Despite retirement talk, Strikeforce's Fedor Emelianenko could be top grand-prix alternate

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grappler0000
2/13/11 9:52:15AM
Although the MMA legend hinted at retirement following a second-round TKO loss to Antonio Silva, Fedor Emelianenko's fighting career may not be over.

Both Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker and Emelianenko's agent, M-1 Global president Vadim Finkelchtein, want the 34-year-old to continue.

And Coker could dangle an intriguing opportunity should Emelianenko wish to continue fighting: first dibs on any alternate spots that open in the Strikeforce heavyweight grand prix.

Emelianenko (31-3 MMA, 1-2 SF) and Silva (16-2 MMA, 3-1 SF) headlined Saturday's Showtime-televised "Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Silva" event at the IZOD Center in East Rutherford, N.J. After a close first round, Silva unloaded a brutal ground-and-pound assault in the second. With the Russian's right eye swollen shut, the cageside physician halted the bout after before the start of the third round, which resulted in Emelianenko's second consecutive defeat since a legendary decade-long win streak.

The bout was part of the opening round of Strikeforce's eight-man, season-long heavyweight tournament. And though three tourney-reserve bouts populated Saturday's main card, any available alternate spots instead could go to Emelianenko.

"There's absolutely a possibility he could be a replacement," Coker told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) after the show. "That's the beauty of the tournament. You don't know what could happen in the next leg of the tournament. As this tournament unwinds over the year, there could be an injury, and you could see Fedor back in the tournament."

Decisions about injury replacements ultimately will be made by a Strikeforce committee, as Coker previously announced. And though Shane Del Rosario, Chad Griggs and Valentijn Overeem all won reserve bouts at Saturday's show, Emelianenko could cut to the front of the line.

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thepitbull00
2/13/11 11:51:42AM
What's the point of having alternate bouts if your just going to give their spot to a guy that lost in the first round? I want to see Fedor fight as much as anybody but it's not fair to the guys that earned their spot as the alternate.
BigIP
2/13/11 11:54:08AM
Fedor should drop to LHW. The size advantage was the determining factor. BigFoot is just a massive version of Big Nog. I knew Fedor would have trouble with him. Such a shame since he's one of my favorite fighters. Another favorite fighter BJ will likely lose next week for the same reasons. Not going to be a happy month for me...
BigIP
2/13/11 11:57:01AM

Posted by thepitbull00

What's the point of having alternate bouts if your just going to give their spot to a guy that lost in the first round? I want to see Fedor fight as much as anybody but it's not fair to the guys that earned their spot as the alternate.



I see your point but those other guys did not have to fight Bigfoot to earn their spot and Fedor lost because of a doctor stoppage not as convincing as Kharitov's KO of AA.
SmileR
2/13/11 12:14:28PM
This whole interview is basically Coker saying "I have no idea what I'm doing".
How can an guy that has just lost be re-entered into the tournament when he's already got alternatives that are fighting for places incase someone drops out?!

machodog76
2/13/11 12:30:53PM
I'm a Huge Fedor fan, But that is BS, It's not a tournament if you overlook the Alternates who won for a guy who had his chance and lost. Hopefully there are no injuries and none of this matters.
Aether
2/13/11 12:52:37PM

Posted by SmileR

This whole interview is basically Coker saying "I have no idea what I'm doing".
How can an guy that has just lost be re-entered into the tournament when he's already got alternatives that are fighting for places incase someone drops out?!




It's more like him saying "Oh ****, I spent a lot of money on this guy and I am really getting royally ******, how can I possibly get my money's worth out of him!?"



I love Fedor, but man he must be Coker's worst nightmare after all of the hassle, for him to lose the first 2 fights of his career consecutively to fighters who were expected to roll over and die for him. LOL man Coker must be in a world of hurt and Dana must be overwhelmed with joy.
Franklinfan47
2/13/11 1:01:17PM
I hope Fedor will give it atleast one more go before calling it quits, whether its in the tourney or otherwise. That said, he's had a long career and earned the right to step down.
tcunningham
2/13/11 1:08:25PM
other than arlovski, fedor shouldn't be fighting any other fighter in the tournament. he's out classed. if he would have fought overeem, kharitonov, or barnett i dont think he would have made it out of the 1st round before getting smashed. its time to hang em' up fedor. i cant wait till april, i dislike werdum, and i cant wait to see overeem give him the ubber-knee. i would love to see overeem vs barnett or even vs kharitonov in the finals
SmileR
2/13/11 1:21:46PM

Posted by Aether


Posted by SmileR

This whole interview is basically Coker saying "I have no idea what I'm doing".
How can an guy that has just lost be re-entered into the tournament when he's already got alternatives that are fighting for places incase someone drops out?!




