Fedor = The Kiss of Death???

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POLL: Is Fedor a bad investment???
YES 31% (9)
NO 69% (20)
Kracker_Jap
4/6/08 7:29:31PM
With it being just a few days away since the last time Fedor has fought a competitor with a decent MMA record, (A guy fighting way above his normal mma weight)

I started thinking after seeing it mentioned on a different thread....

Is the UFC better with out the P4P number on ranked fighter???

I mean how much has he helped Pride, Bodog and M-1 ????

I think the UFC is better off with out him

Your Thoughts??????
Twenty20Dollars
4/6/08 7:33:52PM
not really better w/o him because they can market him like crazy, and bring him in and then maybe set up the randy vs fedor fight in the ufc, then throw big nog in there and arlovski

but i think he losses some fights if he comes to the ufc.
Copenhagen
4/6/08 7:33:52PM
IMO the UFC should definitely invest in someone who has beaten their current interim HW champ twice.
mrliquid
4/6/08 7:38:23PM
He is a big name so why not use that to your advantage it would be a good investment for the UFC and he would be fighting top comp finally.
dstlvb
4/6/08 7:46:33PM
Pride didnt fold because of Fedor, and the other two orgs tried to build everything around one guy. No org can stand on one guy. The UFC is built on much more and Fedor can only enhance there standing. Fedor is one of the last fighters out there that people hold on to. Its a win/win for the UFC. He comes in and dominates and the UFC has the best in the world and has pretty much proved it. He comes in and losses and the UFC has always had the best fighters.
seanfu
4/6/08 8:11:30PM
He's getting older, the American fans don't really know him, and with the contract he demands the UFC could possibly be making a bad investment if they go for it. Besides, they'll be facing a new problem, who's he going to fight?
Nogueria has been beaten twice by him. There's not a lot of hype riding with that one.

Even if he did and one ... why continue. Bad investment, the end.
JimiMak
4/6/08 10:12:18PM
Rings is also out of business. When he wins a belt, it's time for the co to stop exhisting. Sad really. Not worth the investment at all.




Funny thing is I think I might've made the joke you're talking about. It's funny cuz it's true.
Kracker_Jap
4/6/08 10:29:24PM

Posted by JimiMak

Rings is also out of business. When he wins a belt, it's time for the co to stop exhisting. Sad really. Not worth the investment at all.




Funny thing is I think I might've made the joke you're talking about. It's funny cuz it's true.



Honestly it kinda was a joke
WhiteWidow
4/7/08 12:09:50AM
a bad investment because he would domiante the division?..... thats a stupid thought, Dana knows deep down Fedor is the best and would beat Randy cage or ring, Fedor has beaten many who are better than Randy and Randy has lost to worse competition that Nog and Fedor have beaten.... and Nog is the UFC champ cus Randy is ducking him, yes ive heard all the excuses for Randy I dont buy it so dont reply to that part, hes in his so called "prime" and yet dodges his contract and hopes for a very slim chance at beating the best, he was even offered 3 million in russia to fight Fedor but turned it down

by the way how many heavyweights could actually beat Hong Man Choi?... is the record system really your base argument for legit competition? Kongo and Sylvia the tallest guys in the division would probably lose to him since there both standup fighters and Hong Man Choi is a K-1 champ
cmill21
4/7/08 12:29:02AM
Well the man is a human hilight reel, and the UFC owns all of his Pride highlights, In all honesty he's perfect for the UFC, he's a ground specialist who can sub anyone and if he gets on top you are in trouble. The only problem is that he cuts easily and IMHO thats why he hasn't and won't sign in the UFC or anywhere else that allows elbows. If I was Dana I would sign him.
Kracker_Jap
4/7/08 1:06:03AM

Posted by WhiteWidow



by the way how many heavyweights could actually beat Hong Man Choi?... is the record system really your base argument for legit competition? Kongo and Sylvia the tallest guys in the division would probably lose to him since there both standup fighters and Hong Man Choi is a K-1 champ



I wouldn't say a great record in MMA is the base but clearly you have to take in consideration, right....

