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wilwith1l
7/29/07 11:17:25PM
Wait are you sayin I look like Diaz? As long as i don't look like him after a fight I guess it's ok...
Ydoc
7/30/07 3:30:10PM
Oh sorry man, honest mistake. You do kind of have his hair in that pic, can't really see the face but your head shape is pretty darn close. 
JimiMak
7/30/07 6:31:13PM
why does noone seem to understand this yet?
Fedor is AFRAID, otherwise he would've fought, nevermind just signing a contract. He's afraid he'll lose his UFC debut, he's afraid of having a nobody do what GG did, he's afraid that the cage will mess him up or the loud crowd, maybe all these things, .... who knows why. IF the man were willing to defend his title he would. His recent record doesn't make him look anywhere near what he's cracked up to be. He's getting older every day, everyday he doesn't sign he's one day closer to reaching a point where he's not even an active fighter anmore.
If he signs w/ anbody but UFC, I say he gets removed from all top ten lists. If he refuses to fight top competition, he shouldn't be ranked w/ them cuz we have no way of knowing.
To address the TS, this is obvious trolling, everyone knows Fedor like everyone will lose. Unless he just refuses to fight any top guys ever again.
Fedor is AFRAID, otherwise he would've fought, nevermind just signing a contract. He's afraid he'll lose his UFC debut, he's afraid of having a nobody do what GG did, he's afraid that the cage will mess him up or the loud crowd, maybe all these things, .... who knows why. IF the man were willing to defend his title he would. His recent record doesn't make him look anywhere near what he's cracked up to be. He's getting older every day, everyday he doesn't sign he's one day closer to reaching a point where he's not even an active fighter anmore.
If he signs w/ anbody but UFC, I say he gets removed from all top ten lists. If he refuses to fight top competition, he shouldn't be ranked w/ them cuz we have no way of knowing.
To address the TS, this is obvious trolling, everyone knows Fedor like everyone will lose. Unless he just refuses to fight any top guys ever again.
cmill21
7/30/07 6:35:29PM
I don't think fedor's afraid...He just ran out of people to fight, and Barnett was hurt alot, and when he wasn't fedor was. Fedor's also only 30 so I don't think he's getting near being to old to compete. He also said if he comes to the UFC he will only fight the tops, no tune up fights.
hippysmacker
7/30/07 7:20:15PM
Posted by cmill21
I don't think fedor's afraid...He just ran out of people to fight, and Barnett was hurt alot, and when he wasn't fedor was. Fedor's also only 30 so I don't think he's getting near being to old to compete. He also said if he comes to the UFC he will only fight the tops, no tune up fights.
Actually his manager said in the Sherdog interview that he wants Fedor to have tune up fight to get used to the rules and cage.I don't think he's afraid either , I just thgink he's being led astray by his management. If the worlds best fighter no longer fights the worlds best challengers, how long is he still the worlds best fighter?
wilwith1l
7/30/07 8:21:17PM
Posted by hippysmacker
Posted by cmill21
I don't think fedor's afraid...He just ran out of people to fight, and Barnett was hurt alot, and when he wasn't fedor was. Fedor's also only 30 so I don't think he's getting near being to old to compete. He also said if he comes to the UFC he will only fight the tops, no tune up fights.
Actually his manager said in the Sherdog interview that he wants Fedor to have tune up fight to get used to the rules and cage.I don't think he's afraid either , I just thgink he's being led astray by his management. If the worlds best fighter no longer fights the worlds best challengers, how long is he still the worlds best fighter?
In all the older interviews his attitude is so differant. Now he's not doing interviews without managment.
JimiMak
7/30/07 11:18:45PM
That's the thing. He says he wants no tuneups right after the Lindland fight (a mw who did well, considering) now a couple months later when it will be 9-12 months or more between fights, his management wants a tuneup. First we heard it was an exclusivity thing, now we hear he wants other Red Devils guarunteed matches they haven't earned. He for some reason is making this contract about more than defending his belt/status. If he is a pro fighter (not a trainer) his concern should be with fighting more than once a year (or at least). He also sees a future in his popularity as a promoter.
