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tomp6581
7/5/07 11:46:51PM
Fedor will lose eventually, he is just a man.......people hype him up too much in my opinion........dont get me wrong, he is by far my fav fighter, and I regard him as the best figther in the world (not just becasue of his record, but HOW he fights).........but a big element of why Fedor is so popular (to me anyway)....is that we have seen him in huge trouble on a few occaisions, we have seen him come SO CLOSE to losing, yet he always seems to find a way to win. Add to that the fact he is a very humble individual, who shows respect to everyoneone and that is why I like him.
If Fedor does come to UFC, the obvious thing would be so say that if he were to lose he would lose via a cut..........which is fair enough, as he does cut very easily.........but I am curious to see how fedor would cope with a world class grappler who is stronger/more powerfull than him.......someone who could possibly keep him on his back for a long period of time and GNP him. Josh Barnett? Gonzaga? Who Knows. But that is the sort of fighter who, in my opinion, would have the best chance of defeating him.
Aether
7/6/07 3:46:20AM
I don't deny that he will very likely lose at some point, but I disagree that we've seen him in huge trouble. The closest we've ever seen to a real lose was when Fujita made him stumble for about 1.5 seconds, at which point he IMMEDIATELY clinched to prevent any further damage, indicating he still had complete control of his faculties. He didn't fall over, and he made the PERFECT move given the situation. I honestly don't think we've seen him anywhere close to true defeat, but I agree that a very heavy grappler like barnett or gonzaga in an arena where elbows are legal is probably the most likely opponent to defeat him.
LR
7/6/07 9:40:20AM
mk, you need to read over my post again. I wasn't stating a kick to the groin was the same as an elbow, but it does have the same consequence in a fight when the kick and the elbow are both illegal. And in the case of the Fedor fight, the elbow was a DQ, not a point loss. Just as a kick to the groin would have also been a DQ.

I was stating that in the logic that Fedor still lost to an illegal elbow, that would be saying that if two fighters fought, and one just kicked a guy in the groin all match and even though he got DQ'd out of the fight, he still beat the other guy. MMA isn't street fighting though. So, in reality, he loses for not following simple rules.
jeremygreen
7/6/07 3:34:00PM
First you have to see if Randy can even get past Gonzaga, I see this being a tuff fight for Randy due to the fact that Randy can get submitted because Gonzaga is amazing at submissions, but I think Fedor vs. Arloski would be fun to see even though Arloskis last fun was pretty boring. I would expect it to be a slugfest and they would put on a show for the fans.
hippysmacker
7/6/07 3:44:37PM

Posted by jeremygreen

First you have to see if Randy can even get past Gonzaga, I see this being a tuff fight for Randy due to the fact that Randy can get submitted because Gonzaga is amazing at submissions, but I think Fedor vs. Arloski would be fun to see even though Arloskis last fun was pretty boring. I would expect it to be a slugfest and they would put on a show for the fans.



I would only give Arlovski a punchers chance against Fedor. He is one of the few HVY's with quicker hands than Fedor IMo, but that's all I see him having as an advantage. A multi world combat sambo champ vs a jr. combat sambo champ. I think Fedor wold take him down and GnP him to a stoppage in the first or second.
nubby
7/6/07 3:59:27PM

Posted by Aether


Don't look at it from the perspective of someone beating him because they are superior. All it takes is for someone like Randy to put him on the ground and push him into a corner and beat on him until a ref calls the fight.


I'm sorry but the only way one fighter takes another fighter down, push them into a corner, and beat them into a stoppage is if that fighter is a superior fighter. That's not something that happens as a result of luck or random chance. If that's how he loses he will simply have been outskilled. I don't think you can draw comparisons to the GSP fight because we've never really seen GSP get his chin tested, whereas fedor has taken some of the most brutal punishment I've seen a fighter take and the closest he's ever come to showing vulnerability is stumbling for about 2 seconds before regaining his composure. He didn't even fall back after eating that shot, he went straight for the clinch to close the punching distance, meaning he was obviously still completely coherent.

