Is Fedor Emelianenko a Top-Five Heavyweight?

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Posted by TNunley

I have an idea... since everyone wants to rank Fedor as #1 HW... let's rank Jason Reinhardt #1 LW. Hell he is 18-0, and since it obviously is more important to have a good record than it is to have quality wins, then he certainly deserves it just as much.

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This is a rediculous argument. Fedor's got more top 5 wins then Randy, and unlike Randy he's never been upset, so I don't really get where this is coming from. After 2 wins sherk's #1 in LW and after 2 wins randy's #1 in HW? Both a friggin rediculous to me and I hate how this is a what did you do today sport, be a real fan.

Randy has beat the CHUCK, TITO, VITOR (in his prime), and has beat the odds time and time again. Fedor just stays picking on the weak guys that are either way smaller than him or don't have an all-around game. Mark my words Fedor would get washed in the UFC just like Cro-Cop. He's obviously just after money and not after the good or the sport or proving critics like me right.

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Posted by cmill21
This is a rediculous argument. Fedor's got more top 5 wins then Randy, and unlike Randy he's never been upset, so I don't really get where this is coming from. After 2 wins sherk's #1 in LW and after 2 wins randy's #1 in HW? Both a friggin rediculous to me and I hate how this is a what did you do today sport, be a real fan.

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More top 5 wins than Randy? The guy who posted above me already took that one on.

Sherk is #1, because he fights in the top organization, and he holds the belt in the top organization.... (Top organization=organization with top fighters)

Randy is/was #1 because he fights/fought in the top organization, and he holds/held the belt in the top organization... he destroyed Tim Sylvia (who no one else could), and has a good title defense. To be honest, I don't know that Randy is still #1 or not... if he continues to fight top comp. then yes... if he is retired... then no. That's not the discussion.

As far as your whole "what did you do today sport" comment... we're not talking about fan base... we're talking about rankings. As far as a fan, it doesn't necessarily matter what that fighter has done today if you are really a fan. But when it comes to rankings, that is exactly what matters. For you to say that recent accomplishments have nothing to do with current rankings completely takes away any credibility you have on the ranking system.

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Posted by TNunley

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Posted by cmill21
This is a rediculous argument. Fedor's got more top 5 wins then Randy, and unlike Randy he's never been upset, so I don't really get where this is coming from. After 2 wins sherk's #1 in LW and after 2 wins randy's #1 in HW? Both a friggin rediculous to me and I hate how this is a what did you do today sport, be a real fan.

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More top 5 wins than Randy? The guy who posted above me already took that one on.

Sherk is #1, because he fights in the top organization, and he holds the belt in the top organization.... (Top organization=organization with top fighters)

Randy is/was #1 because he fights/fought in the top organization, and he holds/held the belt in the top organization... he destroyed Tim Sylvia (who no one else could), and has a good title defense. To be honest, I don't know that Randy is still #1 or not... if he continues to fight top comp. then yes... if he is retired... then no. That's not the discussion.

As far as your whole "what did you do today sport" comment... we're not talking about fan base... we're talking about rankings. As far as a fan, it doesn't necessarily matter what that fighter has done today if you are really a fan. But when it comes to rankings, that is exactly what matters. For you to say that recent accomplishments have nothing to do with current rankings completely takes away any credibility you have on the ranking system.

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Tim Sylvia is very beatable, very beatable. Vera could have taken that fight had he not broken his hand, sylvia like semmy schilt is only good because of his size, so I don't feel it a great win, and GG has one good win in his career, if Hughes crushes Serra will anyone think Serra's still top 5? Probably not, so I don't see why it's the same with GG. Who's doing the rankings? Fans. I don't rule out today's accomplishments, but why do you all ignore past ones? You don't just suddenly lose your skill. If you look at Randy's carreer I don't see how anyone can say he's got #1 credentials. Randy was a feel good story, but he's not the best fighter now, and he shoulden't be rememberd as the best mma practitioner.