Maybe he's just losing his desire to fight. Maybe it's just the fact that he knows the undefeated thing can only last so long, and he's trying to take as much advantage as he can. But if he were fighting top comp 2 or 3 times a year and maintaining his pace it would be fine. He hasn't done that in a while. Not really since he established himself.
He is afraid that his legacy is going to disappear if he took say 2 losses in a row, even if they were bs cut losses or sumthing. However you want to say it, he doesn't want to fight, he's making it about too many other things. Not money, not his family's future... weird miscellaneous, unexpectable stuff. He can't reasonably expect the things he wants from an org that doesn't need him as bad as bodog. And if he really won't fight for them again who?
Maybe he's just losing his desire to fight. Maybe it's just the fact that he knows the undefeated thing can only last so long, and he's trying to take as much advantage as he can. But if he were fighting top comp 2 or 3 times a year and maintaining his pace it would be fine. He hasn't done that in a while. Not really since he established himself.
He is afraid that his legacy is going to disappear if he took say 2 losses in a row, even if they were bs cut losses or sumthing. However you want to say it, he doesn't want to fight, he's making it about too many other things. Not money, not his family's future... weird miscellaneous, unexpectable stuff. He can't reasonably expect the things he wants from an org that doesn't need him as bad as bodog. And if he really won't fight for them again who?
wilwith1l
7/30/07 11:57:43PM
I think the tune up was reffering to fighting under the unified rules. Elbows, no stomps and such.
TOMMYAYO05
7/31/07 12:27:43AM
everybodys human look at gsp after he beat hughes we all thought man he is never going to get beat.look at chuck he was the most dominant of all,Fedor has alot of new competitors if the deal can get finalized,like crocop again,nogueria again,arvloski,vera,sylvia,gonzaga,couture.i mean yeah he is great prob the most dominant ever but every dog has his day and i think it will come soon in the ufc.
Posted by wilwith1l
I am tired of these. There is about eight people who think somebody can beat Fedor, and they're prolly drunk. Everbody knows the deal. Barnett v. Fedor. CC Fedor II. Fedor is not human.
JimiMak
7/31/07 12:28:34AM
Posted by wilwith1l
I think the tune up was reffering to fighting under the unified rules. Elbows, no stomps and such.
How does that change the fact that he originally (when talking about a fight in the cage) said he, as usual, wouldn't take anybody but the best and now looks at the performances of his peers (as well as the hardline contract) and now it's "well one to get used to the cage/rules..." Over the last year or more I've realized that that is the issue, he doesn't want to fight he just doesn't want to lose his #1 status.
And ppl can make all the excuses they want, Mark Hunt controlled him on the ground and he isn't the most versatile fighter (being as nice as i can).
wilwith1l
7/31/07 8:03:18PM
Posted by JimiMak
And ppl can make all the excuses they want, Mark Hunt controlled him on the ground and he isn't the most versatile fighter (being as nice as i can).
Nobody claimed The Fedor to be the most versitile fighter in the world....
just THE best fighter in th world.
There is a reason he is on top of everyone's chart.
P.S. I don't consider getting caught in a kimura doing a good job of controlling.
JimiMak
7/31/07 10:10:07PM
Posted by wilwith1l
Posted by JimiMak
And ppl can make all the excuses they want, Mark Hunt controlled him on the ground and he isn't the most versatile fighter (being as nice as i can).
Nobody claimed The Fedor to be the most versitile fighter in the world....
just THE best fighter in th world.
There is a reason he is on top of everyone's chart.
P.S. I don't consider getting caught in a kimura doing a good job of controlling.
Sorry, to clarify, I was saying that MH is BAD on the ground, not that Fedor's not versatile. And actually I think his versatility is the reason he's on everyone's chart. He's not the best at anything (save sambo) but he's adapted and become versatile (he says he's as good a striker as any K1 guy and chooses to go for subs, most of us don't doubt that).
And yes, when the ground is "your game" and and overweight "no nothing on the ground" kickboxer takes sidemount and almost secures a kimura (which is most of the fight went, Fedor's better @ turning and finishing than almost anyone) that's control.