You your self gave your argument about Randy??? Well than take that point of view record wise and use it towards Choi...

By the way I think there are a ton of heavy weights that could beat Choi.... Every heavy weight that could take him down and rip his head or arm off....

Because we all know how much take down and sub defence he got in his years in K-1



By the way your avatar is borderline offensive....
bullettdodger
4/7/08 3:03:27AM

Bad investment, he costs a lot of money, and unless you're raking it in having to pay fedor will nix almost any capital gained, not to mention the rest of the fighter's purese, thecost to put on the event, including your staff, renting the place, getting vendors... all your moneys belong to fedor... as it were.
WhiteWidow
4/7/08 4:04:54AM

Posted by Kracker_Jap


Posted by WhiteWidow



by the way how many heavyweights could actually beat Hong Man Choi?... is the record system really your base argument for legit competition? Kongo and Sylvia the tallest guys in the division would probably lose to him since there both standup fighters and Hong Man Choi is a K-1 champ



I wouldn't say a great record in MMA is the base but clearly you have to take in consideration, right....

You your self gave your argument about Randy??? Well than take that point of view record wise and use it towards Choi...

By the way I think there are a ton of heavy weights that could beat Choi.... Every heavy weight that could take him down and rip his head or arm off....

Because we all know how much take down and sub defence he got in his years in K-1



By the way your avatar is borderline offensive....



yeah but do you see kongo or sylvia taking him down? i was just using some examples of top HWs that wouldnt do well standing more less.....and how is my avatar offensive, its funny.....hes the spider....if he catches you (metephorically) he's gonna F*** you, did you read his shirt? "I F*** on the first date" standing next to a hot blond chick.....its funny dont be uptight sheesh
Kracker_Jap
4/7/08 10:14:42AM

Posted by WhiteWidow


Posted by Kracker_Jap


Posted by WhiteWidow



by the way how many heavyweights could actually beat Hong Man Choi?... is the record system really your base argument for legit competition? Kongo and Sylvia the tallest guys in the division would probably lose to him since there both standup fighters and Hong Man Choi is a K-1 champ



I wouldn't say a great record in MMA is the base but clearly you have to take in consideration, right....

You your self gave your argument about Randy??? Well than take that point of view record wise and use it towards Choi...

By the way I think there are a ton of heavy weights that could beat Choi.... Every heavy weight that could take him down and rip his head or arm off....

Because we all know how much take down and sub defence he got in his years in K-1



By the way your avatar is borderline offensive....



yeah but do you see kongo or sylvia taking him down? i was just using some examples of top HWs that wouldnt do well standing more less.....and how is my avatar offensive, its funny.....hes the spider....if he catches you (metephorically) he's gonna F*** you, did you read his shirt? "I F*** on the first date" standing next to a hot blond chick.....its funny dont be uptight sheesh



No I get it but kinda worry about the younger people/kids and woman who post on here.......

The big white bud avatar was better but still on the edge,,,,

I don't see big Timmy trying in the fight but do see Kongo over powering Choi in the clinch and using bad tenique to take him down and crush him
CantAndleDaRiddum
4/7/08 4:50:54PM
i gotta say he is not a bad investment for your org.
JimiMak
4/7/08 5:25:55PM
They just don't get it.
WhiteWidow
4/7/08 6:03:15PM

Posted by bullettdodger


Bad investment, he costs a lot of money, and unless you're raking it in having to pay fedor will nix almost any capital gained, not to mention the rest of the fighter's purese, thecost to put on the event, including your staff, renting the place, getting vendors... all your moneys belong to fedor... as it were.



huh? the UFC IS raking in many millions, they could sign fedor to almost any contract he wanted within reason, if dana and fedor were best buds he'd sign him to whatever he wants and would probably be the highest paid MMA fighter ever
Kracker_Jap
4/7/08 7:47:59PM

Posted by WhiteWidow


Posted by bullettdodger


Bad investment, he costs a lot of money, and unless you're raking it in having to pay fedor will nix almost any capital gained, not to mention the rest of the fighter's purese, thecost to put on the event, including your staff, renting the place, getting vendors... all your moneys belong to fedor... as it were.



