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Manfred
11/25/07 10:17:40PM
wapttn
11/25/07 10:37:58PM
crazy russians..
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
tuvok500
11/25/07 10:43:22PM
Posted by wapttn
crazy russians..
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
george112
11/25/07 10:47:27PM
Posted by wapttn
crazy russians..
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
sure he shouldnt have said those words about him getting the top competition but like he said he can fight champions from OTHER organizations because m-1 isnt some power hungry company like the UFC..its the UFCs fault if fedor never faces any UFC champ..i dont kno why there so greedy an just wont cooperate
Manfred
11/25/07 11:12:31PM
Posted by wapttn
crazy russians..
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
Notice his words "ARRANGE the fights" Fedor was making the point that they will let him fight in other orgs. and even put a clause in his contact for arranging and paying to fight other champs.
I know what you're saying, but I think he meant that M-1 will let him and even help him fight top competition even if it's outside M-1.
There is a good chance that this could take off and fighters will be drawn to the idea of not being one organizatons B*tch
wapttn
11/26/07 12:27:36AM
i know what you guys are saying, but he knew about how the ufc operates and how their fighters only fight in the ufc, against ufc contracted fighters. He can try and make it out to look like he wants to fight in the ufc, but he made the choice to fight opponents outside of the ufc by signing outside of the ufc. Only nhl teams can play nhl teams, only nfl teams can play nfl teams.. thats how sucessful pro sport organizations work and you cant blame the ufc for trying to follow suit. At the end of the day, fedor signed with m-1, and its bs for him to say that he did it to fight top competition because everyone who follows mma knows that most of the top talent is in the ufc.
Hurricaneg
11/26/07 12:29:22AM
I would rather see all fighters under one org just because it benefits the fans. NHL NFL ect all have the best in their league and they produce the best action for their sport.
Lord_Lenny
11/26/07 12:39:39AM
Posted by george112
Posted by wapttn
crazy russians..
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
thats a load of crap. its understandable to say that you signed with ur own manager's promotion out of loyalty, because you want to promote mma in russia, because you felt the contract clauses were unfair and too constricting.. but saying that you signed with them so you could fight the best fighters out there? nog/couture/sylvia/gonzaga/arlovski/werdum/crocop/kongo... all under the ufc right now. You dont sign with M1 for top competition
sure he shouldnt have said those words about him getting the top competition but like he said he can fight champions from OTHER organizations because m-1 isnt some power hungry company like the UFC..its the UFCs fault if fedor never faces any UFC champ..i dont kno why there so greedy an just wont cooperate
i see what you're saying but they cant bend to the will of one man, even if it is Fedor, it would be one thing if he wanted more money, but his management was demanding ridiculous things. If they let him compete in other MA competitions, they would have to let others do that, meaning there would be more injuries and they would have to work fights around MA competitions. If the UFC wants to do a Russian show, they will, but putting that in the contract as one of the stipulations is ridiculous
Fedor's Management are the greedy ones, they were looking to leach off the UFC to strengthen their company and using Fedor as the bait
wapttn
11/26/07 12:58:07AM
not bait.. leverage. and i think in the final contract that the ufc put on the table, they let fedor do combat sambo (who's gonna hurt fedor in sambo? ppl are too scared to even show up). I think the determining clause was the one where finklestein insisted upon having co-promotions between m-1 and the ufc. Seriously? how is that in the best interest of fedor? For me, thats about as obvious as the situation gets.
Bottom line, dont really know what happened behind closed doors.. we dont know the specifics of the contracts, and we dont know what the final demands were before both sides gave up. What we do know is that fedors manager refused to sign a contract, and one of the more significant reasons is that the ufc refused some level of affiliation with fedor's manager's fight organization.. at the end of the day, that should have nothing to do with whether or not fedor fights in the ufc.
Bottom line, dont really know what happened behind closed doors.. we dont know the specifics of the contracts, and we dont know what the final demands were before both sides gave up. What we do know is that fedors manager refused to sign a contract, and one of the more significant reasons is that the ufc refused some level of affiliation with fedor's manager's fight organization.. at the end of the day, that should have nothing to do with whether or not fedor fights in the ufc.
xAcidburNx
11/26/07 3:01:11AM
Posted by wapttn
not bait.. leverage. and i think in the final contract that the ufc put on the table, they let fedor do combat sambo (who's gonna hurt fedor in sambo? ppl are too scared to even show up). I think the determining clause was the one where finklestein insisted upon having co-promotions between m-1 and the ufc. Seriously? how is that in the best interest of fedor? For me, thats about as obvious as the situation gets.