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Posted by cmill21

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Posted by TNunley

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Posted by cmill21
This is a rediculous argument. Fedor's got more top 5 wins then Randy, and unlike Randy he's never been upset, so I don't really get where this is coming from. After 2 wins sherk's #1 in LW and after 2 wins randy's #1 in HW? Both a friggin rediculous to me and I hate how this is a what did you do today sport, be a real fan.

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More top 5 wins than Randy? The guy who posted above me already took that one on.

Sherk is #1, because he fights in the top organization, and he holds the belt in the top organization.... (Top organization=organization with top fighters)

Randy is/was #1 because he fights/fought in the top organization, and he holds/held the belt in the top organization... he destroyed Tim Sylvia (who no one else could), and has a good title defense. To be honest, I don't know that Randy is still #1 or not... if he continues to fight top comp. then yes... if he is retired... then no. That's not the discussion.

As far as your whole "what did you do today sport" comment... we're not talking about fan base... we're talking about rankings. As far as a fan, it doesn't necessarily matter what that fighter has done today if you are really a fan. But when it comes to rankings, that is exactly what matters. For you to say that recent accomplishments have nothing to do with current rankings completely takes away any credibility you have on the ranking system.

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Tim Sylvia is very beatable, very beatable. Vera could have taken that fight had he not broken his hand, sylvia like semmy schilt is only good because of his size, so I don't feel it a great win, and GG has one good win in his career, if Hughes crushes Serra will anyone think Serra's still top 5? Probably not, so I don't see why it's the same with GG. Who's doing the rankings? Fans. I don't rule out today's accomplishments, but why do you all ignore past ones? You don't just suddenly lose your skill. If you look at Randy's carreer I don't see how anyone can say he's got #1 credentials. Randy was a feel good story, but he's not the best fighter now, and he shoulden't be rememberd as the best mma practitioner.

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I agree with you that Sylvia is beatable. I believe he is a top ten HW though. Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't hold any weight when discussing fights. What happened, happened. Had Vera not broken his hand, things may have gone different. Or maybe it was Tim's hard head that caused the break. Maybe his hand would break again, if they fought again. Either way, it doesn't matter. Tim won. And I agree that Tim's size has a lot to do with his dominance over other fighters. But he can beat most HW fighters. This makes him a top ranked fighter. Atop ranked fighter that Randy beat.

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Posted by xxMALICExx

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Posted by cmill21

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Posted by TNunley

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Posted by cmill21
This is a rediculous argument. Fedor's got more top 5 wins then Randy, and unlike Randy he's never been upset, so I don't really get where this is coming from. After 2 wins sherk's #1 in LW and after 2 wins randy's #1 in HW? Both a friggin rediculous to me and I hate how this is a what did you do today sport, be a real fan.

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More top 5 wins than Randy? The guy who posted above me already took that one on.

Sherk is #1, because he fights in the top organization, and he holds the belt in the top organization.... (Top organization=organization with top fighters)

Randy is/was #1 because he fights/fought in the top organization, and he holds/held the belt in the top organization... he destroyed Tim Sylvia (who no one else could), and has a good title defense. To be honest, I don't know that Randy is still #1 or not... if he continues to fight top comp. then yes... if he is retired... then no. That's not the discussion.

As far as your whole "what did you do today sport" comment... we're not talking about fan base... we're talking about rankings. As far as a fan, it doesn't necessarily matter what that fighter has done today if you are really a fan. But when it comes to rankings, that is exactly what matters. For you to say that recent accomplishments have nothing to do with current rankings completely takes away any credibility you have on the ranking system.

