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Wolfenstein
11/21/08 2:17:42PM
Fedor Emelianenko broke his silence about his Combat Sambo loss this past weekend, telling Dave Meltzer that it’s no biggie. Sambo’s just something he does for ***** and giggles. MMA is what he does for money:
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Darnok
11/21/08 2:23:59PM
When he loses its just a hobby, but when hes talking about a UFC contract Sambo is the most important thing. hmmmm
cmill21
11/21/08 2:33:45PM
Posted by Darnok
When he loses its just a hobby, but when hes talking about a UFC contract Sambo is the most important thing. hmmmm
Yeah that was the only reason he didn't sign with the UFC...
grappler0000
11/21/08 2:51:38PM
Posted by cmill21
Posted by Darnok
When he loses its just a hobby, but when hes talking about a UFC contract Sambo is the most important thing. hmmmm
Yeah that was the only reason he didn't sign with the UFC...
Well, he did say it was a major sticking point, if not the largest hurdle. I was actually surprised that this was his response, since this would be considered an excuse by most people's standards. I don't think it's really that big of deal that he lost, but still think it was pretty big news...maybe not comparable to when Rulon Gardner beat Karelin, but still significant. I'm sure that he was pressured by the media for a response and probably just spoke his mind.
cmill21
11/21/08 2:53:50PM
Posted by grappler0000
Posted by cmill21
Posted by Darnok
When he loses its just a hobby, but when hes talking about a UFC contract Sambo is the most important thing. hmmmm
Yeah that was the only reason he didn't sign with the UFC...
Well, he did say it was a major sticking point, if not the largest hurdle. I was actually surprised that this was his response, since this would be considered an excuse by most people's standards. I don't think it's really that big of deal that he lost, but still think it was pretty big news...maybe not comparable to when Rulon Gardner beat Karelin, but still significant. I'm sure that he was pressured by the media for a response and probably just spoke his mind.
I was under the impression that he wanted to own his fight footage, and that was the major sticking point, Sambo was something he woulden't give up either but I was told there were 4-5 things he wanted that the UFC would have no part in giving up.
dinex
11/21/08 3:09:07PM
Posted by grappler0000
Well, he did say it was a major sticking point, if not the largest hurdle. I was actually surprised that this was his response, since this would be considered an excuse by most people's standards. I don't think it's really that big of deal that he lost, but still think it was pretty big news...maybe not comparable to when Rulon Gardner beat Karelin, but still significant. I'm sure that he was pressured by the media for a response and probably just spoke his mind.
From what I remember it was never the largest hurdle. It was just one of many things. The champions clause, and the fact that the contract could be cut after any loss were some other reasons. Even if the UFC had allowed him to compete in combat sambo they were not close to signing any deal.
He was just being honest in this interview. He was respectful and spoke positively about his opponent after the loss.
MrGreeny
11/21/08 3:16:49PM
Hell YEAAAAH 
At least. And it's a loss from a bulgarian. I'm so proud.
You know, last year at the sambo world championship Blagoi 'Bagata' Ivanov was the only one not backing off, to fight with Fedor. And it was a pretty close fight. He deserves it.
Here is the bout: http://www.vbox7.com/play:819a59f7
It's poor quality, but it's something.
Respect, Baga!
At least. And it's a loss from a bulgarian. I'm so proud.
You know, last year at the sambo world championship Blagoi 'Bagata' Ivanov was the only one not backing off, to fight with Fedor. And it was a pretty close fight. He deserves it.
Here is the bout: http://www.vbox7.com/play:819a59f7
It's poor quality, but it's something.
Respect, Baga!
grappler0000
11/21/08 3:17:36PM
Posted by dinex
Posted by grappler0000
Well, he did say it was a major sticking point, if not the largest hurdle. I was actually surprised that this was his response, since this would be considered an excuse by most people's standards. I don't think it's really that big of deal that he lost, but still think it was pretty big news...maybe not comparable to when Rulon Gardner beat Karelin, but still significant. I'm sure that he was pressured by the media for a response and probably just spoke his mind.