Only way I see him losing is a cut, because he does seem to cut relatively easily and elbows are the best way to open a cut. Actually I think Gonzaga has a WAY better chance to beat him than couture does, and I doubt that either of them can do it.



Before Couture fought Sylvia everyone was saying that they didn't think Couture would be able to win beause Sylvia has a great reach advantage, a size advantage and because Sylvia had an excellent sprawl. The thing is, Couture knew all that and lead with a punch that caused Sylvia's game to collapse momentarily. Because of that momentary lapse of skill, Couture controlled the rest of the fight. That's all it will take for Randy to do the same thing to fedor. He will get a kick in or he will get a take down or he will throw a right uppercut. Something... I don't know what, but something will go down that causes Fedor to have a momentary lapse in skill like Sylvia, like Chuck in their first fight. Randy is resourceful, strong as an ox, smart, and determined.
tepid55
7/6/07 4:11:22PM
How is he going to loose? He's the most well-rounded fighter the sport of MMA has ever seen.
LR
7/6/07 4:22:27PM
Hmm, I guess I was against the majority when Couture fought Sylvia. I thought Sylvia looked like a large fat farm boy who was out of shape and never really displayed a power factor. I mean, anyone with that size and some skill would do fairly well, but against Couture, I chose Couture based on the fact that Randy is much more tenacious. Sylvia had a few fights leading up to that where he was standing back too much, specifically the Assuerio Silva fight.
nubby
7/6/07 4:22:46PM
Everyone loses.
Jujiden
7/6/07 4:38:25PM
The ONLY way I see Fedor losing right now is that he starts off too timid, however I have never seen a timid Fedor in the ring. If he bides his time and chooses not to overwhelm his opponent, he may eat a few or allow an opening for a strike or takedown that could mean the end of him. Fedor is above all an intellectual fighter who examines every situation possible in the fight. It would take an unorthodox fighter who is extrememly skilled and confident in his game to topple Fedor. Even if you find a superior BJJ expert, Fedor's Sambo offers too many escapes to hold him down for long. You would have to weaken the man to submit him, and that's not easy to do. Plus, Big Nog is an excellent grappler, but had no chance against Fedor's superior anit-guard offense. It is, and always will be an interesting discussion until he shows up in UFC.

If he dominated, there would be no question in my mind that he's the best EVER. But, if he lost fair and square, once, then he'd be hell to deal with after, because then he'd be hungry again, and I would pity any fighter who would be in his way then.

Everyone wants a piee of Fedor. What do they have to lose? Nothing. You get beat by Fedor, so what, he's Fedor. But if you beat him, even once, and then in a rematch get beaten by him, who cares, you would be the first to ever beat Fedor fair and square.

Fedor in the UFC would make for a lot of people going up in weight to have a crack at him and would make for all the fighters to raise the calibur of their game.
LR
7/6/07 4:59:06PM
I think if he breaks someone's arm or nearly puts someone in a coma, then it'd be interesting to hear the thoughts of some fighters.
GDK
7/6/07 5:57:05PM
Fedor won't lose for quite some time
He's focused
pv3Hpv3p
7/6/07 6:07:21PM

Posted by TheHitmanTL

i dont know but i think fedors first real loss will come in the UFC....1st off anybody can be beaten 2nd off just look what happend to cro cop...everyone though he was gonna dominate the heavyweight division but look what happnd he got KTFOed and i think that is the same thing that is gonna happen to fedor...dont get me wrong fedor is a great fighter i just dislike the fact that everyone thinks he is unbeatable well lemme tell you somethin theres a monster in the UFC heavyweight division named the natural RANDY FREAKIN COUTURE who i think will beat fedor due to GNP 2nd round......ive counted randy couture out way too many times to EVER count him out again.....for his first fight i say put him up against arlovski in a main event UFN card so all the "mainstream" fans get to know who fedor is but i dont like the fact that everyone thinks that fedor is unbeatable...its unbelievable



This isn't right... Some would say that CC came to the UFC because he couldn't and didn't beat Fedor (not me, but I'm sure you've heard the argument)... Mirko and Fedor are completely different fighters... Fedor is MUCH more well rounded, while Mirko has been able to capatalize on his superior striking throughout most of his MMA career.