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Tim Sylvia is very beatable, very beatable. Vera could have taken that fight had he not broken his hand, sylvia like semmy schilt is only good because of his size, so I don't feel it a great win, and GG has one good win in his career, if Hughes crushes Serra will anyone think Serra's still top 5? Probably not, so I don't see why it's the same with GG. Who's doing the rankings? Fans. I don't rule out today's accomplishments, but why do you all ignore past ones? You don't just suddenly lose your skill. If you look at Randy's carreer I don't see how anyone can say he's got #1 credentials. Randy was a feel good story, but he's not the best fighter now, and he shoulden't be rememberd as the best mma practitioner.

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I agree with you that Sylvia is beatable. I believe he is a top ten HW though. Shoulda, woulda, coulda doesn't hold any weight when discussing fights. What happened, happened. Had Vera not broken his hand, things may have gone different. Or maybe it was Tim's hard head that caused the break. Maybe his hand would break again, if they fought again. Either way, it doesn't matter. Tim won. And I agree that Tim's size has a lot to do with his dominance over other fighters. But he can beat most HW fighters. This makes him a top ranked fighter. Atop ranked fighter that Randy beat.

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I said that because I don't feel Vera's a top fighter. Anyways Randy is 7-5 as a HW, hardly the HW record of a #1 or the best of all time. Whats his most noteable win? Rizzo or Tim. Not the most feared striker ever to step into mma or the man with the iron jaw and great BJJ.

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Posted by Pyrenus

DW is full of it. If he had signed Fedor he wouldn't quit talking about how he has the #1 P4P fighter in the world.

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Exactly... this goes beyond "hyping his fighters"... this is just bullshit lies... I don't believe Dana White actually believes that. He is a liar, and now he is trying to manipulate the populous via lies about Fedor...

Only an idiot would rank Fedor out of the top 2....

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Posted by MondayNiteMauser

Randy has beat the CHUCK, TITO, VITOR (in his prime), and has beat the odds time and time again. Fedor just stays picking on the weak guys that are either way smaller than him or don't have an all-around game. Mark my words Fedor would get washed in the UFC just like Cro-Cop. He's obviously just after money and not after the good or the sport or proving critics like me right.

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Posted by TNunley

I have an idea... since everyone wants to rank Fedor as #1 HW... let's rank Jason Reinhardt #1 LW. Hell he is 18-0, and since it obviously is more important to have a good record than it is to have quality wins, then he certainly deserves it just as much.

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Well that wouldnt really make sense now would it?

If you think Fedor is so overrated answer this:

a) Why did Dana White offer him such a huge contract? (I bet he wouldnt offer Jason Reinhardt a huge contract)

b) Why would one of Randy's reasons for leaving be that Fedor has signed somewhere else? Quote "its the only fight that makes sense for me right now"

Are both Dana and Randy stupid? Have they been sucked in by all the hype?

Answer.....NO

Fedor is the best hw in the world and one of the best mma fighters ever and obviously Dana and Randy both believe that. (its only dana that won't admit it now)

but then again TNunley knows more than dana and randy.

you guys that think fedor is overrated should ask yourself this, why do all of the best fighters in the world consider fedor to be the #1 fighter in the division. everyone on here likes to think they know better than the best guys in the sport but it is awfully arrogant to assume you know more than the guys who truly live and breath this stuff. i wish i had the list of quotes about what the other fighters had to say about him but i dont. there may be some exceptions but the vast majority of the actual fighters think that he is the absolute #1 hw. randy beating 2 guys certainly doesnt change that...

