Do u enjoy watching Dominick Cruz fight??

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hashyandy4
10/2/11 5:12:38PM
After another pretty dominating UD last nite, i'm hearing a ton of people say that they don't like Cruz's style, and sum even calling him boring. I have 2 respectfully disagree. I understand that he doesnt finish a lot of fights, but 2 call him boring 2 me, is nuts. Not liking his style is one thing, which i can kinda understand, due 2 how akward it is. But him being boring is crazy, he's always moving and looking 2 attack.

With all that being said, do u personally like Cruz and his style?? And lastly who would u like 2 see him fight next?? I personally would like Bowles, if he beats Faber. (I think its 2 early 4 Faber again.) Lets see what the playground thinks!!
Chael_Sonnen
10/2/11 5:37:11PM
A simple NO......would rather watch fresh paint dry with polka music playing in the background.
Poor_Franklin
10/2/11 5:44:07PM
im about to watch the fights from last night, so i haven't seen his most recent fight, but i enjoy watching him pick someone apart.

that being said, this thread pretty much says it all. dude can't finish. i do enjoy watching him fight, but don't see him jumping to the tops of a bunch of people's favorites list due to his style of fighting
Khaos
10/2/11 6:41:33PM
I enjoyed last night's fight.

I don't mind that he goes the distance so frequently, his fights are so eciting that i don't feel like i've just watched a 5 rounder.
sparky
10/2/11 6:51:12PM
I sure do
postman
10/2/11 7:34:52PM
LOL MMA fans are amazing. First you guys complain that GSP rides for wins and he is boring. No Cruz pieces dudes for 5 rounds and hes boring? Are you kidding me?
hashyandy4
10/2/11 7:49:01PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen

A simple NO......would rather watch fresh paint dry with polka music playing in the background.



Let me guess, Chael is way more exciting??
Twenty20Dollars
10/2/11 7:52:50PM
I enjoy watching Cruz about as much as I enjoy watching GSP.

Which is none.

But hats off to him, for pretty much clearing the division and only rematches being left til new contenders arise.
ghandikush
10/2/11 9:39:02PM

Posted by Chael_Sonnen

A simple NO......would rather watch fresh paint dry with polka music playing in the background.



Cruz attempts to finish fights...............

I like grappling wars, to call that last fight boring is a lot like calling Rampage
Hendo boring.

For the record as much as I'll nutthug Cruz all day he will suck in 2-3 years since he usually outstrikes people with a style heavily reliant on reach, having lots of gas, and unorthodox angles. See Rich Franklin for details.

If he beats a real striker I will reevaluate.
tcunningham
10/2/11 11:14:31PM
i enjoy it. i saw some holes in his game last night so i doubt he will keep the title for a long time. i like to watch the little guys, they are almost always fun to watch. somebody will figure him out
jiujitsufreak74
10/2/11 11:52:26PM
it's beautiful to watch him fight and i am entertained from bell to bell. he doesn't LnP, he is always trying to advance position and land some GnP. his striking is so intriguing, and while i'm just waiting for someone to head kick him in the face, it is very entertaining to watch imo. he never rests, never stalls and is constantly pushing forward. the fight last night was great, again imo, and i personally can't wait to see him fight again.
FastKnockout
10/3/11 12:55:00AM
Fans want to see finishes, simple as that. I mean look at Fitch, he dominates his opponents, but doesn't get the finish, and most fans consider him boring. On the other side you have Cruz, who is almost polar opposite of Fitch, and most fans also consider him boring. Now look at St. Pierre, who dominates his opponents in EVERY area of the game, fans are now considering him boring. What do these three guys have in common? They don't finish fights. Same with Frankie Edgar. No finishes means boring fighter for MOST fight fans.

