Early Odds For UFC 79 - St. Pierre, Silva Favored
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Early Odds For UFC 79 - St. Pierre, Silva Favored
POLL: Best Wager To Make?
| Matt Hughes +200 |    |
35% | (29) |
| Georges St. Pierre -250 |    |
18% | (15) |
| Wanderlei Silva -120 |    |
7% | (6) |
| Chuck Liddell -110 |    |
9% | (7) |
| "Lyoto" Machida -130 |    |
9% | (7) |
| Sokoudjou Even |    |
22% | (18) |
CornishMMA
11/29/07 12:23:49PM
The following are early betting lines from BetOnFighting.com for the big year-end UFC 79 "Nemesis" card:
Matt Hughes +200
Georges St. Pierre -250
- -
Wanderlei Silva -120
Chuck Liddell -110
- -
"Lyoto" Machida -130
Sokoudjou Even
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Matt Hughes +200
Georges St. Pierre -250
- -
Wanderlei Silva -120
Chuck Liddell -110
- -
"Lyoto" Machida -130
Sokoudjou Even
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billycarnage
11/29/07 2:10:09PM
I vote Sokoudjou to be the best wager because he has the best chance of winning out of the underdogs. Machida has controlled the pace of all his fights and has a collection of decision wins where as Soko has finished all 2 or 3 of his valid opponents which leads me to be that machida will have his hands full. I think Soko will controll the fight I just hope he is conditioned for all 3 rounds just in case. He is strong explosive well rounded... it will be an exciting fight.
CornishMMA
11/29/07 2:11:11PM
Im putting all my money on GSP and Wandy 
I was looking forward to getting good odds on Serra but will feel safer with the cashish in Rush
I was looking forward to getting good odds on Serra but will feel safer with the cashish in Rush
ChokeUout
11/29/07 2:21:09PM
Wow, I never thought i'd see the day where I saw "Matt Hughes +200"
I think people are counting Hughes out, which I think is foolish considering what he's capable of.
I think The Hughes bet is by FAR the best value
I think people are counting Hughes out, which I think is foolish considering what he's capable of.
I think The Hughes bet is by FAR the best value
cmill21
11/29/07 2:23:50PM
Soko's an underdog again? Lol will Vegas never learn?
CornishMMA
11/29/07 2:32:38PM
Posted by cmill21
Soko's an underdog again? Lol will Vegas never learn?
Not when its third time unlucky and he gets found out, he doesnt like being punched, i saw that in his loss to Glover, Machida will punch him alot and will win
Hughes at +200 is generous if anything, if you think that bud then by all means mortgage your house and slap it on him, but i wont spare you any loose change when i walk over you on the sidewalk
cmill21
11/29/07 2:49:24PM
Posted by CornishMMA
Posted by cmill21
Soko's an underdog again? Lol will Vegas never learn?
Not when its third time unlucky and he gets found out, he doesnt like being punched, i saw that in his loss to Glover, Machida will punch him alot and will win
Hughes at +200 is generous if anything, if you think that bud then by all means mortgage your house and slap it on him, but i wont spare you any loose change when i walk over you on the sidewalk
Glover was just swinging for the fenses, Soko avoided alot of shots, and got caught on the chin. You bet he'll get hit and we will see if he's got a chin, but he's got great judo, great hands, great kicks, great ground work, and if he has a chin he'll be a monster. Hendo seems pretty high on him, so I gotta believe he's tested that chin in sparring. Good odd's other then the hughes fight, I plan to put a sizeable wager on Soko, I love machida but I think Soko has alot more ways to win and have to go with him.
Chuteboxer
11/29/07 4:12:42PM
I would bet on Hughes. I think too many people are getting too high on GSP because of what happened in their last fight...
wapttn
11/29/07 5:43:04PM
For anyone betting on hughes at +200 expecting to win is foolish. When hughes losses his ability to take his opponents down, he loses his biggest weapon. Georges will stuff the shit out of him, and pick him apart with his striking for yet a third time. The difference between this fight and the first two? They both know each other's strengths and weaknesses. St. Pierre's weakness is his head game.. chances are that with the confidence of their last fight, and the lessons learned from the serra fight, gsp has no more weaknesses. Hughes.. he's still not gonna be able to take gsp down and control him, and he's still gonna not gonna match up well on his feet.
With all that said, hughes is still an elite fighter.. if gsp makes the right mistake at the right time, hughes will take advantage and it will be game over.
Soko over Machida..
Machida's notable wins are with guys who did not belong in his weight class.. He's incredibly well rounded to the point where he takes whatever advantage he has over his opponent and exploits it, but in this match up, he's giving up noticable size, strength, and i think speed as well. If soko trains with quest, then his conditioning should be no joke. Soko will be able to push the pace of his fight, and overwhelm machida wherever the fight goes
With all that said, hughes is still an elite fighter.. if gsp makes the right mistake at the right time, hughes will take advantage and it will be game over.
