Dana White is unhappy with Steve Mazzagatti

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Wolfenstein
12/28/08 9:14:21PM
And when Kongo was pounding out Mostapha Al-Turk, the Beirut native’s face quickly turned into a messy site, and yet the pounding continued. Dana White criticised Mazzagatti’s actions with the following statement.

“He’s a nice guy, but he’s not a referee,”

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breakdown5
12/28/08 9:18:07PM
Ouch. Little bit harsh I think. He'll always get points with me for his rockin' mazzstache.
ohiostate1016
12/28/08 9:22:51PM
Never been a fan of Mazzagatti. The fights are either stopped way too early or way too late. Maybe it's the fact that his eyes look almost swollen shut and he can barely see. When Al Turk was getting pounded out, he was probably saying to himself, "What's Royce Gracie doing fighting Cheick Kongo?...Now let's hook 'em up!"
cmill21
12/28/08 9:27:35PM
He's better then alot of the ref's out there.
The-Don
12/28/08 9:57:08PM

Posted by cmill21

He's better then alot of the ref's out there.



That's true. They need to get better training for all the refs in General... Not all are bad.. but they need to make things more consistent.
bojangalz
12/28/08 10:02:44PM

Posted by cmill21

He's better then alot of the ref's out there.



As long as he's rockin the 'stach. Maybe it's just me but I think most of his questionable calls have come when he's not sporting the mustach.
Jackelope
12/28/08 10:04:58PM
How can Dana throw out criticism of the 'stache now when Herb Dean had all those horrible calls just a little over a year ago? Mazzagatti is one of the better refs out there if you ask me.
ThePlague
12/28/08 10:49:22PM
I personally would have thrown out Miragliotta and Herb's names before calling out Mazzagatti if I were Dana. Plus, of course with fighter safety in mind, I think a certain amount of finality is important, as long as a fighter isn't being pounded on while unconscious.

There have been a lot of classic finishes that came from a fighter pulling himself from the brink of defeat at the last second. If you want to see a real late stoppage, check out James Thompson vs. Don Frye- that was brutal.
Jackelope
12/28/08 11:02:02PM
Very true. How could I forget to add Dan Miragliotta as one of the absolute worst refs. Hell, there was (still is?) a petition to get rid of his ass on several MMA sites.
xtra_chewy
12/29/08 12:00:33AM
Where's Big John? I thought he was a ref again???

Steve's not a bad ref, there are much worse....maybe the UFC should get that woman ref from the WEC?!?!
dannyfrank
12/29/08 12:02:16AM
WHAT CHOO TALKIN' 'BOUT DANA!?!?!


D0wnUnd6e6r
12/29/08 12:38:26AM
wait wait wait, if mazz goes, mirgliota or whatever his name is has to follow IMO
Kpro
12/29/08 1:04:08AM
I didn't think that was a bad stoppage. He took a lot of punishment but I didn't see him unintelligently defending himself until Mazzagatti stopped it. Unanswered punches yes, but not unintelligently defending.

Redefine your referee book if you want visible damage to end a fight rather than not intelligently defending yourself.

From seeing Dana over the years in inverviews, I see this is as 95%+ a political comment to the AC's, to show that he's not for stoppages that could be considered late. Smart move from a business standpoint while you're trying to get legalized as many places as possible; just unfortunate that Mazzagatti had to be the guy named.
Twenty20Dollars
12/29/08 2:20:00AM
Turk was defending pretty well I thought untill some of those elbows landed.


Mario is the only ref I like.
RearNakedJoke
12/29/08 2:51:32AM
agreed, Mario Yamazaki is the man.

and how cool is that name?

its tough being a ref. if you see a fighter taking unanswered shots and stop it people cry that you stopped it too early, Nog/Mir or shamrock/ortiz 2 for example. if they wait fighters can get injured. refs cant win.


The-Don
12/29/08 3:19:59AM

Posted by RearNakedJoke

agreed, Mario Yamazaki is the man.

and how cool is that name?

its tough being a ref. if you see a fighter taking unanswered shots and stop it people cry that you stopped it too early, Nog/Mir or shamrock/ortiz 2 for example. if they wait fighters can get injured. refs cant win.