As a heavywieght Fedor hass Randy beat due to Randy only having 2 recent fights at HW, but as far as who has done more for the sport its Randy without question. They are both great fighters Randy is a small HW but he beat Tim Sylvia everyone might say Sylvia is beatable yes he is and if his size is all he has going for him than he still has it going for him, you cant say if Vera hadnt broken his hand he would have won the fight becuase he did break his hand and he lost Tim is a good fighter i dont like him very much but he is good is it becuase hes big sure but there is a reason he has only been beaten 3 times because hes good as well. Giant Silva is big but he isnt very good at all. Randy is a good fighter at LHW and HW at the moment Fedor is the #1 HW. Randy's losses at HW came a long time ago and Barnett was on roids. Since then Randy has become a much better fighter he knows how to handle grapplers which he couldnt do before when he was a heavyweight but he handled Gonaga with no problems. Everyone can say Gonzaga is overrated i belive so myself but he also has a win over cro cop, he stopped him in the first round something the Fedor didnt do. Who is the better HW Fedor who is the better P4P fighter Randy do to the fact that he has beat the best names in the world over and over hes diversity on which weight class he can fight at and what he hass done for the sport and especially at 44 years old.

I dont understand why everyone has to argue over rankings and this and that..WHO CARES!! if you want Fedor to be your #1 thats great if you think Randy is #1 thats great too.We all can base our rankings on whatever we want as individuals.Theres not right or wrong rankings its all Opinions and we all have one.

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Posted by 40ouncetofreedom

I dont understand why everyone has to argue over rankings and this and that..WHO CARES!! if you want Fedor to be your #1 thats great if you think Randy is #1 thats great too.We all can base our rankings on whatever we want as individuals.Theres not right or wrong rankings its all Opinions and we all have one.

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woooo exactly.

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Posted by tomp6581

Well that wouldnt really make sense now would it?

If you think Fedor is so overrated answer this:

a) Why did Dana White offer him such a huge contract? (I bet he wouldnt offer Jason Reinhardt a huge contract)

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According to Dana, he offered him a huge contract because it was a promotable fight, and Randy wanted it... so to use your same childish logic; I guess tomp6581 knows what's REALLY going on in Dana's head.

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Posted by tomp6581
b) Why would one of Randy's reasons for leaving be that Fedor has signed somewhere else? Quote "its the only fight that makes sense for me right now"

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Because he is hyped as the #1 by many rankings that also still list CC and Rua as top ranked fighters.

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Posted by tomp6581
Are both Dana and Randy stupid? Have they been sucked in by all the hype?

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I would definitely like for you to post me a link where either Dana or Randy have said Fedor is #1? I can actually post you a link where Dana says he doesn't feel he's top 5.

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Posted by tomp6581
Fedor is the best hw in the world and one of the best mma fighters ever and obviously Dana and Randy both believe that. (its only dana that won't admit it now)

but then again TNunley knows more than dana and randy.

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Again, find me somewhere where either Randy or Dana are quoted as saying this... otherwise "tomp6581 must really know what Dana and Randy are thinking but not saying.

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Posted by cmill21
I said that because I don't feel Vera's a top fighter. Anyways Randy is 7-5 as a HW, hardly the HW record of a #1 or the best of all time. Whats his most noteable win? Rizzo or Tim. Not the most feared striker ever to step into mma or the man with the iron jaw and great BJJ.

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Ok, your first two sentences make absolutely zero sense and completely contradict one another. First off you state that Vera is not a top HW, and then that Randy's record is the reason he isn't #1. Ok Vera is 8-1 which according to your logic would have him ranked above Randy (which he shouldn't be IMO), and if you have Randy ranked out of the top 10, then there is no use in even talking to you about rankings.

Randy's most notable win? That's actually a tough question, as most every win he has is notable. Belfort, Rizzo, Liddell, Ortiz, Sylvia, Horn... yeah pretty much all of his wins are notable.

Most feared striker in MMA? Are you talking about the same guy who got outstruck by a BJJ fighter (The guy in your picture)? Man with the iron jaw and great BJJ? I'm guessing that's relating to Fedor? How quickly we forget how great Randy's jaw is... seeing as he had never been KO'd until Liddell (or ever after by anyone else). TBH, I think Liddell would definitely KO Fedor if they fought as well... that's not talking down Fedor, that's just saying Liddell has possibly the best sprawl in MMA and nasty KO power.

