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DCRage
10/27/09 2:37:30PM
Yours truly, Lyoto Machida. That's one of the things he said in a Sherdog.com interview: "The American commentators were pretty much biased. If you see the fight without audio, you will probably see a different fight." In other words, he says that Mike Goldberg & Joe Rogan basically were too pro-Rua, among other things.

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george112
10/27/09 2:43:45PM
while i do think rogan and goldberg were overly biased.i dont think watching with no audio will change peoples minds about who won the fight.

like somebody has said before.there is no commentating for the live crowd that was there.they all were chanting machida at the beginning but he got booed by the whole place when the decision was read.thus the whole "different fight without audio" theory doesnt make sense to me
emfleek
10/27/09 2:48:04PM
I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.
submissionartist1
10/27/09 3:02:05PM
Dear Lyoto ,

YOUR THE MAN!

FROM,
everyone here at mmaplayground!!

lol
Gogoplatapus
10/27/09 3:07:18PM
It's weird that the decision got booed at the Staple Center. If you've ever been to a event, you know that the crowd does not hear the commentating. I wonder why they thought Shogun won that fight?
SmileR
10/27/09 3:08:53PM
I thought it was a close fight and regardless of the commentary thought Rua should have got the not but I'm not really that bothered by the decision. It just proves MMA needs its own scoring system.
McBee
10/27/09 3:15:18PM

Posted by SmileR

I thought it was a close fight and regardless of the commentary thought Rua should have got the not but I'm not really that bothered by the decision. It just proves MMA needs its own scoring system.



exactly, it seems like scoring is too open to subjective opinions of how each round went you could really see how the early rounds could have gone either way and I think it was in the fourth round when the flurry at the end of the round could have won the fight for Machida. If we were doing Japanese rules and judging the fight as a whole it may have gone to Shogun, but like always never leave it in the judges hands and you do not have to worry about it.
bryan_schultz
10/27/09 3:20:09PM
Joe Rogan clearly had money riding on Rua. MG is just useless anyway.

I think the fight was close, but that Rua was the victor.
McBee
10/27/09 3:22:44PM
I think Machida is awesome but at the end I was thinking of the possibility of a Rua vs Anderson fight so I was half disappointed when Machida won
Pskinner_mma314
10/27/09 3:28:21PM

Posted by bryan_schultz

Joe Rogan clearly had money riding on Rua. MG is just useless anyway.

I think the fight was close, but that Rua was the victor.



agreed, i think they should find a replacement for Golberg, he gets corrected way too much and it makes him look like he doesnt know what hes talking about.

as far as biased commentating, people love rooting for the underdog, this was basically the "lets see if machidas got it fight". unless u've been on top for awhile, i've noticed the commentating usually favors the underdog/challenger.
McBee
10/27/09 3:34:03PM

Posted by Pskinner_mma314


Posted by bryan_schultz

Joe Rogan clearly had money riding on Rua. MG is just useless anyway.

I think the fight was close, but that Rua was the victor.



agreed, i think they should find a replacement for Golberg, he gets corrected way too much and it makes him look like he doesnt know what hes talking about.

as far as biased commentating, people love rooting for the underdog, this was basically the "lets see if machidas got it fight". unless u've been on top for awhile, i've noticed the commentating usually favors the underdog/challenger.



Goldberg might not be all there all the time but he is an icon of the UFC and probably helps out all the drunks to understand what is going on. Besides it is way too fun telling him to shut up in my living room to ever think of replacing him.

What they should try to do is get Jim Brown back to show us the affects of multiple concussions
mrsmiley
10/27/09 3:49:28PM

Posted by Gogoplatapus

It's weird that the decision got booed at the Staple Center. If you've ever been to a event, you know that the crowd does not hear the commentating. I wonder why they thought Shogun won that fight?



No kidding.
Were I was watching I couldn't even hear the audio and still thought Shogun won.

I guess all the people at the staples center could somehow hear the commentary accoring to Mr.Machida
RyanC
10/27/09 3:59:52PM

Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.