Most seem to agree the Mir Nog fight was a good stoppage...
MikeyG
12/29/08 4:03:26AM
yves "somersault" lavinge is the best of all time, yamasaki and big john are tied for second

not a fan of maz or mirgio but they have made great calls where most refs would fail so props to them anyway its a tough job
Jackelope
12/29/08 8:03:32AM
Well in light of this new rumored news about Al-turk's extensive injuries it begins to make sense. Still, these things can happen.
scoozna
12/29/08 9:51:23AM

Posted by Kpro

I didn't think that was a bad stoppage. He took a lot of punishment but I didn't see him unintelligently defending himself until Mazzagatti stopped it. Unanswered punches yes, but not unintelligently defending.

Redefine your referee book if you want visible damage to end a fight rather than not intelligently defending yourself.

From seeing Dana over the years in inverviews, I see this is as 95%+ a political comment to the AC's, to show that he's not for stoppages that could be considered late. Smart move from a business standpoint while you're trying to get legalized as many places as possible; just unfortunate that Mazzagatti had to be the guy named.



I totally agree here...PLUS, the timeout to bring the fighters together to stop with the knees to groin was a classy move.

Also, I won't believe the rumors about damage to Al-turk's face until I read about it from a credible source.
BigTomZ
12/29/08 10:05:54AM
I don't know what anyone would be complaining about. All the stoppages were good.

In the case of Al-Turk, he had Check in his guard and was trying to grab him and pull him down to control his posture. That is intelligently defending. It was only when Al-Turk stopped doing that and started covering up that Mazzagatti had to stop the fight.

That is the same reason he gave for not stopping the Lesnar vs. Mir fight when Mir was in a little trouble. He believes that claiming guard and trying to control your opponents posture shows you are intelligently defending yourself and are therefore still in the fight. I agree with him on that.

When is Stever going to grow the Pornstache back?
ohiostate1016
12/29/08 10:15:45AM
Maybe it's just me, but isn't this kind of talk the reason that most people think that these refs are employed by the UFC?

They aren't, by the way. The refs are employed by the state athletic commission, and they can only ref where they are certified. Obviously most of the top refs are certified in Nevada, like most of the common UFC refs.

Dana really has no clout to talk here. The independent refs and judges - even if they ARE boxing judges - are what keep the UFC legit.
mrsmiley
12/29/08 12:30:26PM
I think,and bare in my mind i really don't know how they train the refs,but I believe maybe they should change the game plan up a bit.

The rashad and Kongo fight did go on too long imo,but I also believe the Nog Mir was stopped just a bit too early.
I then think about the BS fight were Anthony Johnson got poked in the eye,and how Brock lost a point in his bout with Mir.

I don't though,I mean the job has got to be tough to varying degrees.
Pyrenus
12/29/08 1:37:02PM
I thought the stoppage was fine. Dude could have always tapped if he was in that much trouble. He wasn't out and he was trying to defend himself. It got brutal, but that's part of the game. I don't see what the problem is.
higdon10
12/29/08 1:49:23PM
I'm a Herb Dean man myself
Sir_Karl
12/29/08 3:07:56PM
I think Steve is a great Ref, but everyone is human.
People make mistakes, people see things differently etc etc
Watching the fight live I was waiting for Steve to jump in....and he didn't.
In my opinion he waited to way too long to stop the fight.
Turk would have suffered far less damage, pain and injuries if Mazzagatti jumped in when he should have.
Now due to injuries he will have to wait a pretty long time before he will be medically cleared to fight....not to mention his athletic commission's medical suspension.
Everyone is human and we all make mistakes...but sometimes people's lives and livelihoods are at stake.
Mostapha paid for and will continue to pay for those mistakes.
GrandMaster313
12/29/08 9:03:19PM
You know my friends and I were questioning Mazzagatti's performance on Saturday night. There was a couple fights that he let go a little bit longer. I personally like the guy as a Ref because he tends to give the fighters a chance and the fan's a good show at the same time. If it was Herb Dean he would have stopped the fights early. But im not gonna get into the whole thing I have with Herb Dean. Maybe Mazzagatti wasn't on his "A" game that night but that's no reason for Dana to say what he said about him.
2hotty
12/30/08 4:35:38PM
Its pretty much all been said , but yeah it seems Steve gets in deep if he calls a fight to soon or to late. People are never going to be happy. He made good calls on Saturday & Dana well he's just ignorant. If anything they should be teaching the public about the rules more & how refs make their calls.
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