In my personal opinion, I find all the fighters I mentioned entertaining. Sure, no flashy knockouts or slick submissions, but damn do they put on a clinic against most of their opponents.
Adrenaline
10/3/11 1:28:17AM
I'm neutral on Cruz and that generally goes for St. Pierre and Frankie Edgar as well. I respect the talent and effectiveness of said fighters but I would be lying if I said that any of them were on my "must watch fighters" list. I don't really mind that they don't finish fights although it would add more excitement to the fights if you weren't already 99% sure that it was going to end in a decision.

telnights
10/3/11 2:38:45AM
It was a good fight and I enjoined watching it. If I had to pick something to change I would say, I would have liked to have seen Cruz be a lot more aggressive with his GnP. I felt like sometimes he was just worried with holding position more than anything.
KungFuMaster
10/3/11 3:31:38AM
I like watching Cruz fight but I would not say I like him. And yes, he is not boring.
Wallass
10/3/11 5:29:33AM
If you dont like his fights you have no soul.
warglory
10/3/11 7:44:17AM
If you watch MMA to simply see people get finished, you should go watch pro wrestling instead, or that stupid karate league hosted by Chuck Norris. This is a multi-faceted sport, with aspects that aren't dramatic. It's like saying you only watch American football to see the hard crunches; it's absolutely silly. Enjoy the sport for what it is, a tactical "close as you can get" fight, which includes learning to appreciate all styles.
emfleek
10/3/11 9:48:26AM
The fact that he doesn't finish fights has zero to do with me not enjoying his fights. Someone mentioned it earlier but I think it's his awkwardness that I don't like. I can't really put a finger on it but, if I had to offer up an excuse, I'd say it's his odd/weird style.

Ahh screw it. I don't like him 'cuz his "bref stanks".
Budgellism
10/3/11 10:29:28AM
My answer to the thread is basically a yes. There are points during his fights where I don't enjoy what I'm seeing, but that's pretty rare.
Pookie
10/3/11 10:47:41AM
I enjoy the fights. Footwork is always fun for me to watch, because i take a real analytic viewpoint and attempt to dissect the fundamentals of what i'm seeing. And i'm always on edge because i'm yelling for them to feint the right hand and follow up with a RHK as dominick dips to his left.

But at the same time, i don't really like his style of fighting, even though i do enjoy his fights.
Twenty20Dollars
10/3/11 11:08:34AM

Posted by Wallass

If you dont like his fights you have no soul.



My secret is out...
tn_rebel
10/3/11 1:15:44PM

Posted by hashyandy4


Posted by Chael_Sonnen

A simple NO......would rather watch fresh paint dry with polka music playing in the background.



Let me guess, Chael is way more exciting??



Its going to be exciting watching Stann knock him out.
Adrenaline
10/3/11 2:31:06PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars


Posted by Wallass

If you dont like his fights you have no soul.



My secret is out...




Based on these facts, you may be a ginger. I would get tested right away.

jiujitsufreak74
10/3/11 5:29:27PM
i don't understand why a lot of the "hardcore" fans have this air of superiority about them when it comes to how people look at fights. people like finishes, no matter how "hardcore" you are. it doesn't make you better or more intelligent to prefer a 5 round war of attrition to a KO...it is just preference. you can't say someone isn't a true fan of MMA if they don't like to watch a Cruz fight because he doesn't finish. that's just as ignorant as those people saying that GSP isn't a fighter, he's a wrestler.

at the end of the day it is just personal opinion. it doesn't make you a "better fan" because you like the technical aspects of the game. "hardcore" fans need to learn that most people enjoy watching a decisive end to a fight, and there are a lot of "hardcore" fans that like that as well. i personally love watching Cruz fight, but i'm not going to look down on someone that doesn't.

sorry for the mini rant, but i'm tired of seeing these blanket statements saying someone isn't a fan because ____ or if you think ____ you are a retard. it is just a difference in opinion.

now i'm not saying that someone who says the ground game is for pussies is justified, but rather someone who says they prefer to watch more of a striking bout is entitled to believe so.
Kpro
10/3/11 5:35:17PM
I love Cruz fights. The way he can frustrate his opponents by avoiding almost all of their offense (basically identical to GSP level striking and takedown defense except the fights take place almost completely on the feet).