If and when Fedor comes to the UFC, he will get an immediate title shot... Russians are traditionally a proud people, and I think he'd see a fight on a UFN as a slap in the face...

If / when Randy and Fedor fight, I see it going a lot like Randy / Ricco did or like Nog / Fedor did... Fedor is the guy that literally redefined the ground and pound, and I don't think there's a lot of folks around that can take punishment like Nog...

I love Couture just as much as anyone, but I don't see a fighter like Fedor losing any time soon.
keith-hackney1
7/6/07 6:34:37PM
I see fedor struggling against GG. He's the real deal. i called it before he ko'd CC. Wrestlers all fight the same against fedor, sure enough coleman and lindland had no problem taking fedor down, but they both got arm barred, coleman twice. I see couture struggling with fedor on the mat, thats if he gets past those skud missiles that fedor throws on the feet, he's gonna have a really hard time controlling fedor and defending that arm bar as fedor whips up those hips in a flash.
Noguiera has come the closest to beating fedor, i think if he had a better striking game and abit more control on his ground game he would be the only heavyweight to take out fedor, Im interested to see how well he performs tomorrow in the octagon.

until GG came along, i didnt believe any heavyweight out there could pose any threat to fedor, but i called first, GG is fedors test, and the best part about it all if they fight is that they will fight in the ufc cage and not the pridefc ring. GG has shown us that he can strike, stay out of strikers range, takedown fighters, G&P, submit and controll a fight. Also he's heavy on the ground, he'll have a better chance at controlling fedor as apposed to someone like noguiera. Thats what its gonna take to hand fedor his long awaited loss.
Im going for a GG win if fedor and he fight.
Northrend
7/6/07 7:30:25PM
Why are people comparing CC going to UFC and Fedor going to the UFC? CC was not in the right mental state to be a champion..fights COMPLETELY different then Fedor and is different fighter all together. Fedor on the other hand is focused, would utilize the elbows not have them as a disadvantage and would benefit from the cage..not be weakened by it. Oh and someone said Vera had a 45% chance of sub'ing him..no way!
adamsb
7/6/07 9:08:12PM
fedor is going to say at bodog they r most likely going to give him a big ass contract
cmill21
7/6/07 9:11:29PM
No, he wants to fight the best fighters, that means, Mirko, Nog, Coture, ect. There are only 2 of the top 10 heavyweights not in the UFC and thats Barnett and yes Fedor.
adamsb
7/6/07 9:31:57PM
i think bodog is going to give fedor a butt load of money to keep him there because he is really there only draw cuz who else do they have
hippysmacker
7/7/07 12:28:19AM
He lives in Russia. He's already filthy rich by the standards of his country. he will probably get a million a fight from the UFC, plus a big signing bonus according to Josh Gross. Even if he is getting 3 times that from Bodog, why tarnish his legacy. He's a competitor, and I think he will want top competition.
ncordless
7/7/07 6:32:27AM
IF Fedor comes to the UFC and stays the rest of his career, then yes he will lose in the UFC... as time goes by he will fall prey to either luck or old age.

He is the greatest fighter of all time in my opinion... but Ali lost, Gable lost, Sugar Ray lost, Federer lost, in sports everyone loses eventually.

It won't be to Randy. Randy is old... and while he still has game, Fedor out gameplans even Randy.