I was in a similar situation. I couldn't hear a thing, and I still thought Shogun won. So did the other guys I was with. I would consider everyone I watched the fight with to be educated fans, so I respect their opinions.

The Machida fanboys next to us were EXTATIC with the decision.

It was a close fight. I still think the decision was atrocious, but it is what it is.

That all being said I'm done with this. Everyone needs to move on, and look forward to the rematch. They aren't going to take the belt away. Hopefully Shogun can do it again, and prove to everyone he should've won the first time. If he can beat him in the rematch he will be an even more convincing champion.
Aether
10/27/09 4:33:56PM
Wow, I'm surprised at the things Machida is saying. I can absolutely understand the "I didn't judge the fight" comments, but coming out and saying "I was the superior fighter" and that the people who disagree with the decision were simply swayed by biased commentary come off as pretty arrogant and unnecessary to me.

If Nog starts talking like this, I think I'll be convinced that there's some kind of virus going around blackhouse. None of these guys have ever been anything but respectful, but Anderson and Lyoto seem to be changing in that respect lately.
Edwards
10/27/09 4:46:37PM
i've watched the fight in mute,slow motion and about 5or 6 times and i see it for shogun every time,ufc judging is based on rd by rd and thats how i judged and u dont have to beat the champ by ko or sub to win , all i ask is that u score all fights the same,ufc judging and japan judging shogun won the fight.i strongly believe that people jus cant except tht machida got beat at his own game and if shogun would ofcame in crazy like the old shogun he would of been ko,i thought he came up with a perfect game plan and won 4out of the 5 rds with the thrid being close.i thought it was a great chess match between two great standup fighters with that being said i will agree with the dude thats said its time to move on and look forward to the rematch,i also like to apoligize for a post i made yesterday about callin people fools and i like shogun 4th rd ko in the rematch
CwB
10/27/09 4:48:01PM

Posted by Aether

Wow, I'm surprised at the things Machida is saying. I can absolutely understand the "I didn't judge the fight" comments, but coming out and saying "I was the superior fighter" and that the people who disagree with the decision were simply swayed by biased commentary come off as pretty arrogant and unnecessary to me.

If Nog starts talking like this, I think I'll be convinced that there's some kind of virus going around blackhouse. None of these guys have ever been anything but respectful, but Anderson and Lyoto seem to be changing in that respect lately.



I think that every fighter must have confidence in his performance in such a close fight. IE: Jackson thought he won and Forrest thought he won
plus how many times have we seen fighters lose a decision and say he felt that he won the fight (so i excuse Machida for his comment, if he would of said somethin like: Fans who see it for Rua arnt real fans or are blind fans i would be mad)

Rogan= commentator for the knowledgeable fans (even if he is a nuthugger at times)
Goldie= commentator for the new and uniformed fans (plus Goldie makes me laugh so much when he has his "Goldie Moments"

I disagree with Machida, for reasons i have already mentioned in other threads, but i will admit that i am a huge fan of shoguns and my opinion may have been biased based on that.

But, like others have said, I accept and am ok with the DEC., Now hurry up and Rematch...

Just a Thought- will Dana give shogun a "rubber match" if he loses the next one and will Dana give Machida a true rubber match if he loses?
xdanish020
10/27/09 5:26:24PM
I thought the same thing and I only watched the fight live. If I watch it again, I am sure I would think the same...I might watch it on mute as well just to see the difference. I believe Shogun won the fight, but I also believe Rogan and Goldberg were hugging his nuts a little too tightly.
MaxOne
10/27/09 5:58:04PM
i've been telling all of my friends to watch it w/out audio since during the fight. It wasn't a one sided fight and rua wasn't the clear winner. It was a very close fight. the commentary and lyoto's style certainly work against him. I think rua probably should have won but it wasn't nearly as ridiculous as everyone is making it out to be.