Bottom line, dont really know what happened behind closed doors.. we dont know the specifics of the contracts, and we dont know what the final demands were before both sides gave up. What we do know is that fedors manager refused to sign a contract, and one of the more significant reasons is that the ufc refused some level of affiliation with fedor's manager's fight organization.. at the end of the day, that should have nothing to do with whether or not fedor fights in the ufc.
It was my understanding that what vadim had wanted was if the ufc went to russia. he wanted to be a part of it. not that he was asking the ufc to go there.
this is actually more of a question than a statement. just came out wrong .
I also think that running a fight organization like a team sport organization is a little different because of just that. Its a team vs team and you wouldnt want players leaving for something else mid seaser. where fighting is one on one and even in cases of team fighting its still one on one at all times. although having IFL running the top dogs of team fighters doesnt bother me all that much because these guys are still lower scale fighters and there is a lot more less qualified fighters out there then there are of the A Class.
roman
11/26/07 3:36:06AM
Posted by wapttn
i know what you guys are saying, but he knew about how the ufc operates and how their fighters only fight in the ufc, against ufc contracted fighters. He can try and make it out to look like he wants to fight in the ufc, but he made the choice to fight opponents outside of the ufc by signing outside of the ufc. Only nhl teams can play nhl teams, only nfl teams can play nfl teams.. thats how sucessful pro sport organizations work and you cant blame the ufc for trying to follow suit. At the end of the day, fedor signed with m-1, and its bs for him to say that he did it to fight top competition because everyone who follows mma knows that most of the top talent is in the ufc.
There isn't a single combat sport that works like that though. NHL/NFL and UFC is like apples and grease.
Manfred
11/26/07 5:34:18AM
Posted by Hurricaneg
I would rather see all fighters under one org just because it benefits the fans. NHL NFL ect all have the best in their league and they produce the best action for their sport.
If a football player feels like he is getting screwed, he has 31 other options.
How is that the same as having none?
jomatty
11/26/07 9:45:24AM
fedors crazy and randys crazy (even though before he left he was the most respected person in mma). you guys may want to consider that fedor did what is best for him and that the problem is with white/ufc.
Rush
11/26/07 11:55:06AM
I think you guys need to read between the lines a bit
When I read this literally I am not thinking the best opponents out there, but the best ones for Fedor himself. What that means, I don't know, but one could speculate.
"I was satisfied when I saw an offer from `M-1 Global' first time. I was looking for an organization which can arrange the fights with the best opponents for me, and that is `M-1 Global'."
When I read this literally I am not thinking the best opponents out there, but the best ones for Fedor himself. What that means, I don't know, but one could speculate.
cmill21
11/26/07 2:20:23PM
I think having open options is a good thing for Fedor. He is, like it or not, the top HW in the world. If he's fighting in elite xc one night, strikeforce the next, K-1 the next, and M-1 the next he'll have all of those org promoting his as the best fighter in the world. It's not only M-1 building Fedor it's everyone else. Seems pretty smart from a personal stand point?
mrsmiley
11/26/07 2:41:16PM
I think a lot of people look at the clause in Fedors M-1 contract as a gimmick.The UFC would never let any of their champions or fighters go compete in another organization so the clause won't apply to the UFC.
I don't know though.If any other promotion gained enough to steam to rival or topple them,I think UFC management would let it happen.They sent Chuck to Pride for that very reason.Part of the problem,in my eyes,is when Zuffa purchased PRIDE they thought that would elimanate any competition.However,it seems like promotions with great talent are popping up at a fairly rapid pace,or at least enough to aggravate Dana White.Whether or not anyone believes Fedors signing with M-1 was a copout,i'm just happy fighters have options to choose from,and still hope that titles may one day be unified in various organizations.