I'll always catch any Cruz fight I can and he's one of my favorite fighters. I do agree, if it's been said in this thread (I know it's been said in others), that him facing an elite striker with a jitz base to boot would be a great matchup and really put him to the test. I just don't know who that is.
Kpro
10/3/11 5:41:13PM
I have no idea if I'm in the minority on this, and Cruz aside from this next comment, but a 50-45 is waaaaaay more dominant than a 10 second knockout.

My opinion.
UFC_Fanatic
10/3/11 6:21:43PM

Posted by Kpro

I love Cruz fights. The way he can frustrate his opponents by avoiding almost all of their offense (basically identical to GSP level striking and takedown defense except the fights take place almost completely on the feet).

I'll always catch any Cruz fight I can and he's one of my favorite fighters. I do agree, if it's been said in this thread (I know it's been said in others), that him facing an elite striker with a jitz base to boot would be a great matchup and really put him to the test. I just don't know who that is.



I'd say that the aforementioned elite striker with jj base is well within reach, but in a different weight class. Of course I am talking about Aldo. That would be a fight I would love to see, but I don't think it would end well for Cruz. Skills and everything aside, I think the size and power difference would pose problems for Cruz. Plus after finally watching his fight with Faber, and the way Cruz would momentarily show signs of being a little rocked every time Faber hit him makes me question how his chin would hold up to Aldo's shot. Also, if Aldo lands just a few of those leg kicks how much would it take away from Cruz's perplexing and unorthodox movement? Would he be able to take Aldo down given Aldo's exceptional take down defense? These are all questions that I would love to see answered, but I don't know that they will be any time soon. Both still have some work to do in their respective divisions before this fight happens.
Kpro
10/3/11 6:23:38PM

Posted by UFC_Fanatic


Posted by Kpro

I love Cruz fights. The way he can frustrate his opponents by avoiding almost all of their offense (basically identical to GSP level striking and takedown defense except the fights take place almost completely on the feet).

I'll always catch any Cruz fight I can and he's one of my favorite fighters. I do agree, if it's been said in this thread (I know it's been said in others), that him facing an elite striker with a jitz base to boot would be a great matchup and really put him to the test. I just don't know who that is.



I'd say that the aforementioned elite striker with jj base is well within reach, but in a different weight class. Of course I am talking about Aldo. That would be a fight I would love to see, but I don't think it would end well for Cruz. Skills and everything aside, I think the size and power difference would pose problems for Cruz. Plus after finally watching his fight with Faber, and the way Cruz would momentarily show signs of being a little rocked every time Faber hit him makes me question how his chin would hold up to Aldo's shot. Also, if Aldo lands just a few of those leg kicks how much would it take away from Cruz's perplexing and unorthodox movement? Would he be able to take Aldo down given Aldo's exceptional take down defense? These are all questions that I would love to see answered, but I don't know that they will be any time soon. Both still have some work to do in their respective divisions before this fight happens.



It's too bad Aldo will probably be at 155 before Cruz even loses his 135 strap with his difficulties hitting 145 We need a 20 pounds lighter version of Aldo. Someone call Nova Uniao.
warglory
10/3/11 6:36:47PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

i don't understand why a lot of the "hardcore" fans have this air of superiority about them when it comes to how people look at fights. people like finishes, no matter how "hardcore" you are. it doesn't make you better or more intelligent to prefer a 5 round war of attrition to a KO...it is just preference. you can't say someone isn't a true fan of MMA if they don't like to watch a Cruz fight because he doesn't finish. that's just as ignorant as those people saying that GSP isn't a fighter, he's a wrestler.

at the end of the day it is just personal opinion. it doesn't make you a "better fan" because you like the technical aspects of the game. "hardcore" fans need to learn that most people enjoy watching a decisive end to a fight, and there are a lot of "hardcore" fans that like that as well. i personally love watching Cruz fight, but i'm not going to look down on someone that doesn't.

sorry for the mini rant, but i'm tired of seeing these blanket statements saying someone isn't a fan because ____ or if you think ____ you are a retard. it is just a difference in opinion.

now i'm not saying that someone who says the ground game is for pussies is justified, but rather someone who says they prefer to watch more of a striking bout is entitled to believe so.