It depends who really won the first round & the third round. Lyoto was landing shots through the whole fight that weren't being mentioned at all while almost every shot shogun landed was pointed out. The judges were their watching in person with amazing seats. It wasn't a decisive victory for anyone by any means.

I think the bisping/hamil decision was much more ridiculous.
prozacnation1978
10/27/09 6:15:08PM
i'll probably mute the dvd when i get it in january
D0wnUnd6e6r
10/27/09 6:19:19PM

Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent
EvenFlow
10/27/09 6:43:10PM

Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent



If you're really going to go there and say everyone else isnt making sense I have to think you havnt read much or you love Machida to much to really judge the fight. Explain how being outstruck round by round (and the whole fight) being brusing up, cut up and being the more winded and less aggressive fighter as the victor..... dont worry I'll wait...........................................

You're fine with the decision too? lol, one of the craziest things I've read about this fight on the playground....or anywhere else at that extent
McBee
10/27/09 6:50:50PM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent



If you're really going to go there and say everyone else isnt making sense I have to think you havnt read much or you love Machida to much to really judge the fight. Explain how being outstruck round by round (and the whole fight) being brusing up, cut up and being the more winded and less aggressive fighter as the victor..... dont worry I'll wait...........................................

You're fine with the decision too? lol, one of the craziest things I've read about this fight on the playground....or anywhere else at that extent



I just wish both of them threw more strikes in general, at the time I thought Shogun should have won, but by no means a clear cut winner, they both were WAY too cautious, everyone knew Anderson beat Thales but booed him out of the ring but I would like to see the amount of strikes he threw to both Machida and Shogun and I think it would be comparable. It should have been a draw and they both should have been told to try harder next time. I know Machida and Shogun were executing their gameplans but at some point you have to win a fight instead of not losing.

I hope they are pissed and comeback ready to kill in the rematch
bjj1605
10/27/09 6:51:57PM
I said this from the start. It was very biased commentary. I did lead people to think shogun won by more than he did. The fight was closer than people think (seriously rewatch it in slow mo or at least with out commentary if you haven't). Still, Shogun won arguably won 3 out of 5 rounds or possibly 4 out of 5. But this decision is not any where near the worst we've seen in MMA. Not even close.

This was a fairly evenly contested fight with no knock downs, take downs, submission attempts, or other near-fight-enders. The decision may have been the wrong won but I can't understand the amount of out cry behind this.

Josh Neer vs Kurt Pelligrino(sp) and Jeff Curran vs Takeya Mizugaki highlight the problems with MMA judging better than this fight. The main problem with judging in MMA is that you can't win a decision from your back and you definitely need to be able to.
EvenFlow
10/27/09 7:00:25PM

Posted by McBee


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent



If you're really going to go there and say everyone else isnt making sense I have to think you havnt read much or you love Machida to much to really judge the fight. Explain how being outstruck round by round (and the whole fight) being brusing up, cut up and being the more winded and less aggressive fighter as the victor..... dont worry I'll wait...........................................

You're fine with the decision too? lol, one of the craziest things I've read about this fight on the playground....or anywhere else at that extent



I just wish both of them threw more strikes in general, at the time I thought Shogun should have won, but by no means a clear cut winner, they both were WAY too cautious, everyone knew Anderson beat Thales but booed him out of the ring but I would like to see the amount of strikes he threw to both Machida and Shogun and I think it would be comparable. It should have been a draw and they both should have been told to try harder next time. I know Machida and Shogun were executing their gameplans but at some point you have to win a fight instead of not losing.

I hope they are pissed and comeback ready to kill in the rematch



No means a clear winner? lol wow, I stopped right there. He won every round the way Machida wins rounds, outpointing, some people will argue what round they think Machida won but it never makes sense because he was outstruck EVERY ROUND, do you want the fight metric round by round? or did you blatantly ignore what I said earlier?
McBee
10/27/09 7:04:10PM

Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by McBee


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent



If you're really going to go there and say everyone else isnt making sense I have to think you havnt read much or you love Machida to much to really judge the fight. Explain how being outstruck round by round (and the whole fight) being brusing up, cut up and being the more winded and less aggressive fighter as the victor..... dont worry I'll wait...........................................