From what I remember it was never the largest hurdle. It was just one of many things. The champions clause, and the fact that the contract could be cut after any loss were some other reasons. Even if the UFC had allowed him to compete in combat sambo they were not close to signing any deal.
He was just being honest in this interview. He was respectful and spoke positively about his opponent after the loss.
During negotiations, it was continually reported as the sticking point. I'm sure we all remember arguing why Dana couldn't just let him do his Sambo, so we could see him in the UFC. Most of the other complaints came about after the negotiations failed to come to fruition.
I realize that he was just speaking his mind, which is what I summed up with...my surprise to his response was a result of how people have notoriously taken statements like this as an excuse.
BIGKAT
11/21/08 3:20:58PM
This is simple and comes down to two things
1) It was a fight amongst two competitors under agreed rules regardless of pay.
2) Fedor is still Fedor and he lost the fight.
1) It was a fight amongst two competitors under agreed rules regardless of pay.
2) Fedor is still Fedor and he lost the fight.
dinex
11/21/08 3:27:55PM
Posted by grappler0000
During negotiations, it was continually reported as the sticking point. I'm sure we all remember arguing why Dana couldn't just let him do his Sambo, so we could see him in the UFC. Most of the other complaints came about after the negotiations failed to come to fruition.
I realize that he was just speaking his mind, which is what I summed up with...my surprise to his response was a result of how people have notoriously taken statements like this as an excuse.
Yes one of many sticking points. Never THE sticking point. I did a little search in the sherdog archives and looked at 2 articles from back then. And in both of them exclusivity, champions clause and guaranteed fights were mentioned as sticking points. Stuff like video rights and fighting in Russia were also mentioned. They were never close to signing a deal.
emfleek
11/21/08 3:37:23PM
Okay, Fedor. Please don't hit me!!!
grappler0000
11/21/08 3:56:33PM
Posted by dinex
Posted by grappler0000
During negotiations, it was continually reported as the sticking point. I'm sure we all remember arguing why Dana couldn't just let him do his Sambo, so we could see him in the UFC. Most of the other complaints came about after the negotiations failed to come to fruition.
I realize that he was just speaking his mind, which is what I summed up with...my surprise to his response was a result of how people have notoriously taken statements like this as an excuse.
Yes one of many sticking points. Never THE sticking point. I did a little search in the sherdog archives and looked at 2 articles from back then. And in both of them exclusivity, champions clause and guaranteed fights were mentioned as sticking points. Stuff like video rights and fighting in Russia were also mentioned. They were never close to signing a deal.
At one point ,it was THE reported sticking point. You can't honestly say "never" when you go back and read a couple of possibly dozens or hundreds of articles on the matter over several months. The purpose of negotiations is give and take and many of the smaller things were worked out over time, as with any contract negotiation. Originally, Fedor wasn't happy with the compensation, yet it wasn't an issue later on...remember the "2 million a fight" offer that everyone thought that Randy was delusional about? Big money makes other issues fall to the wayside and it appeared to in this case as well. On the other hand, for a promoter to pay a fighter multiple times the amount of their other top draws, they become restrictive on other terms. There were times when Fedor was far from signing, but I distinctly remember a time when it was close to being a real possibility.
dinex
11/21/08 4:32:25PM
I reread parts of the interview sherdog had with Fedor after it was clear it wasn't going to happen. So unless he is lying and I know nothing about the deal so I have to assume he isn't, they were never really close. I can honestly say that. We are both basically guessing so none of us can know for sure how close or not they were but saying that sambo was "THE reported sticking point" I'm going to assume is not true until you can show me a quote where this was reported. I know people were discussing it on forums and such but it was never really reported that it was the only barrier left between the 2 parts. Maybe you remember it that way because of all the internet discussion on it.