huh? the UFC IS raking in many millions, they could sign fedor to almost any contract he wanted within reason, if dana and fedor were best buds he'd sign him to whatever he wants and would probably be the highest paid MMA fighter ever



I agree with you I wish I was danas best friend so he would sign me as a commentator
jiujitsufreak74
4/7/08 8:00:24PM
he is a bad investment now imo. as MMA fans we are tainted with our answer. most of us would say "no" just because we would like to see him fight in another organization very soon. as fans we just want to see him back in the ring/cage, preferably against better competition, and the company that does that for us will be considered to be doing us a favor. but if you step aside and try to look at it as objectively as possible, it appears to be a bad investment. let's take the UFC. the UFC, as was mentioned, does have the flow of revenue able to support Fedor without sustaining too much damage which is not something a lot of companies can say. well the UFC's fan base is not the one that is going to reap the most benefits from Fedor. Fedor draws the most money from overseas particularly in Japan, Russia and Western Europe. now some could say that this would open the UFC world wide easier by appealing to these markets but i am not so sure. i mean it is possible, but i don't think the UFC is ready to branch out like that just yet, maybe in a few years, but for now it is just testing the waters of England so it will be a while before it branches out further. now, imo, Chuck Liddell is a way bigger draw in the US then Fedor and would thus produce more revenue then Fedor for the UFC. so to pay Fedor ridiculous amounts of money without too much benefit is a bad investment. just think about it, is it really worth it to spend the most money ever on a MMA contract to get a guy who isn't even a bigger draw then Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture or even Anderson Silva? why pay Fedor more then those guys if he doesn't bring in more money. from a business perspective the answer is you wouldn't. Fedor is a big draw to us hardcore fans, yes, but to the casual fan i don't think he can be a bigger draw then the names i already mentioned. so...if you have read this far....i think that it would in fact be a bad investment...and this was just for the UFC. now for other organizations it is a bad investment because you wouldn't be able to sustain his pay pure and simple.

anyway just my 2 cents
NatedawgThaM
4/7/08 8:59:38PM
No it's not a bad investment. Dana has said numerous times the UFC is all about the fans. The UFC is all about making the best and biggest fights between the best fighters, and no doubt thanks to his resume, Fedor is one of the best. Not to mention the 2 wins over the current champ.

If the UFC does not sign him because of money or because of dominance, then shame on them for being liar's saying they will put on the biggest fights between the best fighters no matter what.
jiujitsufreak74
4/7/08 9:04:34PM

Posted by NatedawgThaM

No it's not a bad investment. Dana has said numerous times the UFC is all about the fans. The UFC is all about making the best and biggest fights between the best fighters, and no doubt thanks to his resume, Fedor is one of the best. Not to mention the 2 wins over the current champ.

If the UFC does not sign him because of money or because of dominance, then shame on them for being liar's saying they will put on the biggest fights between the best fighters no matter what.



yea but profit to cost ratio wouldn't be high enough to make this a good investment. we are not talking about the UFC's promises, we are talking about whether getting Fedor would be bad for an organization, and as i alluded in post it would be bad for any organization including the UFC, at least at the rate he is asking for. he is just not worth the risk money wise to invest in, which is the question the TS is asking, at least imo.
bullettdodger
4/7/08 11:46:09PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

