighters have to listen to the UFC, but the UFC has to listen to the fans. We're the way that the sport gains popularity and makes money. That's your job and mine as a fan. I'm happy to do it, and I probably have less money than most of the people saying they can't afford it. I borrowed $10 to watch the last UFC because I had absolutely no money at all. It bothers me especially that people who consider themselves fans are unwilling to actually show any support for their sport. I guarantee the same people will complain about some decision they don't like down the road though.
This is an MMA forum... These are the people who should be the most adamant about supporting the sport.
mrsmiley
7/18/08 8:29:02AM
Aether is right on this.
Look guys,on Afflictions website they have a list of all bars showing "Banned".
Here's the link.Try to find one in your area!
http://www.afflictionclothing.com/banned_july19/how_to_watch.php
Look guys,on Afflictions website they have a list of all bars showing "Banned".
Here's the link.Try to find one in your area!
http://www.afflictionclothing.com/banned_july19/how_to_watch.php
moob
7/18/08 8:43:48AM
Posted by Aether
Rofl, telling people that it's wrong to steal things and claim yourself to be a fan of that thing is definitely being on a high-horse. I can't really think of anything that I've taken without paying for truthfully, I buy cds, I've paid for all of the UFCs including the very first ones on beta-max back in the day. You can call it "being on a high horse" all you want. I call it reality. Taking things without paying for them is stealing and it's wrong especially for a bunch of people who consider themselves "true fans".
Where did I say that the bars hand money directly to affliction??? I said that the bars pay for the pay per view and for the right to air it publicly and as a result by going to a bar you're giving your money to the sport indirectly the same way that you would be if you bought the ppv at home. The point is the underpaid athletes rely on that money coming in not just from card to card but in the long run. I'm not talking about a PPV cut, I'm talking about supporting the sport in general, helping it to grow by paying to see it the way that you should be.
It's a joke that you guys will sit around talking about how affliction will go bankrupt and it's a great card etc etc but LOL I'M GONNA STEAL IT! That's wrong. Call it a high horse if you want to but I've trained and participated in this sport and I have way too much respect for it and for the athletes that make a career out of it to joke around about how a potentially great new promotion is going to go bankrupt because no one feels like shelling out 10 or 40 dollars to watch it, but they're definitely going to steal it after they finish with the UFC event. That's bullshit. Sorry if you think I'm being pretentious but it's called respect. I respect the hard work these athletes put in for such small amounts of money because they have a love and respect for a great sport and a desire to entertain greedy "fans" who aren't willing to pay for the product they're enjoying.
As far as being at a bar and not drinking, in most cases they will demand that you drink, but that isn't the case when you PAY TO GET IN. I don't know what bars you're going to but I've gone to a million PPV events for both boxing and MMA at dozens of different bars and many many times I was spending the only 10 dollars I had on the entry fee (even though I could have just downloaded it) and never once after paying a cover charge have I ever been told I have to buy drinks nor have I ever seen it happen to anyone else EVER. If you're just going into a bar on a random night that's the case yeah, you have to buy something, but when you pay a cover charge no, you don't have to drink because you're already giving them money for the pay per view. Money is money. They don't care if it's from a ppv or a glass of beer they just don't want people taking up space who aren't paying for it.
Anyway. you can say whatever you want about me, but ultimately you know that it's stealing and these are not NBA stars with 3 year contracts for millions of dollars. Most fighters fight for around 10-15 grand going fight to fight with no job security, no benefits, no medical coverage, no insurance against injury. This is a sport that needs support. The athletes need for fans to actually pay for what they're watching, they need their own athletic commissions, they need better rules to protect them, they need for the sport to gain the kind of acceptance that mainstream sports enjoy.
That stuff all comes with _MONEY_. Another thing they need is rival companies so that the UFC can't have a monopoly where they get to decide fighter's fates without them having any input. Personally I would like the sport to grow and mature and I would like to see the athletes getting insurance against injury and compensation on par with mainstream athletes and I feel as fans that it's up to us to fight for them on that front, and to pay for what we're getting to help them out.