You're fine with the decision too? lol, one of the craziest things I've read about this fight on the playground....or anywhere else at that extent



I just wish both of them threw more strikes in general, at the time I thought Shogun should have won, but by no means a clear cut winner, they both were WAY too cautious, everyone knew Anderson beat Thales but booed him out of the ring but I would like to see the amount of strikes he threw to both Machida and Shogun and I think it would be comparable. It should have been a draw and they both should have been told to try harder next time. I know Machida and Shogun were executing their gameplans but at some point you have to win a fight instead of not losing.

I hope they are pissed and comeback ready to kill in the rematch



No means a clear winner? lol wow, I stopped right there. He won every round the way Machida wins rounds, outpointing, some people will argue what round they think Machida won but it never makes sense because he was outstruck EVERY ROUND, do you want the fight metric round by round? or did you blatantly ignore what I said earlier?



I am not saying that he did not marginally out strike him I just think it should have been a draw because neither of them did enough to win the fight, impossible to enforce or judge, it was more just a commentary on when neither fighter does anything of worth the judges can go either way.
Giant_Ochai
10/27/09 7:13:15PM
I think Shogun won and somehow I must be a Machida hater?
EvenFlow
10/27/09 7:40:23PM

Posted by McBee


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by McBee


Posted by EvenFlow


Posted by D0wnUnd6e6r


Posted by emfleek

I was in a bar and it was about impossible to hear commentary due to noise. That being said...the whole bar was upset.

Of course, the vast majority of them were Chads and couldn't tell you the difference between a rear naked choke and a triangle, so I wouldn't exactly take their word for it when it comes to judging.

I'm fine with the decision and will now look forward to a rematch.



One of the only bits of sense i read about this fight on the playground, or anywhere else at that extent



If you're really going to go there and say everyone else isnt making sense I have to think you havnt read much or you love Machida to much to really judge the fight. Explain how being outstruck round by round (and the whole fight) being brusing up, cut up and being the more winded and less aggressive fighter as the victor..... dont worry I'll wait...........................................

You're fine with the decision too? lol, one of the craziest things I've read about this fight on the playground....or anywhere else at that extent



I just wish both of them threw more strikes in general, at the time I thought Shogun should have won, but by no means a clear cut winner, they both were WAY too cautious, everyone knew Anderson beat Thales but booed him out of the ring but I would like to see the amount of strikes he threw to both Machida and Shogun and I think it would be comparable. It should have been a draw and they both should have been told to try harder next time. I know Machida and Shogun were executing their gameplans but at some point you have to win a fight instead of not losing.

I hope they are pissed and comeback ready to kill in the rematch



No means a clear winner? lol wow, I stopped right there. He won every round the way Machida wins rounds, outpointing, some people will argue what round they think Machida won but it never makes sense because he was outstruck EVERY ROUND, do you want the fight metric round by round? or did you blatantly ignore what I said earlier?



I am not saying that he did not marginally out strike him I just think it should have been a draw because neither of them did enough to win the fight, impossible to enforce or judge, it was more just a commentary on when neither fighter does anything of worth the judges can go either way.



It wasn't marginal but I'm going to agree to disagree so this dosnt get heated.
MisterFreeze
10/27/09 7:49:25PM
I know I am going to take a hazing for this, but I truly believe Machida won the fight!
CwB
10/27/09 9:19:21PM

Posted by MisterFreeze

I know I am going to take a hazing for this, but I truly believe Machida won the fight!



The day of or day after the fight you would have been thoroughly hazed, but the initial fury and outrage has subsided.
Afflicted
10/27/09 9:49:07PM
Even flow is so obviously biased. Dude get over it. It was not that one sided. I think Shogun should have won, but you can certainly make a case for either fighter. The good thing is they are going to fight again, and if Shogun is really that much better than Machida he will win no problem right?
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