he is a bad investment now imo. as MMA fans we are tainted with our answer. most of us would say "no" just because we would like to see him fight in another organization very soon. as fans we just want to see him back in the ring/cage, preferably against better competition, and the company that does that for us will be considered to be doing us a favor. but if you step aside and try to look at it as objectively as possible, it appears to be a bad investment. let's take the UFC. the UFC, as was mentioned, does have the flow of revenue able to support Fedor without sustaining too much damage which is not something a lot of companies can say. well the UFC's fan base is not the one that is going to reap the most benefits from Fedor. Fedor draws the most money from overseas particularly in Japan, Russia and Western Europe. now some could say that this would open the UFC world wide easier by appealing to these markets but i am not so sure. i mean it is possible, but i don't think the UFC is ready to branch out like that just yet, maybe in a few years, but for now it is just testing the waters of England so it will be a while before it branches out further. now, imo, Chuck Liddell is a way bigger draw in the US then Fedor and would thus produce more revenue then Fedor for the UFC. so to pay Fedor ridiculous amounts of money without too much benefit is a bad investment. just think about it, is it really worth it to spend the most money ever on a MMA contract to get a guy who isn't even a bigger draw then Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture or even Anderson Silva? why pay Fedor more then those guys if he doesn't bring in more money. from a business perspective the answer is you wouldn't. Fedor is a big draw to us hardcore fans, yes, but to the casual fan i don't think he can be a bigger draw then the names i already mentioned. so...if you have read this far....i think that it would in fact be a bad investment...and this was just for the UFC. now for other organizations it is a bad investment because you wouldn't be able to sustain his pay pure and simple.

anyway just my 2 cents



exactly
JimiMak
4/8/08 12:00:19AM
Where does everyone get the idea that he has that big of a selling name in the US? He doesn't. He's never sold an event at huge ratio in the US. We are the smart mma fans. The average guy that watches these events barely knows who Fedor is, and the longer from the PRIDE buyout things go the less they care. The average attitude is "if he's so good why have I never even seen him fight".

Noone knew who Nog was, that's why he couldn't come right in. Most of the ppl in the US knew who CC was cuz of UFC's promo's for him.

Fedor is not a better seller, right now, than the UFC champ. JMO. Why does no other org think he's worth it either? M1 makes a % off him. Not the other way around.
WhiteWidow
4/8/08 2:35:01AM

Posted by JimiMak

Where does everyone get the idea that he has that big of a selling name in the US? He doesn't. He's never sold an event at huge ratio in the US. We are the smart mma fans. The average guy that watches these events barely knows who Fedor is, and the longer from the PRIDE buyout things go the less they care. The average attitude is "if he's so good why have I never even seen him fight".

Noone knew who Nog was, that's why he couldn't come right in. Most of the ppl in the US knew who CC was cuz of UFC's promo's for him.

Fedor is not a better seller, right now, than the UFC champ. JMO. Why does no other org think he's worth it either? M1 makes a % off him. Not the other way around.



the point is, the average american mma fan dosnt really know fedor or know how good he is.... seeing him fight and beat the best in the UFC is when he will sell lots of tickets.... THEN he becomes a very popular and therefore worth whatever dana throws his way, i already said this but if dana and fedor were best buddys fedor would be the highest paid mma fighter ever...besides the guy is undefeated, that alone gives him a "superman" status and seeing as how hes beaten some of the best in the world
JimiMak
4/8/08 7:07:31PM

Posted by WhiteWidow


Posted by JimiMak

Where does everyone get the idea that he has that big of a selling name in the US? He doesn't. He's never sold an event at huge ratio in the US. We are the smart mma fans. The average guy that watches these events barely knows who Fedor is, and the longer from the PRIDE buyout things go the less they care. The average attitude is "if he's so good why have I never even seen him fight".

Noone knew who Nog was, that's why he couldn't come right in. Most of the ppl in the US knew who CC was cuz of UFC's promo's for him.

Fedor is not a better seller, right now, than the UFC champ. JMO. Why does no other org think he's worth it either? M1 makes a % off him. Not the other way around.



the point is, the average american mma fan dosnt really know fedor or know how good he is.... seeing him fight and beat the best in the UFC is when he will sell lots of tickets.... THEN he becomes a very popular and therefore worth whatever dana throws his way, i already said this but if dana and fedor were best buddys fedor would be the highest paid mma fighter ever...besides the guy is undefeated, that alone gives him a "superman" status and seeing as how hes beaten some of the best in the world



I bet this fight against Tim shows that even against a former UFC champ and a recognizable (to unknowing fans) name, it's gonna sell well. But that isn't where Randy's big pay day is.
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