The fighters have to listen to the UFC, but the UFC has to listen to the fans. We're the way that the sport gains popularity and makes money. That's your job and mine as a fan. I'm happy to do it, and I probably have less money than most of the people saying they can't afford it. I borrowed $10 to watch the last UFC because I had absolutely no money at all. It bothers me especially that people who consider themselves fans are unwilling to actually show any support for their sport. I guarantee the same people will complain about some decision they don't like down the road though.
This is an MMA forum... These are the people who should be the most adamant about supporting the sport.
Listen, I'm not against people paying their way to provide support to the sport - you're assuming I don't by implication.
Also, to say someone isn't a true fan for not bankrolling a multi-million dollar industry is rather ignorant.
Fighters sign contracts - they are not, as far as I'm aware, held at gun point to sign these contracts and are therefore open to negociating them and all terms and conditons contained therein. If that contract is not suitable to them, then they shouldn't sign it.
There are a number of careers out there that aren't fairly renumerated, but I don't feel it's my job to ensure they are adequately compensated as a result.
I'm certainly not criticising you for what you do, that's your choice - but you certainly can't go preaching that what everyone else does as being theft.
EliasG
7/18/08 5:31:27PM
Bragging about stealing and getting called out for it....oops on you. Dude was right. If you like a sport support. If you don't really care about its existence steal. I guarantee you, if you were standing around Dana White and joked that you were stealing some of his PPV's you wouldn't get a free pass. Don't feel bad that you got called out. Shouldn't have said it.
Now I will say that I don't "get" people who say they are huge fans of MMA and then say they would rather see the free UFC. I will TIVO that and watch it. I like MMA. But when you compare these two cards as complete events it's like comparing a really good televised high school football game to a playoff NFL game. No comparison. The talent in the Affliction card is huge. The UFC card is hastily thrown together and I'm not knocking it because business is business but the truth is, there is no way I'm watching a high school game over a pro game.
Here are some options--GO to a bar. OR go to a casino and request they play it. Back when scrilla was low, I used to watch all the fights boxing and otherwise at a local casino. I would call and ask if they were playing a fight. Then I would have a few other friends do the same thing. About an hour later, when I called again, the people there would usually decide, if they hadn't already ordered it, to order it because "so many people were calling about it". I would go to the casino, drink free sodas and watch the fight. Then go home. Free. A bar is usually a cover. Buy 1 pitcher with your boys and then have everyone else buy one pitcher. Every one drinks, costs everyone about 10 bucks a piece. Y'all need to get up on your "poor" game. I had years of experience on how to work the angles before I started making real scratch.
Now I will say that I don't "get" people who say they are huge fans of MMA and then say they would rather see the free UFC. I will TIVO that and watch it. I like MMA. But when you compare these two cards as complete events it's like comparing a really good televised high school football game to a playoff NFL game. No comparison. The talent in the Affliction card is huge. The UFC card is hastily thrown together and I'm not knocking it because business is business but the truth is, there is no way I'm watching a high school game over a pro game.
Here are some options--GO to a bar. OR go to a casino and request they play it. Back when scrilla was low, I used to watch all the fights boxing and otherwise at a local casino. I would call and ask if they were playing a fight. Then I would have a few other friends do the same thing. About an hour later, when I called again, the people there would usually decide, if they hadn't already ordered it, to order it because "so many people were calling about it". I would go to the casino, drink free sodas and watch the fight. Then go home. Free. A bar is usually a cover. Buy 1 pitcher with your boys and then have everyone else buy one pitcher. Every one drinks, costs everyone about 10 bucks a piece. Y'all need to get up on your "poor" game. I had years of experience on how to work the angles before I started making real scratch.
Boo_Radley21
7/19/08 2:06:00AM
Posted by EliasG
Now I will say that I don't "get" people who say they are huge fans of MMA and then say they would rather see the free UFC.