It's more like him saying "Oh ****, I spent a lot of money on this guy and I am really getting royally ******, how can I possibly get my money's worth out of him!?"



I love Fedor, but man he must be Coker's worst nightmare after all of the hassle, for him to lose the first 2 fights of his career consecutively to fighters who were expected to roll over and die for him. LOL man Coker must be in a world of hurt and Dana must be overwhelmed with joy.



I'm betting Coker believes in the M1 curse now! Dana's twitter exploded when Fedor lost!
BigIP
2/13/11 1:42:23PM
I wonder if his trainer was right after all. Remember what he said after the AA win?

“If he wants to keep winning, he can’t be spending too much time on these commercials and these movies,” complained Voronoz. “Afterwards, after the win. For a fighter, the most important thing is work, work, work. Fedor wants to keep winning, and keep winning well. He needs to train professionally.”

“The fact that Fedor won, don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy. But he won this fight because of the work he did before training that he did before this fight, because of the experience he had before this fight.”

“Right now, he won with his old baggage, with his old tricks,” he said. “We did everything we can to get him ready for this fight. But for these title fights, for these dangerous fights, we can’t train the way we trained for this fight.”
emfleek
2/13/11 1:57:51PM
This is just Coker refusing to let go of his cash cow's utters.
FastKnockout
2/13/11 2:36:18PM
This just shows that Strikeforce was relying very heavily on Fedor winning the whole tournament, or at least making it to the finals. He was the biggest draw, and now that he's lost in the first round they need to find a backup plan that could possibly give the chance of throwing him back in the mix, which I don't agree with. If they are going to give him a spot just to keep him away from retirement, what is the point of having back up fighters that will substitute for injured participants? It just takes away the valid reason for it. I love Fedor, and I'd love to see him give it one more go, but not while taking a great chance away from the back up fighters. I mean, look at Griggs last night. He poured his heart out and gave it everything he had. It wouldn't be right to just throw his chance out the door to get a bigger pay day out of Fedor.
prozacnation1978
2/13/11 3:35:22PM
You can't change the rules if your boy loses

Haven't seen it yet will when I get home from work
But those alternates are there for a reason.
Del rosario deserves to bang with the big boys
king_katool
2/13/11 3:45:08PM
You can keep fedor out of the tourny and still get a good fight for him, loser of overeem/werdum vs fedor is a good match up, putting fedor back in the tourny makes it a joke
finnish_line
2/13/11 3:49:01PM

I have a feeling that if Silva lost to Fedor the exact same way he wouldn't be the #1 alternate.


icantthinkofanything
2/13/11 4:24:01PM
Have Fedor vs AA or Lavar to earn his way back in as a wild card.


I would like to see Fedor training at a top camp in the USA perhaps. If he made some simple improvements like mixing it up, and if he tried to get bigger, by putting more muscle on and training with other good fighters, he wold have so much more potentital in my opinion. He should be in his prime now.

I would still say , put Fedor in the UFC


he can fight Struve, Mitrione, Kongo, Mir, Nog, CC
lots of fun matchups for an entertaining fighter like Fedor
Fedor vs Randy!
pmoney
2/13/11 5:39:53PM
Keep Fedor out of the tournament. I have tons of respect for The Last Emperor, but he doesn't deserve to go back in there.

I would love to see him train and get in good with a top camp, like AKA or Jackson MMA or really any prominent, high level team. I would love to see him get back to his winning ways.

But really, what's the point? He has done more in this sport than anyone can fathom. I think the only achievement that rivals Fedor's dominance in the 2000's is Silva's run in the UFC. But that's about it. Walking away right now would be no shame at all. He owes us nothing.

He's not going to go undefeated for another decade. And yeah, it would be nice to see him make 205 and destroy people like he used to, but what's the point? In my opinion, Fedor himself will never be able to match what he already accomplished in this sport, and I don't know if anyone else will.
BlueSkiesBurn
2/13/11 6:08:27PM
If Coker really wanted Fedor in the finals this was a match-up he NEVER should have made. As a matter of fact, the whole left side of this brackett is heavily weighted. Bigfoot-Fedor was a pretty easy match to call.