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BTW, your logic about records is rediculous... I already mentioned Reinhardt's record, and how it shouldn't relate to him being ranked even top 10...

What about Ken Shamrock (26-12-2)? His record isn't exactly astounding, but you couldn't say he wasn't one of the greatest fighters of the 90's... after all he has won 68% of his fights, where Randy has won 66% of his fights.... All I'm saying is records shouldn't bear a whole lot of weight with rankings as you seem to think so... it says nothing about quality of opponents, nor about where they are today as fighters.

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Posted by TNunley

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Posted by cmill21
I said that because I don't feel Vera's a top fighter. Anyways Randy is 7-5 as a HW, hardly the HW record of a #1 or the best of all time. Whats his most noteable win? Rizzo or Tim. Not the most feared striker ever to step into mma or the man with the iron jaw and great BJJ.

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Ok, your first two sentences make absolutely zero sense and completely contradict one another. First off you state that Vera is not a top HW, and then that Randy's record is the reason he isn't #1. Ok Vera is 8-1 which according to your logic would have him ranked above Randy (which he shouldn't be IMO), and if you have Randy ranked out of the top 10, then there is no use in even talking to you about rankings.

Randy's most notable win? That's actually a tough question, as most every win he has is notable. Belfort, Rizzo, Liddell, Ortiz, Sylvia, Horn... yeah pretty much all of his wins are notable.

Most feared striker in MMA? Are you talking about the same guy who got outstruck by a BJJ fighter (The guy in your picture)? Man with the iron jaw and great BJJ? I'm guessing that's relating to Fedor? How quickly we forget how great Randy's jaw is... seeing as he had never been KO'd until Liddell (or ever after by anyone else). TBH, I think Liddell would definitely KO Fedor if they fought as well... that's not talking down Fedor, that's just saying Liddell has possibly the best sprawl in MMA and nasty KO power.

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BTW, your logic about records is rediculous... I already mentioned Reinhardt's record, and how it shouldn't relate to him being ranked even top 10...

What about Ken Shamrock (26-12-2)? His record isn't exactly astounding, but you couldn't say he wasn't one of the greatest fighters of the 90's... after all he has won 68% of his fights, where Randy has won 66% of his fights.... All I'm saying is records shouldn't bear a whole lot of weight with rankings as you seem to think so... it says nothing about quality of opponents, nor about where they are today as fighters.

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My god your missing so many things. How is a guy who is only 7-5 in the HW div even considered #1? How? It's not record it's the fact thats he's lost 5 out of 12 fights! Yeah you would say chuck was his most noteable win but I thought that took place at 205? I could be wrong though . Iron jaw and great BJJ is Nog, and the guy who was out struck by GG on the ground? they both landed what 1 shot while standing so don't be . TBH I don't really get how you can keep denying that a guy who has barley even looked close to losing isn't #1? He's fought the best strikers(has randy? maybe at LHW) the best wrestlers, the best BJJ and guys bigger then Tim. Everything Randy has done Fedor did it, but he finished it. So according to you Chuck should be the #1 ranked HW? He beat Randy and it apperently doesn't matter what guys fight at it should still go into the div one of them goes to after? At least when Fedor beat Lindland it was at HW, so Randy's biggest wins didn't even take place in the div you want to rank him #1? This is rediculous man I really think your just grasping at nothing.

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Posted by cmill21

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Posted by TNunley

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Posted by cmill21
I said that because I don't feel Vera's a top fighter. Anyways Randy is 7-5 as a HW, hardly the HW record of a #1 or the best of all time. Whats his most noteable win? Rizzo or Tim. Not the most feared striker ever to step into mma or the man with the iron jaw and great BJJ.

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Ok, your first two sentences make absolutely zero sense and completely contradict one another. First off you state that Vera is not a top HW, and then that Randy's record is the reason he isn't #1. Ok Vera is 8-1 which according to your logic would have him ranked above Randy (which he shouldn't be IMO), and if you have Randy ranked out of the top 10, then there is no use in even talking to you about rankings.