Alright so I'm getting pretty sick of reading this type of comment. Last time I checked guys, UFC was an MMA organization. So does that mean that someone who watches their card isn't an MMA fan? I don't understand how people can go around saying that you aren't a "true MMA fan" if you watch the UFC... If you were a "true MMA fan" maybe you would quit bitching about an organization you don't like and just enjoy the fights. Who cares if you are anti-ufc...don't watch it. If you're into Affliction watch that. Big deal. There's really no need to call people out on how much they like or support the sport. I honestly think people are starting to feel like it's the "cool" thing to do by hating on the UFC and only supporting other shows. What the hell is the difference. It's all MMA. If you were a "huge fan" of MMA you would stop fighting people on which is better, enjoy the fight card you want to watch, and let everyone else do the same.
I can't believe the people saying "I'm going to steal this because I don't feel like paying for it." or "I'm not paying to see one fight". Are you joking? One fight? I guess barnett and rizzo, arlovski and rothwell, and all of the other great fights on the card are not worth watching.
And I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that along with everyone with a computer you've watched or listened to something for free on the internet. No way you've never watched a fight on a website because you couldn't watch it. Don't act like everyone who downloads shit is evil. That's just ridiculous. You sound like you're a member of Metalica when you talk like that.
moob
7/19/08 5:47:49AM
Posted by EliasG
Bragging about stealing and getting called out for it....oops on you. Dude was right. If you like a sport support. If you don't really care about its existence steal. I guarantee you, if you were standing around Dana White and joked that you were stealing some of his PPV's you wouldn't get a free pass. Don't feel bad that you got called out. Shouldn't have said it.
I can't get Affliction on PPV - so my only option is to 'steal' it - I'm a bad guy.
HMA123
7/22/08 2:20:25AM
Posted by FrankTheTank1181
With the price of gas and almost everything else going up, the bottom line for most people is Free Vs. Not Free. And no matter how good a card is most people will go with free. In my opinion, or course.
Pretty much you can watch both events, after every UFC card (on PPV) , if i dont buy it, then the next day ill just go on the internet somewhere and watch all the fights.. Thats how it is, so with one card being free, i dont see why anyone would want to pay when they can just look at any fight they want the next day..
EliasG
7/22/08 2:54:50AM
Posted by Boo_Radley21
Posted by EliasG
Now I will say that I don't "get" people who say they are huge fans of MMA and then say they would rather see the free UFC.
Alright so I'm getting pretty sick of reading this type of comment. Last time I checked guys, UFC was an MMA organization. So does that mean that someone who watches their card isn't an MMA fan? I don't understand how people can go around saying that you aren't a "true MMA fan" if you watch the UFC... .
This is why reading comprehension is so important in grade school. I never said you aren't a true MMA fan if you watch the UFC. If you would RATHER watch a free UFC fight card that is obviously inferior to the Affliction card, you aren't a huge fan. That's like skipping the Tyson v. Holyfield I fight because you'd rather watch a Friday Night Fight show on ESPN.
I like the UFC when they put on good shows. I pay and have paid for MANY of their PPV's when they are worth it. Why? I'm a fan. I watched Affliction because I'm a fan.
Btw, watching a fight AFTER it happens isn't stealing in my book. Watching a live feed stolen over the airwaves---well obviously that is.
LoSt
7/22/08 1:34:15PM
I agree with a lot of what Aether is saying but I think its important to realize that monetary constraints arent the only thing preventing people from shelling out money for a ppv.
I personally had to steam the affliction fights over the internet as that was my only chance to watch them live. I dont get ppv channels so ordering it isnt even an option, and I'm not old enough to get into a bar. None of my friends are interested in mma either so my options for ppvs are usually to catch it at bdubs (which wasnt playing the affliction card) or pirate it off the internet.
Not an ideal situation to be in but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to watch the sport.
I personally had to steam the affliction fights over the internet as that was my only chance to watch them live. I dont get ppv channels so ordering it isnt even an option, and I'm not old enough to get into a bar. None of my friends are interested in mma either so my options for ppvs are usually to catch it at bdubs (which wasnt playing the affliction card) or pirate it off the internet.
Not an ideal situation to be in but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to watch the sport.