In my opinion Bigfoot isn't a great fighter. He's average with great BJJ. His striking is rather mediocre and his ground and pound, wow, I don't even know what the hell to call that. It sort of reminded me of those cartoons we watched as children where the bully would put his hand on top of a kids head and keep him at a distance while he swung wildly and missed because he was much smaller. Except the opposite.

You just can't do anything when you have a 285 BJJ blackbelt on top of you. It's like Jacare with Lesnar's size. I mean for god's sake, Silva laughed and shook his head and finger when Fedor was trying for the heel hook. I knew, right then, Fedor was going to lose this fight.

To the point of this thread, though. Fedor should not, in any way, barring every single alternate going down with an injury, be a replacement. Silva hammered his eye shut and Fedor didn't look overly impressive in his performance. Coker cannot continue to make exceptions just because he is "Fedor." That stunts the growth and possibilities with the other talent he's trying to promote.
BigBadAl
2/13/11 6:41:15PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

If Coker really wanted Fedor in the finals this was a match-up he NEVER should have made. As a matter of fact, the whole left side of this brackett is heavily weighted. Bigfoot-Fedor was a pretty easy match to call.

In my opinion Bigfoot isn't a great fighter. He's average with great BJJ. His striking is rather mediocre and his ground and pound, wow, I don't even know what the hell to call that. It sort of reminded me of those cartoons we watched as children where the bully would put his hand on top of a kids head and keep him at a distance while he swung wildly and missed because he was much smaller. Except the opposite.

You just can't do anything when you have a 285 BJJ blackbelt on top of you. It's like Jacare with Lesnar's size. I mean for god's sake, Silva laughed and shook his head and finger when Fedor was trying for the heel hook. I knew, right then, Fedor was going to lose this fight.

To the point of this thread, though. Fedor should not, in any way, barring every single alternate going down with an injury, be a replacement. Silva hammered his eye shut and Fedor didn't look overly impressive in his performance. Coker cannot continue to make exceptions just because he is "Fedor." That stunts the growth and possibilities with the other talent he's trying to promote. [/QUOTE

Mmmmm, that average chap Silva with cartoon ground and pound just beat Fedor Emelianenko with cartoon ground and pound

Jacare/Lesnar is a bit of an over exageration too.
bjj1605
2/13/11 6:45:40PM
He didn't look bad in the fight. he can probably still beat a lot of HW's. If he got serious and trained with a top camp he could probably be the number 1 HW again. He's got all the skill you could ever ask for.

He could also probably drop to 205 and be a terror there.

What it all comes down to is if he still has the will for this. Thats the question with most older fighters, but with Fedor its especially true. What could he possibly want to accomplish after the career he's had? The only reasonable move would be coming to the UFC. Just get the UFC belt and retire. There's nothing for him in strikeforce.
BlueSkiesBurn
2/13/11 6:52:33PM

Posted by BigBadAl
Mmmmm, that average chap Silva with cartoon ground and pound just beat Fedor Emelianenko with cartoon ground and pound

Jacare/Lesnar is a bit of an over exageration too.



Bigfoot with Jacare's credentials may have been an over exaggeration, but how was Lesnar an over exaggeration? Silva is 6'4 285. I never said that he had Lesnar's abilities in the wrestling department, I meant size-wise.

Just because Silva beat Fedor does not mean he's a GREAT MMA fighter. His striking needs a lot of improvement. His head movement needs improvement. His clinchwork needs vast improvement. At his size, he should have been able to do a lot more when he had Fedor up against the cage.

Also, I didn't say it was cartoon ground and pound, it was highly effective in the sense that it landed, but it definitely wasn't technical and won't work every time. Fedor gave up 55 pounds to a man with a certified BJJ black belt. When a man that size & with those credentials lands in mount, you're not getting up. That doesn't mean he looked good doing it.
warglory
2/13/11 7:05:31PM

Posted by BlueSkiesBurn

If Coker really wanted Fedor in the finals this was a match-up he NEVER should have made. As a matter of fact, the whole left side of this brackett is heavily weighted. Bigfoot-Fedor was a pretty easy match to call.