ChBubbaBoe
11/21/08 6:47:08PM
Ok if you want to hear about "the sticking points" then go to sherdog and watch the fedor training for Hong man choi video, where he says what the issues are (the loss and championship clause are the first thing he says, then sambo). Another thing a hobby is something someone enjoys doing, so seriously there is nothing wrong with his comments.
mrsmiley
11/21/08 7:54:02PM
Posted by dinex
Posted by grappler0000
During negotiations, it was continually reported as the sticking point. I'm sure we all remember arguing why Dana couldn't just let him do his Sambo, so we could see him in the UFC. Most of the other complaints came about after the negotiations failed to come to fruition.
I realize that he was just speaking his mind, which is what I summed up with...my surprise to his response was a result of how people have notoriously taken statements like this as an excuse.
Yes one of many sticking points. Never THE sticking point. I did a little search in the sherdog archives and looked at 2 articles from back then. And in both of them exclusivity, champions clause and guaranteed fights were mentioned as sticking points. Stuff like video rights and fighting in Russia were also mentioned. They were never close to signing a deal.
That pretty much sums it up.
Not to mention Finklestien wanted the UFC to co-promote with M-1.
That was the biggest hurdle in the negotiations in my opinion.
That and the fact Zuffa was not interested in any other Red Devil fighters.
I never remember hearing "sambo" was the main point.
Mainly it was the fans talking about how much BS it was he couldn't compete in Sambo tournments.
To the fans I think Sambo was the main sticking point.But to Fedor and his management,and the UFC it was alot more.
Red-Dragon
11/21/08 8:23:36PM
Whatever, Fedor is the best p4p MMAtist in the world. He lost a Sambo fight but put his opponent against him in a ring or cage and............
gabe531
11/21/08 9:39:17PM
Posted by Red-Dragon
Whatever, Fedor is the best p4p MMAtist in the world. He lost a Sambo fight but put his opponent against him in a ring or cage and............
maybe but with him saying its just a hobby is a spit in the opponents face he just fought. he lost in sambo thats it plain and simple. no need to make excuses up for any loss because everyone has an excuse if they want to use one. move on. fedor is fedor and is at the top with a.silva as the best in the world right now PERIOD!!
jakeiceman
11/21/08 9:45:38PM
Personaly I think its a "chink" in his armor. Its now proven that he is not invincible (albiet for the most part it has seemed otherwise) This is without a doubt an excuse. An elite fighter like Fedor wouldnt take any fight lightly regardless if it was for money or not. I bet Fedor gets pissed when he loses at paper, rock, scissors. This is a way of blowing it off like he doesnt care but you know he has to.
Do I think this loss translates to MMA?......maybe a little bit but it probably wont. But like I said, the guy ain't god and it was just proven that he can be beat.
Do I think this loss translates to MMA?......maybe a little bit but it probably wont. But like I said, the guy ain't god and it was just proven that he can be beat.
Jackelope
11/21/08 10:16:35PM
Posted by jakeiceman
Personaly I think its a "chink" in his armor. Its now proven that he is not invincible (albiet for the most part it has seemed otherwise) This is without a doubt an excuse. An elite fighter like Fedor wouldnt take any fight lightly regardless if it was for money or not. I bet Fedor gets pissed when he loses at paper, rock, scissors. This is a way of blowing it off like he doesnt care but you know he has to.
Do I think this loss translates to MMA?......maybe a little bit but it probably wont. But like I said, the guy ain't god and it was just proven that he can be beat.
Blasphemer!!!
LOL j.k.
Pookie
11/21/08 10:28:49PM
Taking the context into account this really just seems like him airing out his thoughts.
BIGKAT
11/22/08 1:13:51AM
Posted by Pookie
Taking the context into account this really just seems like him airing out his thoughts.
Really?
cmill21
11/22/08 3:13:01AM
Lol chink in the armour? I saw that fight, if sambo had mma style judging Fedor wins.
mrsmiley
11/22/08 5:24:17AM
i thought he's lost in Sambo before anyway?
Anyhow,I believe the biggest "chink" in Fedors armor is the fact he bleeds too much,as TK and Nog have already proved.
Anyhow,I believe the biggest "chink" in Fedors armor is the fact he bleeds too much,as TK and Nog have already proved.