Posted by StevenSeagal
Hey guys. As you can tell I like writing about politics, so Its time for a new topic. The last topic about "smelling what Barack is cooking" went very well, and we were able to discuss things without childish insults. So with that being said, Id like to get input on the VP debate last night...
Overall, I didn't think Palin did that bad. Im still a liberal, so obviously im going with Biden. The thing I always notice in these debates is that why both parties spin statements and voting records, Democrats at least spin FACTS to make the other look bad. Republicans tend to just make up stuff to spin... There were a couple of topics where Biden or Obama never said or voted the way Palin described. Now when Biden throws a jab, its at least a spin off of the truth, not a complete fabrication lol. Both forms of debate, make no progress to inform the voter of facts.
What should be done is almost have a damn fact sheet of what they voted for and why, and explain from there. Present the facts of both parties records and let the people choose; the way our corrupt system is supposed to go...
That is hilarious. Yes its a novel idea both spin. Yes they both sidestep questions. However claiming democrats as the party of facts because Biden was spouting numbers all night is ludicrous. You don't even know if the numbers are real. Some I know for certain were outright misrepresentations, and that was without doing a bunch of digging. You start these threads as if you really want everyones opinions, when all your are doing is schilling for Obama /Biden. Whats the point? I can tell you 10 good/bad things about either side, and all you do is spew pro Obama/ anti McCain redorick. Since you never take the time to even look into what is being claimed as a fact by
- " truth telling liberals" let me do it for you. Heres a couple of easily proven Biden lies. There own voting records, and words will convict them on these. You shouldn't have trouble looking it up.
1. Biden's False Defense
Biden denied that Obama supported increasing taxes for families making $42,000 a year – but then falsely claimed that McCain had cast an identical vote.
Biden: Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way. It was a budget procedural vote. John McCain voted the same way. It did not raise taxes. joe
Biden was correct only to the extent that the resolution Obama supported would not by itself have increased taxes; it was a vote on a budget resolution that set revenue and spending targets. But he's wrong to say McCain voted the same way. The Obama campaign attempted to justify Biden's remark by pointing to a different vote, on a Senate amendment, that took place March 13. The amendment passed 99-1, with only Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold dissenting. It would have preserved some of Bush's tax cuts for lower-income people. The vote on the budget resolution in question, however, came in the wee hours of March 14 and was a mostly party-line tally, 51-44, with Obama in favor and McCain not voting.
Absolutely a bald faced lie. yet i heard it being talked about later at a coffee shop , by people who were scared by it. My head almost exploded but instead I informed them they were wrong, And told not to believe me, but look into it FOR THEMSELVES. Wow , novel idea, actually check something before parroting it to the masses as truth.
2. Biden claimed that McCain said in a magazine article that he wanted to deregulate the health care industry as the banking industry had been. That’s taking McCain’s words out of context.He was talking specifically about his proposal to allow the sale of health insurance across state lines.
3. Biden said five times that McCain's tax plan would give oil companies a "$4 billion tax cut." If you ever bothered to actually check you would know , McCain’s plan would cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent — for ALL corporations, not just oil companies. Biden uses a Democratic think tank's estimate for what the rate change is worth to the five largest U.S. oil companies, and then spit sout the misrepresentation.
I could go on for hours, and Palin had her fair share of crap too, but come on man, why should I bother? You don't care. Your not here to actually talk about the debate, truth, justice, whats best for America, character, and especially" facts" Your just there to shill for Obama and Biden. Be a liberal and vote for them , thats fine man .You are entitled to your opinion, but stop spinning lies here, or just don't post. I am a conservative, and I will probably vote for McCain just becuase I am afraid of what Obama and Biden would do. I think they will make the Bush administrations spending plans look like Ebenezer Scrooge was at the helm, but we will see. I m also afraid McCains maverick ways will see him overthrown( or killed ala JFK) by his own party. That doesn''t mean I think McCain is the be-all-end-all good guy. It means I think he will buck the status quo of a lot of really powerful people who are not used to being thwarted. Then again the way he's compromising now to get elected like ll the other politicians I have lost respect for , he will probably just buckle like the rest. The only hope of true change I have from any candidate fiscally, is that McCain will at lest call people out for there spending. I beleive that would make a lot of difference in America over the long run. On Social issues I am definitely a conservative. If you are a social liberal, and thats more important to you vote on that. Still, i am under no ridiculous false representations that only liberals lie, conservatives just quote facts. Their are only a few possibilities based on what i have seen of your political posts as to why you do them. You are either naive, a shill to whom truth is irrelevant, or a mindless drone parroting whatever the democratic party tells you. I'm going to just hope for naiveté, but stop wasting everyones time lying and spinning, and for petes sake investigate before you type.