Randy's most notable win? That's actually a tough question, as most every win he has is notable. Belfort, Rizzo, Liddell, Ortiz, Sylvia, Horn... yeah pretty much all of his wins are notable.

Most feared striker in MMA? Are you talking about the same guy who got outstruck by a BJJ fighter (The guy in your picture)? Man with the iron jaw and great BJJ? I'm guessing that's relating to Fedor? How quickly we forget how great Randy's jaw is... seeing as he had never been KO'd until Liddell (or ever after by anyone else). TBH, I think Liddell would definitely KO Fedor if they fought as well... that's not talking down Fedor, that's just saying Liddell has possibly the best sprawl in MMA and nasty KO power.

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BTW, your logic about records is rediculous... I already mentioned Reinhardt's record, and how it shouldn't relate to him being ranked even top 10...

What about Ken Shamrock (26-12-2)? His record isn't exactly astounding, but you couldn't say he wasn't one of the greatest fighters of the 90's... after all he has won 68% of his fights, where Randy has won 66% of his fights.... All I'm saying is records shouldn't bear a whole lot of weight with rankings as you seem to think so... it says nothing about quality of opponents, nor about where they are today as fighters.

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My god your missing so many things. How is a guy who is only 7-5 in the HW div even considered #1? How? It's not record it's the fact thats he's lost 5 out of 12 fights! Yeah you would say chuck was his most noteable win but I thought that took place at 205? I could be wrong though . Iron jaw and great BJJ is Nog, and the guy who was out struck by GG on the ground? they both landed what 1 shot while standing so don't be . TBH I don't really get how you can keep denying that a guy who has barley even looked close to losing isn't #1? He's fought the best strikers(has randy? maybe at LHW) the best wrestlers, the best BJJ and guys bigger then Tim. Everything Randy has done Fedor did it, but he finished it. So according to you Chuck should be the #1 ranked HW? He beat Randy and it apperently doesn't matter what guys fight at it should still go into the div one of them goes to after? At least when Fedor beat Lindland it was at HW, so Randy's biggest wins didn't even take place in the div you want to rank him #1? This is rediculous man I really think your just grasping at nothing.

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Many UFC fans rank Randy as #1 because they believe that some former Pride fighters are starting to show a trend of losing. So, after seeing these events, they have started to believe that the average skill levels in PRIDE, may have been lower than the average skill level in the UFC, thus not wanting to rank the PRIDE fighters until they have proven themselves elsewhere. This is just an observation.

I understand that but if you look at whats going on with Cro Cop it's 100% mental, he did very very very well in K-1 the top teir of strikers and right now he's losing to other strikers who are not anywhere near the level of K-1 and no I don't think Kongo's style transfers to MMA better. Also you have a proven track record of guys going to Pride from the UFC and doing as bad or even worse as the few who have done poorly going the other way, so ignoring that is ignorant. If you want to make an argument that Fedor isn't the best HW then please please please give me some sort of reasoning that Randy is the best? I really don't see any, he's lost to Barnett roids or not(he wasn't able to have an appeal since he had no money to do so), Ricco, LHW's, like he's lost 1 of every 3 fights, and no it's not all about records but if you had a guy who wen't 0-22 and then won 2 fights against good opponents(all GG and Tim were) your telling me he should be #1? No this is all about Randy being popular not the best fighter, head to head there are 7 fighters better. Oh and Nunley I noticed you cited Horn as a top win for Randy but when people mention Lindland you say that's not a big win for Fedor since he's a natural MW, whats up with the double standards for your buddy?

Yeah. Cro Cop looks very uncomfortable in the octagon. Hopefully he finds his rhythm.

Hell, Fedor's gotta be Top 5. Who else is out there?

Randy, Nog, ?, ? , ?

Are you going to put Sylvia in the mix? Kongo?