Posted by juanez13
Posted by cmill21
It's because they ask the guy if they want to give up, they don't take it away from them I suppose you could say. The way of the warrior and all that. Whenever the ref has his hand out and is pointing at the guy he's asking if he wants out, if he doesn't tap or say yeah the ref lets it go until he gets into a real bad position lol.
True, and in my opinion that Refs in the UFC stop everything way too soon, and i mean everything....if it was sakara/leben in pride/ Dream, i bet sakara wouldntbe complaining about the stoppage.
I wouldn't say they stop everything too soon, but I think your point is legitimate.I think it has more to do with Japanese culture as Cmill mentioined. A safe middle ground between some Japanese refs and the other refs would make more sense to me. Of course it's really a ref-to-ref thing in some cases. I think some fights that are stopped to early , would have needed to be stopped 5 seconds later, if the ref just let it go. Still, even though it looks obvious ,we will never know for sure. These days I think Herb Dean would stop the Hughes/Trigg 2 fight too fast, even though Yamasaki didn't. I am not a Yamasaki fan ,because I beleive Hughes was mostly in trouble becuase he missed the nutt shot Trigg landed. There are only 2 fights where I feel a ref was really negligent .Yoshida /Thompson is one. When a ref drags a semi-conscious guy to the middle of the ring, because he can't make it himself , he should be criminally negligible IMO. Also Sakuraba, as much as I will always love his heart & he will be a legend forever to me, needs to retire IMO. In K-1 I thought Smirnovas was going to kill him, and if it weren't for a bad ref decision giving him a break it might have happened. He came back to win, but I think it only becuase the ref gave him a break. I' d rather Smirnovas get screwed then Saku die though. Japanese samurai code or not, i don't think anyone should die in the ring. Saku has said he wants to , and fear it could happen. I don't think it's really a Dream ref thing , so much as it is a Japanese cultural thing. Stil,l a lot of other refs go the other way and are too jumpy stopping fights for me. Moderation in most things is the best course, and I think that safe middle ground is still not a regular occurrence in MMA.