If Gonzaga continues to improve, he might have the best shot in the near future. GG and Vera are both young and have alot of time to keep improving. So they would be my choices.

ncordless
7/7/07 6:37:26AM

Posted by Northrend

Why are people comparing CC going to UFC and Fedor going to the UFC? CC was not in the right mental state to be a champion..fights COMPLETELY different then Fedor and is different fighter all together. Fedor on the other hand is focused, would utilize the elbows not have them as a disadvantage and would benefit from the cage..not be weakened by it. Oh and someone said Vera had a 45% chance of sub'ing him..no way!



Vera has a .000001% chance of getting a sub on Fedor....

Vera is totally Muay Thai. He might sub him with a liver kick...
LR
7/7/07 1:07:59PM
I have been saying this for quite some time.

Bodog has a legitimate chance at Fedor. They can sign him to a 4-6 fight deal and make it non-exclusive. UFC will never give Fedor a title shot though if he is non-exclusive because then it would be taken overseas and they'd have to give him a huge amount of money for the fights.

Bodog flat out has a good chance based on the fact that:

A.) Red Devil team that Fedor trains has a huge presence in Bodog
B.) They hold events in Moscow
C.) They are willing to give Fedor teammates contracts (ie. already been done)
D.) They will make his contract non-exclusive (ie. Lindland fight was just a one fight thing, no attachments)
E.) Bodog is backed by billionaires in the casino industry, money isn't a problem.

Damien6663
7/7/07 3:12:59PM

Posted by ProfessorChaos

Wow this forum is getting worse and worse by the day. Can you guys name 1 area in which Randy is better than Fedor?



easy wrestling......randy is a world class wrestler.

Fedor while a great fighter is beatable, i also believe he will not run through the UFC heavyweight diviision, fedor has not fought a top 10 hw since crocop, i woildnt be surprised if a ring rusty fedor makes his ufc debut against a tough fighter like arlovski or tim, and is upset.

Bash away, no1 is unbeatable.
Aether
7/7/07 4:12:20PM

Posted by Damien6663


Posted by ProfessorChaos

Wow this forum is getting worse and worse by the day. Can you guys name 1 area in which Randy is better than Fedor?



easy wrestling......randy is a world class wrestler.

Fedor while a great fighter is beatable, i also believe he will not run through the UFC heavyweight diviision, fedor has not fought a top 10 hw since crocop, i woildnt be surprised if a ring rusty fedor makes his ufc debut against a tough fighter like arlovski or tim, and is upset.

Bash away, no1 is unbeatable.



Mark Hunt isn't a top heavyweight? Even if your statement were true, which it isn't, he has already beaten every top heavyweight he's had the opportunity to beat outside of his brother and his teammate sergei. The only reason he hasn't fought Barnett yet is because they both got injuries around the times they had an opportunity to face one another. You're right that no one is unbeatable, but to say that Fedor would have ring rust because the only people he's faced over the past year are Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman, and Matt Lindland seems a little ridiculous to me personally.
ProfessorChaos
7/7/07 4:44:05PM

Posted by Damien6663


Posted by ProfessorChaos

Wow this forum is getting worse and worse by the day. Can you guys name 1 area in which Randy is better than Fedor?



easy wrestling......randy is a world class wrestler.

Fedor while a great fighter is beatable, i also believe he will not run through the UFC heavyweight diviision, fedor has not fought a top 10 hw since crocop, i woildnt be surprised if a ring rusty fedor makes his ufc debut against a tough fighter like arlovski or tim, and is upset.

Bash away, no1 is unbeatable.



Fedor is very good in Judo and Sambo which are 2 of the 4 big wrestling arts. I'd say their wrestling is pretty much even, given that Fedor is also much stronger.

Umm Randy hasn't fought a top 10 hw in years. Sylvia is not top 10 sorry.

Arlovski and Tim= tough fighters... hahahaha
GWD
7/7/07 5:13:43PM
I agree that Fedor is possibly the better wrestler of the two, but the same takedown that almost put Fedor onhis back is Randy's bread and butter. Although comparing Lindland's wrestling ability to Couture is quite a stretch, it is the same technique. However, as much as Randy is awe-inspiring at 43, his chances against Fedor (if he makes it past Gonzaga) are not looking good.