I don't know though.If any other promotion gained enough to steam to rival or topple them,I think UFC management would let it happen.They sent Chuck to Pride for that very reason.Part of the problem,in my eyes,is when Zuffa purchased PRIDE they thought that would elimanate any competition.However,it seems like promotions with great talent are popping up at a fairly rapid pace,or at least enough to aggravate Dana White.Whether or not anyone believes Fedors signing with M-1 was a copout,i'm just happy fighters have options to choose from,and still hope that titles may one day be unified in various organizations.
wapttn
11/26/07 3:00:15PM
the no1 spot is not for skills you have, but skills you display. I personally would give a higher ranking to someone who had a hard-fought victory over a good opponent than a blowout win over a lesser opponent. Nobody is gonna give ben rothwell a top10 ranking for the whomping he put on that fat kid at the iowa fight club (its in the mma videos section), but we'll definately put forrest in the top10 with a convincing win over shogun (even if thats still a shady situation). Its unfair to the rest of the top10 heavyweights if fedor can maintain his no1 spot by beating guys outside the top10.
Regardless of where he's fighting.. whether it be k-1, m-1, elitexc, strikeforce.. he's going to be stuck fighting guys like monson, choi, or kimbo slice
Regardless of where he's fighting.. whether it be k-1, m-1, elitexc, strikeforce.. he's going to be stuck fighting guys like monson, choi, or kimbo slice
mrsmiley
11/26/07 3:15:09PM
I don't think he'll still be rated number one for much longer.Unless M-1 signs some amazing new talent and over the next few years Fedor convicingly remains undefeated.I say with the way things are going Fedor stays in the top ten,but certainly not number one.
We gotta remember too that Fedor isn't invincible.What if he were to lose to a guy like monson,Choi,or I even dare say Kimbo?
We gotta remember too that Fedor isn't invincible.What if he were to lose to a guy like monson,Choi,or I even dare say Kimbo?
shawneth
11/26/07 3:46:49PM
Posted by roman
Posted by wapttn
i know what you guys are saying, but he knew about how the ufc operates and how their fighters only fight in the ufc, against ufc contracted fighters. He can try and make it out to look like he wants to fight in the ufc, but he made the choice to fight opponents outside of the ufc by signing outside of the ufc. Only nhl teams can play nhl teams, only nfl teams can play nfl teams.. thats how sucessful pro sport organizations work and you cant blame the ufc for trying to follow suit. At the end of the day, fedor signed with m-1, and its bs for him to say that he did it to fight top competition because everyone who follows mma knows that most of the top talent is in the ufc.
There isn't a single combat sport that works like that though. NHL/NFL and UFC is like apples and grease.
and look how well other combat organizations are doing right now. It is alot easier for fans to watch and track fighter's success when they are all fighting in the same league.
If NHL did work with non-exclusive contracts for the teams, then teams would be aloud to leave the organiztion to play against easier competition and win it all. But why would they, they would just get less money in the end and the players would have to come back to play for a different NHL team.
shawneth
11/26/07 3:48:03PM
Posted by Manfred
Posted by Hurricaneg
I would rather see all fighters under one org just because it benefits the fans. NHL NFL ect all have the best in their league and they produce the best action for their sport.
If a football player feels like he is getting screwed, he has 31 other options.
How is that the same as having none?
No he doesnt have other options. He is also locked into his contract with team until the time expires.
disorderlyvision
11/26/07 7:14:55PM
Posted by mrsmiley
I think a lot of people look at the clause in Fedors M-1 contract as a gimmick.The UFC would never let any of their champions or fighters go compete in another organization so the clause won't apply to the UFC.
Chuck fought in pride
mrsmiley
11/27/07 5:43:46PM
Just for the record I didn't say that!I was quoting the original poster as well.LOL.
xAcidburNx
11/29/07 6:07:25AM
Posted by disorderlyvision
Posted by mrsmiley
I think a lot of people look at the clause in Fedors M-1 contract as a gimmick.The UFC would never let any of their champions or fighters go compete in another organization so the clause won't apply to the UFC.
Chuck fought in pride
did chuck fight in PRIDE before or after zuffa bought the UFC
disorderlyvision
11/29/07 9:05:04AM
Posted by xAcidburNx
Posted by disorderlyvision
Posted by mrsmiley
I think a lot of people look at the clause in Fedors M-1 contract as a gimmick.The UFC would never let any of their champions or fighters go compete in another organization so the clause won't apply to the UFC.
Chuck fought in pride
did chuck fight in PRIDE before or after zuffa bought the UFC
pretty sure it was after because dana made a bet for six figures with sakabara? that chuck would destroy wanderlei. then rampage smashed chuck. so the bet didnt get to happen