Soko over Machida..
Machida's notable wins are with guys who did not belong in his weight class.. He's incredibly well rounded to the point where he takes whatever advantage he has over his opponent and exploits it, but in this match up, he's giving up noticable size, strength, and i think speed as well. If soko trains with quest, then his conditioning should be no joke. Soko will be able to push the pace of his fight, and overwhelm machida wherever the fight goes
Zekeil
11/29/07 6:09:07PM
Posted by CornishMMA
Posted by cmill21
Soko's an underdog again? Lol will Vegas never learn?
Not when its third time unlucky and he gets found out, he doesnt like being punched, i saw that in his loss to Glover, Machida will punch him alot and will win
Hughes at +200 is generous if anything, if you think that bud then by all means mortgage your house and slap it on him, but i wont spare you any loose change when i walk over you on the sidewalk
You're a MORON to think that Hughes deserves a +200.
The house is going to lose their ass on that fight. I'm putting $500 on Hughes.
Zekeil
11/29/07 6:14:27PM
Posted by wapttn
For anyone betting on hughes at +200 expecting to win is foolish. When hughes losses his ability to take his opponents down, he loses his biggest weapon. Georges will stuff the shit out of him, and pick him apart with his striking for yet a third time. The difference between this fight and the first two? They both know each other's strengths and weaknesses. St. Pierre's weakness is his head game.. chances are that with the confidence of their last fight, and the lessons learned from the serra fight, gsp has no more weaknesses. Hughes.. he's still not gonna be able to take gsp down and control him, and he's still gonna not gonna match up well on his feet.
With all that said, hughes is still an elite fighter.. if gsp makes the right mistake at the right time, hughes will take advantage and it will be game over.
Soko over Machida..
Machida's notable wins are with guys who did not belong in his weight class.. He's incredibly well rounded to the point where he takes whatever advantage he has over his opponent and exploits it, but in this match up, he's giving up noticable size, strength, and i think speed as well. If soko trains with quest, then his conditioning should be no joke. Soko will be able to push the pace of his fight, and overwhelm machida wherever the fight goes
Yea like he did against a below average fighter in Matt Serra?
LOL, You are truly a fool. Hughes lost one fight and all of a sudden no one gives him the respect he deserves.
Hughes by TKO in the second round.
wapttn
11/29/07 7:06:49PM
easy buddy.. if all ur gonna look at is the win-loss column then by all means, bet ur house on hughes.. but how about you look at what happened in these fights before you end up homeless. Hughes is 7-1 in his last eight with wins over both gsp and bj penn (these being his only true competition). Against everyone else, he was able to use his elite wrestling and superior strength to bring the fight to the ground and control the fight there. The wrestling and strength advantages usually opened up submissions and mount positions that let him end the fights. But how about we take a look at what happens when he struggles to take his opponent down, and cant control them on their back.
BJ/hughes I was a perfect example of what happens when hughes cant win the striking battle, and cant take it to the ground
BJ/hughes II was another perfect example of what happens when hughes cant take the fight to the ground. At the end of the 2nd, I think during a shoot, Penn tore a muscle near his ribs and it screwed up his breathing.. when you cant breathe, you have no cardio.. and so hughes took the fight over what most people think was a gassed out penn. Had penn not injured himself.. chances are that the last 3 rounds would look very similar to the first 2
Gsp/hughes I was a young, inexperienced, very rookie like st. pierre. You could tell that he had the skill set, but lacked the mental maturity to execute in the cage. He did well, all things considered, but he slipped up and hughes capitalized like he can. What we did learn from this fight tho is that gsp's striking is well above hughes'.
Gsp/hughes II was a more focused, more determined, more mature st. pierre. He was in control of that fight from beginning to end. That fight was a perfect blueprint of how you beat hughes, and gsp had all the tools to do it.
Its not because hughes lost to gsp once, that he's going to lose again.. its because stylistically, this is hughes' worst matchup. To make things worse for him, gsp is just that damn good. Gsp has the confidence and maturity that he needs for his head to be in the game.. and that means lights out for hughes.
BJ/hughes I was a perfect example of what happens when hughes cant win the striking battle, and cant take it to the ground
BJ/hughes II was another perfect example of what happens when hughes cant take the fight to the ground. At the end of the 2nd, I think during a shoot, Penn tore a muscle near his ribs and it screwed up his breathing.. when you cant breathe, you have no cardio.. and so hughes took the fight over what most people think was a gassed out penn. Had penn not injured himself.. chances are that the last 3 rounds would look very similar to the first 2
Gsp/hughes I was a young, inexperienced, very rookie like st. pierre. You could tell that he had the skill set, but lacked the mental maturity to execute in the cage. He did well, all things considered, but he slipped up and hughes capitalized like he can. What we did learn from this fight tho is that gsp's striking is well above hughes'.