If this is in reference to my comment, it wasn't meant to give off a sense of "superiority." Watching a sport like mma, where there are a ton of different dynamics involved, should require an appreciation for all aspects. Saying that a fight is less exciting simply because there was no finish is like saying you are a basketball fan, but only when they are slam dunking, or a hockey fan, only when there are fights. I am not saying anyone here falls into any black and white category of why they watch mma, I'm just saying that it makes no sense to me how you can be a hardcore fan of this sport and be disappointed in a fight simply because there was no finish. Of course there are boring fights, and if people don't like Cruz simply because they think his style is boring, that's fine, but not liking him because he doesn't finish makes absolutely no sense to me.
jiujitsufreak74
10/3/11 7:36:08PM

Posted by warglory


Posted by jiujitsufreak74

i don't understand why a lot of the "hardcore" fans have this air of superiority about them when it comes to how people look at fights. people like finishes, no matter how "hardcore" you are. it doesn't make you better or more intelligent to prefer a 5 round war of attrition to a KO...it is just preference. you can't say someone isn't a true fan of MMA if they don't like to watch a Cruz fight because he doesn't finish. that's just as ignorant as those people saying that GSP isn't a fighter, he's a wrestler.

at the end of the day it is just personal opinion. it doesn't make you a "better fan" because you like the technical aspects of the game. "hardcore" fans need to learn that most people enjoy watching a decisive end to a fight, and there are a lot of "hardcore" fans that like that as well. i personally love watching Cruz fight, but i'm not going to look down on someone that doesn't.

sorry for the mini rant, but i'm tired of seeing these blanket statements saying someone isn't a fan because ____ or if you think ____ you are a retard. it is just a difference in opinion.

now i'm not saying that someone who says the ground game is for pussies is justified, but rather someone who says they prefer to watch more of a striking bout is entitled to believe so.



If this is in reference to my comment, it wasn't meant to give off a sense of "superiority." Watching a sport like mma, where there are a ton of different dynamics involved, should require an appreciation for all aspects. Saying that a fight is less exciting simply because there was no finish is like saying you are a basketball fan, but only when they are slam dunking, or a hockey fan, only when there are fights. I am not saying anyone here falls into any black and white category of why they watch mma, I'm just saying that it makes no sense to me how you can be a hardcore fan of this sport and be disappointed in a fight simply because there was no finish. Of course there are boring fights, and if people don't like Cruz simply because they think his style is boring, that's fine, but not liking him because he doesn't finish makes absolutely no sense to me.



honestly wasn't referencing anyone here, i have just been reading a lot of internet boards where people are being assholes and getting stuck up about their point of view. as far as not liking him because he doesn't finish, that's honestly understandable to me. the best fighters are supposed to finish fights, and while i particularly love watching people like cruz and edgar fight, i understand when people get frustrated with lack of finishes. finishes create a decisive end. finishes create drama. its perfectly reasonable for someone to not like a fighter because they don't finish (i am not one of those people but i understand) because it is all personal preference. you can't associate someone's preference to their knowledge of the sport. just because you don't like decisions doesn't mean you lack knowledge. the only indicator of someone lacking knowledge is someone saying things like, "he's a pussy he's afraid to strike so he wrestles" or "kicks are for girls" or even "i hate when he just lays on top of him doing nothing (when he is actively trying to pass and landing shots)".

it is comments like those that are good indicators, not someone's preference to finish or decision. it is frustrating to a lot of people to accept that someone is the best fighter in a weight class and have them never finish someone in a 25 minute span. it also doesn't help when Anderson Silva and now Jon Jones are finishing fights AND dominating them (besides Sonnen/Silva) so i completely get why people take not finishing as a quality to dislike. but again, that is not my personal sentiment.
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