Fedor's as good as they all claim, but not as great. Some ppl still need to realize that he's human, his legacy scares him (as it would anyone), he will take another loss as his one. He will get legitamately beat, by a fighter with a worse record (noone has his record, obviously). These are facts of being "the guy" at any one point.
My biggest point is his inactivity. Being inactive not only diminishes his claim to #1, it takes away a little from him. I think a guy in his position should fight every 6-9 mos (barring injury) He really hasn't done much since his hand surgery. And if he doesn't sign with UFC his credibility quickly goes away. How do claim #1 when you won't fight anyone top 5 and rarely fight a top 10. Fighting guys from lower weight classes, no matter how good, doesn't compare to the fact that CC and Nog and those guys are mixing with the top contenders from the other org now. He's standing so on top of this mountain that for some reason is doing all this other worrying about all this other stufff other than defending his status/belt.
Any other champion who goes so long without defending against top competition takes all sorts of slag. I'm not a FE hater, I just don't get all the hero worship ( to such an extereme ) for a guy who hasn't shown that he's all that great since the CC fight.
Aether
8/1/07 11:13:13AM
he's fought 2 very strong competitors in the last 9 months so I don't see how you can claim he's been inactive.
Why the hell does everyone consider Lindland a pushover because he moved to a different weightclass? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I guess his olympic silver medal and p4p ranking goes flying out the window when he puts on 40 pounds. All of the sudden he's not a top calibre fighter anymore. All of that extra muscle must've clogged his braincells and made him forget how to fight I guess. Mark Hunt is also clearly top15, if not top10.
It's called contract negotiations... not fear. For some reason he wasn't afraid to get into the ring with, and dominate, Crocop and Nogueira and I have a pretty hard time believing that any mixed martial artist is afraid of doing their job. If they were afraid of fighting, they probably wouldn't have chosen it as a career.
You guys can cry "nuthuggers" all you want, but talking down about fighters and saying they're afraid seems somehow less acceptable than arguing that a fighter is actually good IMO. I'm pretty sure no one honestly believes that anyone is unbeatable. People say those things as a way to indicate that a certain person has reached a pinnacle of skill that surpasses anything we've seen yet, the same way that people hype up athletes in any sport with over-the-top accolades.
Why the hell does everyone consider Lindland a pushover because he moved to a different weightclass? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I guess his olympic silver medal and p4p ranking goes flying out the window when he puts on 40 pounds. All of the sudden he's not a top calibre fighter anymore. All of that extra muscle must've clogged his braincells and made him forget how to fight I guess. Mark Hunt is also clearly top15, if not top10.
It's called contract negotiations... not fear. For some reason he wasn't afraid to get into the ring with, and dominate, Crocop and Nogueira and I have a pretty hard time believing that any mixed martial artist is afraid of doing their job. If they were afraid of fighting, they probably wouldn't have chosen it as a career.
You guys can cry "nuthuggers" all you want, but talking down about fighters and saying they're afraid seems somehow less acceptable than arguing that a fighter is actually good IMO. I'm pretty sure no one honestly believes that anyone is unbeatable. People say those things as a way to indicate that a certain person has reached a pinnacle of skill that surpasses anything we've seen yet, the same way that people hype up athletes in any sport with over-the-top accolades.
JimiMak
8/1/07 5:12:51PM
I'm not saying he's afraid of any fighter, nor to do his job. Any one with the kind of pressure he's under would be afraid of not living up to the hype in front of a new audience. Hunt is def top 10 - 15, Lindland is good, Coleman..., Zulu?, none of them had earned a shot at the PRIDE champion. He hasn't fought anyone that has in two years, and with these negotiations it'll be anywhere from 3 mos to a year before he does (that's just if he does sign). Hunt did much better than most of us thought, especially w/ the amount of ground time. Lindland did decent, and is no pushover, but he's a middleweight... this is the #1 HW in the world. And he's had two fights since the tourney to determine his #1 contender.
Why else would he be asking for ridiculous things that no other fighter gets? He should be as eager to fight CC (winner of the tourney, earned the spot) or anyone the UFC could put up.
Why else would he be asking for ridiculous things that no other fighter gets? He should be as eager to fight CC (winner of the tourney, earned the spot) or anyone the UFC could put up.