Someone brought up a good point about GG though, since he did beat CC, but how would his stand-up fair against someone who isn't afraid of getting taken down? Against Werdum, he didn't look that great (albeit it was a long time ago). And to think that he got owned standing by someone who has the girliest standup in MMA right now, doesn't make me think any higher of his chances to fair well standing against Fedor. But that was a while ago.

I honestly think that of anyone it would be Gonzaga.
I think being completely aggressive is the only way for him to be beat though.
And even then, it would probably go to the judges.
Damien6663
7/7/07 8:19:41PM

Posted by Aether


Posted by Damien6663


Posted by ProfessorChaos

Wow this forum is getting worse and worse by the day. Can you guys name 1 area in which Randy is better than Fedor?



easy wrestling......randy is a world class wrestler.

Fedor while a great fighter is beatable, i also believe he will not run through the UFC heavyweight diviision, fedor has not fought a top 10 hw since crocop, i woildnt be surprised if a ring rusty fedor makes his ufc debut against a tough fighter like arlovski or tim, and is upset.

Bash away, no1 is unbeatable.



Mark Hunt isn't a top heavyweight? Even if your statement were true, which it isn't, he has already beaten every top heavyweight he's had the opportunity to beat outside of his brother and his teammate sergei. The only reason he hasn't fought Barnett yet is because they both got injuries around the times they had an opportunity to face one another. You're right that no one is unbeatable, but to say that Fedor would have ring rust because the only people he's faced over the past year are Mark Hunt, Mark Coleman, and Matt Lindland seems a little ridiculous to me personally.



Mark Coleman has been washed up since 2001, and matt lindland is a 185ib fighter. Hunt? come on the guys lost to everu decent grappler he has fought.
Damien6663
7/7/07 8:25:47PM

Posted by ProfessorChaos


Posted by Damien6663


Posted by ProfessorChaos

Wow this forum is getting worse and worse by the day. Can you guys name 1 area in which Randy is better than Fedor?



easy wrestling......randy is a world class wrestler.

Fedor while a great fighter is beatable, i also believe he will not run through the UFC heavyweight diviision, fedor has not fought a top 10 hw since crocop, i woildnt be surprised if a ring rusty fedor makes his ufc debut against a tough fighter like arlovski or tim, and is upset.

Bash away, no1 is unbeatable.



Fedor is very good in Judo and Sambo which are 2 of the 4 big wrestling arts. I'd say their wrestling is pretty much even, given that Fedor is also much stronger.

Umm Randy hasn't fought a top 10 hw in years. Sylvia is not top 10 sorry.

Arlovski and Tim= tough fighters... hahahaha



Yes sylvia was top 10 when randy beat him. Once again training judo and sambo is different then being a world class wrestler, Randy can and would take fedor to the matt.


But hey every1 here has a man crush on fedor, and he has to be the best in the world at all aspects of the fight game, to say otherwise is blasphemy.

ProfessorChaos
7/7/07 10:24:51PM
Being a world class wrestler is also different than being one of the best Sambo practicioners in the world. He is also younger and stronger. Stop the Randy love. Fedor>Randy and it's not even close.

Sylvia may have had the title...but he had no respect. Vera would have taken him out instead of Couture if he accepted the fight.
Sim_Sam
7/8/07 3:12:51AM
BAHAHA! Barring some disasterous performance Fedor is gonna utterly destroy most of if not all the UFC heavy-weight divisioin. As previousely mentioned Mirko and Big Nog are his only real threats...but Fedor is REALLY good at countering even Nogs sub attempts...Fedor simply is just too aggressive, explosive, and a better fighter overall to have much trouble in UFC. Lol, but hopefully he learned a lesson from Mirko and actually trains in the cage... Oh, and if Josh Barnett comes to America, that would be a better fight for Fedor as well.
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