In my opinion Bigfoot isn't a great fighter. He's average with great BJJ. His striking is rather mediocre and his ground and pound, wow, I don't even know what the hell to call that. It sort of reminded me of those cartoons we watched as children where the bully would put his hand on top of a kids head and keep him at a distance while he swung wildly and missed because he was much smaller. Except the opposite.

You just can't do anything when you have a 285 BJJ blackbelt on top of you. It's like Jacare with Lesnar's size. I mean for god's sake, Silva laughed and shook his head and finger when Fedor was trying for the heel hook. I knew, right then, Fedor was going to lose this fight.

To the point of this thread, though. Fedor should not, in any way, barring every single alternate going down with an injury, be a replacement. Silva hammered his eye shut and Fedor didn't look overly impressive in his performance. Coker cannot continue to make exceptions just because he is "Fedor." That stunts the growth and possibilities with the other talent he's trying to promote.



Sorry brother, gotta spread the props, but this is exactly my mentality.
RearNakedJoke
2/13/11 7:46:09PM
he looked pretty badly injured after the fight i really cant see him being healthy enough to be an alternate. I think AA put up the better fight. he could have been winning that round but his paper chin got in the way. Fedor lost round one (tho it was close imo) and was completely dominated in the second.

besides wasnt that Del Rasario guy supposed to be the alternate? they are just pulling a Kimbo on TUF move to keep people watching.
BlueSkiesBurn
2/13/11 11:05:30PM

Posted by RearNakedJoke

Fedor lost round one (tho it was close imo) and was completely dominated in the second.



Wrong. Fedor won round one. Judges had it 10-9, 10-9, 9-10. They said this after the fight.
Aether
2/14/11 8:49:03AM
Yeah I'm kind of surprised that even 1 judge gave it to Bigfoot. Let's be honest, Fedor landed way, way more shots and whenever Bigfoot was in control he pretty much just pressed Fedor against the cage.

It would've been interesting to see what the score would be like if the fight wasn't stopped and Fedor managed to win round 3. I think it would've ended up being a draw, because only 1 judge scored the second round 10-8, meaning the scores going into round 3 would've been 19-19, 18-19, and 18-20.

So even if Fedor took round 3, unless he got a finish the best he was looking at was a draw, winning round 3 would've put the scores to 29-28, 28-28, and 28-29. That would've been a real interesting outcome for a tournament bout.
finnish_line
2/14/11 9:18:53AM

Posted by icantthinkofanything

I would still say , put Fedor in the UFC

he can fight Struve, Mitrione, Kongo, Mir, Nog, CC
lots of fun matchups for an entertaining fighter like Fedor
Fedor vs Randy!




If he's willing to take Kongo money, then fine.

Five million a fight is (and was) WAY too much compared to what the top stars make, and co-promoting with M1 was a joke of an idea.

grappler0000
2/14/11 11:21:33AM

Posted by Aether

Yeah I'm kind of surprised that even 1 judge gave it to Bigfoot. Let's be honest, Fedor landed way, way more shots and whenever Bigfoot was in control he pretty much just pressed Fedor against the cage.

It would've been interesting to see what the score would be like if the fight wasn't stopped and Fedor managed to win round 3. I think it would've ended up being a draw, because only 1 judge scored the second round 10-8, meaning the scores going into round 3 would've been 19-19, 18-19, and 18-20.

So even if Fedor took round 3, unless he got a finish the best he was looking at was a draw, winning round 3 would've put the scores to 29-28, 28-28, and 28-29. That would've been a real interesting outcome for a tournament bout.



I think you're forgetting one thing though...it depends on which judge scored the round for Silva in the first and which judge gave the 10-8 in the second. I don't believe they ever distinguished that. The scores could have been 19-19, 18-19, and 18-20...but if the same judge that gave Silva round one also gave him a 10-8 in round 2, the scores would be 19-19, 19-19, and 17-20. With those scores, Fedor would just need to win on the cards of those first 2 judges in round 3 to pull off the victory.
Pookie
2/14/11 11:40:20AM
Fedor's contract is to fight in the tournament, and after the tournament his contract is over.

Putting him in as an alternate is the only way to get him another fight without re-negotiating with M-1.
machodog76
2/14/11 1:58:18PM
Strikefrorce seems to be putting a lot of Money into a fighter that is past his prime and largely unknown in the US.
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