Gsp/hughes II was a more focused, more determined, more mature st. pierre. He was in control of that fight from beginning to end. That fight was a perfect blueprint of how you beat hughes, and gsp had all the tools to do it.
Its not because hughes lost to gsp once, that he's going to lose again.. its because stylistically, this is hughes' worst matchup. To make things worse for him, gsp is just that damn good. Gsp has the confidence and maturity that he needs for his head to be in the game.. and that means lights out for hughes.
tuvok500
11/29/07 7:29:27PM
I think the best guy to bet on is GSP, i don't really follow the odds normally, i go with the guys who i believe will win the fight.
i don't try the big shot on a +700 guys neither that on a +200 guy, specially if i think he will lose.
i think that Liddell will win, but i am less confident than GSP , as for Soko, it is hard to put big money on a guy like that, specially agianst Machida who is very good to make you look bad and control the fight.
also, it will be the last even of the season 2, so for us in first place , we don't need to risk to much.
i don't try the big shot on a +700 guys neither that on a +200 guy, specially if i think he will lose.
i think that Liddell will win, but i am less confident than GSP , as for Soko, it is hard to put big money on a guy like that, specially agianst Machida who is very good to make you look bad and control the fight.
also, it will be the last even of the season 2, so for us in first place , we don't need to risk to much.
nastshabast
11/29/07 11:49:16PM
cornish knows whatsup
wapp will tell ya the gospel
gsp + silva = $$$$$$$$$$$$
cash money
real talk
wapp will tell ya the gospel
gsp + silva = $$$$$$$$$$$$
cash money
real talk
JimiMak
11/30/07 12:55:31AM
I think Machida should be a favorite and Sok being even is just cuz of all the money lost on him already. Machida, if he doesn't dominate and kill (dec or ko) will at least test Sok's stamina and chin. That hasn't happened to him yet. And Machida still needs a ko to really progress as far as he should. so this is a test for both guys. My pred is that Machida will win (dec is safe bet but I'd like to see a ko). Sok has the same punchers chance as he always has, but even isn't nearly the bet that +1350 was.
I think SP isn't worth the bet and Matt is. At even I'd barely pich Georges. Can't see the odds going that big after the 2 fights (some are acting like the last one is the only one).
I think SP isn't worth the bet and Matt is. At even I'd barely pich Georges. Can't see the odds going that big after the 2 fights (some are acting like the last one is the only one).
ufcboss
11/30/07 2:37:55AM
Waste all your cash on Hughes if you want, He should not win, 2 times in a row GSP has beat him up. Watch the war of '04, And look how happy Hughes is when he won, Because he couldn't believe his luck. GSP was still looking up to him then, @ 65 it was a similar fight exept GSP did not get lucky, He put that leg where he wanted.
GSP by 2nd Round TKO, Right hook to drop him, Elbow's for the TKO. That will come after the spinning back kick.
Reguardless on who win's, I want to see Serra come to the octagon and shake their hand and thank them for stepping up.
GSP by 2nd Round TKO, Right hook to drop him, Elbow's for the TKO. That will come after the spinning back kick.
Reguardless on who win's, I want to see Serra come to the octagon and shake their hand and thank them for stepping up.
seanfu
12/2/07 2:17:48AM
Stpierre will dominate if he's mentally stable for the fight.
As far as Chuck amd Wanderboy go It's as simple as this.
Wanderlei is used to his opponents running from him. He has the intimidationan factor which is not present here. When he lands his opponents fall, Chuck has the best chin pound for pound in the UFC, maybe the sport. Wanderlei is not used to fighting in the cage after having so many fights for so long in Pride. It comes down to...
he fires and Chuck eats and returns harder fire. Wanderlei is going to be surprised and probably fall in round 2 or 3 whether there is a finisher or not.
The only way Wanderlei can win is by volume firing shots with speed precision and explosive power that will catch Chuck off guard.
My thoughts are Machida decision or late knockout
Liddell by mid to late knockout
GSP by late knockout or lopsided decision(granted Hughes doesn't score a lucky shot to the takedown early on)
I'm carrying two underdogs.
As far as Chuck amd Wanderboy go It's as simple as this.
Wanderlei is used to his opponents running from him. He has the intimidationan factor which is not present here. When he lands his opponents fall, Chuck has the best chin pound for pound in the UFC, maybe the sport. Wanderlei is not used to fighting in the cage after having so many fights for so long in Pride. It comes down to...
he fires and Chuck eats and returns harder fire. Wanderlei is going to be surprised and probably fall in round 2 or 3 whether there is a finisher or not.
The only way Wanderlei can win is by volume firing shots with speed precision and explosive power that will catch Chuck off guard.
My thoughts are Machida decision or late knockout
Liddell by mid to late knockout
GSP by late knockout or lopsided decision(granted Hughes doesn't score a lucky shot to the takedown early on)
I'm carrying two underdogs.